Non-Genuine Microsoft Office Professional

[penstar]

It appears that the copy of MS Office that a friend loaded on my lapto
is non-genuine. I have an OEM copy of MS Office that I got with anothe
laptop, and has never been installed.

If I uninstall my non-genuine copy of Office, is it likely that I wil
encounter problems loading up my OEM copy?

Alternatively, if I were to purchase the Office 2007 Upgrade version
would I have problems installing it as my existing copy i
"Non-Genuine"

 

[JoAnn Paules]

You can't install an OEM version on a different computer. And updating a
bootleg copy of Office with a genuine version doesn't make you legal. (I'll
hold my tongue about a "friend" who would install illegal software on your
computer.)

 

[Gordon]

You can't install an OEM version on a different computer.

The OP says it's never been installed.....

 

[Earle Horton]

The OP says it's never been installed.....

He says he has "an OEM copy of MS Office that I got with another laptop".
The idea of OEM software is that it only be installed on the computer with
which it was sold. For this consideration the OEM gets a price break from
Microsoft which they hopefully pass on to the end customer. It will
probably install and activate OK on another computer, if it is a non-trial
version and has never been installed before, but it is not exactly playing
by the rules. Some OEM software has code to tell if it is being installed
on the same brand of OEM computer with which it was originally sold.
Without knowing the brand name, it is impossible to tell whether this would
apply.

Now it is also possible for an end user to purchase non-branded OEM software
from any of a number of wholesale outlets, and install it on a computer
which he already owns, but that is not what we are talking about here.

Earle

 

[Gordon]

He says he has "an OEM copy of MS Office that I got with another laptop".
The idea of OEM software is that it only be installed on the computer with
which it was sold.

Err no.

 

[Alias]

He says he has "an OEM copy of MS Office that I got with another laptop".
The idea of OEM software is that it only be installed on the computer with
which it was sold. For this consideration the OEM gets a price break from
Microsoft which they hopefully pass on to the end customer. It will
probably install and activate OK on another computer, if it is a non-trial
version and has never been installