Frustrated......

[JsGenesis40]

Hi ...need some advice...seems im not the only one with the _derived/norbots.htm problem with form feedback...my web form problem is http://www.jbmtechnologies.com/contact/contact main.htm

my front page extension area is http://www.jbmtechnologies.com/_vti_inf.html

'FPVersion' identifies the version of the FrontPage Server Extensions
installed, and should not be changed.
--><!-- FrontPage Configuration Information
FPVersion="5.0.2.2623"
FPShtmlScriptUrl="_vti_bin/shtml.exe/_vti_rpc"
FPAuthorScriptUrl="_vti_bin/_vti_aut/author.exe"
FPAdminScriptUrl="_vti_bin/_vti_adm/admin.exe"
TPScriptUrl="_vti_bin/owssvr.exe"

The host is broadview net...I have been through the discussion boards, edited out the _derived/norbot like microsoft suggested..then i get a "can not "POST" alarm..been one of them days...the one gentleman about front page changing it back after editing is correct..it does change it back..i was able to edit a different way. Also, i tried putting the _derived/nortbot in the directory of my Contact directory as it seems not to want to go into the root.

Also, when i try to use FP to FTP..it says a web does not exist there..creat one? i say ok...<again frustrated> and then it says it cant....lol....<just shaking my head>

Any help available...

 

[Steve Easton]

The clue here is "FTP" you can *NOT* FTP a web to publish it if the web contains components that
require the FrontPage extensions, and forms are one of those components.

You *must* publish using http://www.jbmtechnologies.com or http://www.jbmtechnologies.com
as the "publish to" address.



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Hi ...need some advice...seems im not the only one with the _derived/norbots.htm problem with form

feedback...my web form problem is http://www.jbmtechnologies.com/contact/contact main.htm

my front page extension area is http://www.jbmtechnologies.com/_vti_inf.html

'FPVersion' identifies the version of the FrontPage Server Extensions
installed, and should not be changed.
--><!-- FrontPage Configuration Information
FPVersion="5.0.2.2623"
FPShtmlScriptUrl="_vti_bin/shtml.exe/_vti_rpc"
FPAuthorScriptUrl="_vti_bin/_vti_aut/author.exe"
FPAdminScriptUrl="_vti_bin/_vti_adm/admin.exe"
TPScriptUrl="_vti_bin/owssvr.exe"

The host is broadview net...I have been through the discussion boards, edited out the

_derived/norbot like microsoft suggested..then i get a "can not "POST" alarm..been one of them
days...the one gentleman about front page changing it back after editing is correct..it does change
it back..i was able to edit a different way. Also, i tried putting the _derived/nortbot in the
directory of my Contact directory as it seems not to want to go into the root.

 

[Steve Easton]

I meant http://www.jbmtechnologies.com or http://jbmtechnologies.com


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Microsoft MVP FrontPage
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[JsGenesis40]

Hi...educated guess...isnt the _derived/nortbot created at the time of publishing your web?

Again..thanks for your helpt

 

[Steve Easton]

A 550 error indicates a permissions error on the server.

OK, your site is hosted on an Apache/UNIX server with FrontPage extensions:
Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.2.2 FrontPage/5.0.2.2510 mod_ssl/2.8.11 OpenSSL/0.9.6b

As verified by opening this page : http://www.jbmtechnologies.com/_vti_inf.html

However there is no homepage in the root of your web, because your URL opens your web in folder
view.

Your home page is located in a folder named JBM%20Home%20Page
because the following link opens your home page.
http://www.jbmtechnologies.com/JBM Home Page/JBM Technologies Home.htm

Also, home.htm needs to be renamed index.htm to function properly on an Apache/UNIX.
When published FrontPage will then rename it to index.html if needed by the server.

You *must* move your home page to the root of your web.

To use forms you *must* publish to http://jbmtechnologies.com or http://www.jbmtechnologies.com
because when publishing using FTP, FrontPage does not publish all of the files necessary to operate
your form.

With your local web open you need to click File > Publish web... ( or site... if FP2003 ) and then
enter either of the http:// addresses or your forms will *never* work.

Also, you need to remove spaces from file and folder names and replace them with underscores _

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Hi Steve.. Thanks....and its ftp://(server IP) for me through FP..anyway...thanks so much...i must

ssound like an idiot...but im uploading..and i get a 550 norbot permission denied when i publish and
upload....just my luck huh....any ideas?...do i need to erase and start from scratch? thank you for
your assistance

 

[Steve Easton]

The form needs to be in a location inside your local web, meaning if you open FrontPage and then
click File > Open Web... when your local copy opens, everything that the web uses / needs will be in
the list of files or inside one of the folders you see *inside* of FrontPage when you click View >
Folders on the FrontPage toolbar.

Yes, northbots is automatically created ( in a manner of speaking ) when you publish, however you or
the user will never see it, as it is what is used to create the standard confirmation page "on the
fly" when your form is submitted. ( unless you have created a custom confirmation page and
designated it in form properties )

Also have the host make sure the _private folder has "server write permissions" applied as this is
where the form saves the data that is entered. ( Unless you have specified another location in the
web. At this point I would recommend against that. Get it working first. )


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Hi Steve... I was in the middle of moving them back and republishing like you suggested. It

basically works...I have to fix a couple of minor things... The form doesnt work still. So..I
publish the form to a directory on my system. Then republish it to jbmtechnologies.com....i tried
that earlier...said it didnt exist..but i will retry... what about the derived/norbots..does it get
created when i fully publish my forms..and how would i transfer that...any great secrets
there....Man..do i owe you a case of beer.....

 

[JsGenesis40]

Hi Steve...

Ok..went back and got it to create the _derived/nortbots on its own...goto publish it..and it gives me the 550 permission denied on the norbots...any ideas there..i dont want to ftp it..like you said...it wont work im sure...i just need to get the dang server to accept this...

Othere then that..everything you told me worked so far ....thanks i could send you my 3 webs that has the form and maybe you can try to publish it...

anyways..thanks for the help

 

[Steve Easton]

OK, when you're working with your local web and try to test the form, you will get the northbots
error, because the local web isn't running on a server with extensions, unless you have IIS and
extensions installed on your machine and have either created the web in IIS or published it too IIS.

Northbots isn't anything you create, it's something that FrontPage does automatically.

When you publish to a properly configured "extended" server the form will work as advertised

You do need to recheck your "form properties" and look at the save results page and the address /
file name of your custom confirmation page. The confirmation page "file name" looked funny to me
when I used view source for the form, and I could not find it on your server.



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Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
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Hi Steve...

Ok..went back and got it to create the _derived/nortbots on its own...goto publish it..and it

gives me the 550 permission denied on the norbots...any ideas there..i dont want to ftp it..like you
said...it wont work im sure...i just need to get the dang server to accept this...

Othere then that..everything you told me worked so far ....thanks i could send you my 3 webs that

has the form and maybe you can try to publish it...

 

[Steve Easton]

Also, if you have removed the spaces from folder and file names as suggested, you need to go into
Form properties for your form and relink to the newly named files.

This is one area where FrontPage will *not* automatically update the links.

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Microsoft MVP FrontPage
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[Ronx]

If the web is published correctly (using HTTP to an extended server) the
Nortbots.htm page will never be uploaded to, or created in, the live site.
Nortbots.htm is an error message used in Disc Based webs - nothing to do
with confirmation pages. The only way it gets to the live site is by using
FTP from a disc based web (though there is a bug with FP98 explained at
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;181205&Product=fp98 )

The form needs to be in a location inside your local web, meaning if you open FrontPage and then
click File > Open Web... when your local copy opens, everything that the web uses / needs will be in
the list of files or inside one of the folders you see *inside* of

FrontPage when you click View >

Folders on the FrontPage toolbar.

Yes, northbots is automatically created ( in a manner of speaking ) when you publish, however you or
the user will never see it, as it is what is used to create the standard confirmation page "on the
fly" when your form is submitted. ( unless you have created a custom confirmation page and
designated it in form properties )

Also have the host make sure the _private folder has "server write

permissions" applied as this is

where the form saves the data that is entered. ( Unless you have

specified another location in the

web. At this point I would recommend against that. Get it working first. )


--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
.......................with a computer

like you suggested. It
basically works...I have to fix a couple of minor things... The form doesnt work still. So..I
publish the form to a directory on my system. Then republish it to jbmtechnologies.com....i tried
that earlier...said it didnt exist..but i will retry... what about the derived/norbots..does it get
created when i fully publish my forms..and how would i transfer that...any great secrets
there....Man..do i owe you a case of beer..... the files necessary to
operate site... if FP2003 ) and
then

FP..anyway...thanks so much...i

must

permission denied when i publish

and start from scratch? thank you
for the web contains
components "POST" alarm..been one of
them editing is correct..it
does

putting the _derived/nortbot in

 

[Ronx]

No. nortbots.htm is created when you save the form page in a disc based
web. If you http publish to a FPextended server the nortbots.htm file is
not uploaded or created in the live site - it is not needed.

Ron

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

The nortbots.htm is not actually "created" in disc based webs
But it is "used" when FP can not find the SE for a run time component like a form from the default install location (based on
version of FP installed) from:
%CommonProgramFiles%\Microsoft Shared\Web Server Extensions\XX\bin\YYYY
- where XX is the SE version (40 for 2000 / 50 for 2002 / 60 for 2003)
- and YYYY is the language (1033 for English)





| No. nortbots.htm is created when you save the form page in a disc based
| web. If you http publish to a FPextended server the nortbots.htm file is
| not uploaded or created in the live site - it is not needed.
|
| Ron
| --
| reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
|
|
| | > Hi...educated guess...isnt the _derived/nortbot created at the time of
| publishing your web?
| >
| > Again..thanks for your helpt
| >
| > "Steve Easton" wrote:
| >
| > > I meant http://www.jbmtechnologies.com or http://jbmtechnologies.com
| > >
| > >
| > > --
| > > Steve Easton
| > > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > > 95isalive
| > > This site is best viewed............
| > > ........................with a computer
| > >
| > > | > > > The clue here is "FTP" you can *NOT* FTP a web to publish it if the
| web contains components that
| > > > require the FrontPage extensions, and forms are one of those
| components.
| > > >
| > > > You *must* publish using http://www.jbmtechnologies.com or
| http://www.jbmtechnologies.com
| > > > as the "publish to" address.
| > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > > > --
| > > > Steve Easton
| > > > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > > > 95isalive
| > > > This site is best viewed............
| > > > .......................with a computer
| > > >
| > > > | > > > > Hi ...need some advice...seems im not the only one with the
| _derived/norbots.htm problem with
| > > form
| > > > feedback...my web form problem is
| http://www.jbmtechnologies.com/contact/contact main.htm
| > > > >
| > > > > my front page extension area is
| http://www.jbmtechnologies.com/_vti_inf.html
| > > > >
| > > > > 'FPVersion' identifies the version of the FrontPage Server
| Extensions
| > > > > installed, and should not be changed.
| > > > > --><!-- FrontPage Configuration Information
| > > > > FPVersion="5.0.2.2623"
| > > > > FPShtmlScriptUrl="_vti_bin/shtml.exe/_vti_rpc"
| > > > > FPAuthorScriptUrl="_vti_bin/_vti_aut/author.exe"
| > > > > FPAdminScriptUrl="_vti_bin/_vti_adm/admin.exe"
| > > > > TPScriptUrl="_vti_bin/owssvr.exe"
| > > > >
| > > > > The host is broadview net...I have been through the discussion
| boards, edited out the
| > > > _derived/norbot like microsoft suggested..then i get a "can not "POST"
| alarm..been one of them
| > > > days...the one gentleman about front page changing it back after
| editing is correct..it does
| > > change
| > > > it back..i was able to edit a different way. Also, i tried putting the
| _derived/nortbot in the
| > > > directory of my Contact directory as it seems not to want to go into
| the root.
| > > > >
| > > > > Also, when i try to use FP to FTP..it says a web does not exist
| there..creat one? i say
| > > > ok...<again frustrated> and then it says it cant....lol....<just
| shaking my head>
| > > > >
| > > > > Any help available...
| > > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
|
|

 

[Steve Easton]

Change the password immediately and contact someone privately.



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Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
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Good morning,

Still no avail....keep getting the 550 permission on the _derived/norbots when auto upload to the

server. The file was auto created in my local web. I understand that it wont work under local web.
Ill keep trying. Also fixed the spaces like you all suggested..thanks...ill keep trying...when
FP2002 publishes..it also wants to publish the _derived/norbots. Thats when the error occurs. LIke
Stefan asked.. i do have the files that he wrote. It looks like I have a proper config'd server.
According to the provider..i do...Ill keep reading...oh..password to my directory is jbm8878 and isp
is 64.115.0.44,,,,feel free to take a peek...i can always change it later...

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

Online at http://www.jbmtechnologies.com/contact/contact.htm
I still see an invalid save file name / location
(u-file="Web Form Reply")
- that's not a file name
- a valid file name would be something like: Web_Form_Reply.htm which must exist
and a save file location of "../../_private/Web_Form_Reply.htm"
- meaning save results to the file Web_Form_Reply.htm in the _private folder 2 levels up from this page




| Good morning,
|
| Still no avail....keep getting the 550 permission on the _derived/norbots when auto upload to the server. The file was auto
created in my local web. I understand that it wont work under local web. Ill keep trying. Also fixed the spaces like you all
suggested..thanks...ill keep trying...when FP2002 publishes..it also wants to publish the _derived/norbots. Thats when the error
occurs. LIke Stefan asked.. i do have the files that he wrote. It looks like I have a proper config'd server. According to the
provider..i do...Ill keep reading...oh..password to my directory is jbm8878 and isp is 64.115.0.44,,,,feel free to take a peek...i
can always change it later...
|
| thanks in advance for assistance...
|
| "JsGenesis40" wrote:
|
| > Hi...educated guess...isnt the _derived/nortbot created at the time of publishing your web?
| >
| > Again..thanks for your helpt
| >
| > "Steve Easton" wrote:
| >
| > > I meant http://www.jbmtechnologies.com or http://jbmtechnologies.com
| > >
| > >
| > > --
| > > Steve Easton
| > > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > > 95isalive
| > > This site is best viewed............
| > > ........................with a computer
| > >
| > > | > > > The clue here is "FTP" you can *NOT* FTP a web to publish it if the web contains components that
| > > > require the FrontPage extensions, and forms are one of those components.
| > > >
| > > > You *must* publish using http://www.jbmtechnologies.com or http://www.jbmtechnologies.com
| > > > as the "publish to" address.
| > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > > > --
| > > > Steve Easton
| > > > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > > > 95isalive
| > > > This site is best viewed............
| > > > .......................with a computer
| > > >
| > > > | > > > > Hi ...need some advice...seems im not the only one with the _derived/norbots.htm problem with
| > > form
| > > > feedback...my web form problem is http://www.jbmtechnologies.com/contact/contact main.htm
| > > > >
| > > > > my front page extension area is http://www.jbmtechnologies.com/_vti_inf.html
| > > > >
| > > > > 'FPVersion' identifies the version of the FrontPage Server Extensions
| > > > > installed, and should not be changed.
| > > > > --><!-- FrontPage Configuration Information
| > > > > FPVersion="5.0.2.2623"
| > > > > FPShtmlScriptUrl="_vti_bin/shtml.exe/_vti_rpc"
| > > > > FPAuthorScriptUrl="_vti_bin/_vti_aut/author.exe"
| > > > > FPAdminScriptUrl="_vti_bin/_vti_adm/admin.exe"
| > > > > TPScriptUrl="_vti_bin/owssvr.exe"
| > > > >
| > > > > The host is broadview net...I have been through the discussion boards, edited out the
| > > > _derived/norbot like microsoft suggested..then i get a "can not "POST" alarm..been one of them
| > > > days...the one gentleman about front page changing it back after editing is correct..it does
| > > change
| > > > it back..i was able to edit a different way. Also, i tried putting the _derived/nortbot in the
| > > > directory of my Contact directory as it seems not to want to go into the root.
| > > > >
| > > > > Also, when i try to use FP to FTP..it says a web does not exist there..creat one? i say
| > > > ok...<again frustrated> and then it says it cant....lol....<just shaking my head>
| > > > >
| > > > > Any help available...
| > > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| > >
| > >

 

[Steve Easton]

Email me. My reply address is valid.
include the user name and password for the server if you've changed it

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Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
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Hi all,

This is just not working..been on phone with isp and everything...anyone i can call out

there...thats reputable...i dont know if microsoft will give this glitch the time of day...I tried
everything that you all suggested...im stumped and doomed....

 

[Steve Easton]

Also, have your host reset the extensions, they are broken again.

--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
........................with a computer

Hi all,

This is just not working..been on phone with isp and everything...anyone i can call out

there...thats reputable...i dont know if microsoft will give this glitch the time of day...I tried
everything that you all suggested...im stumped and doomed....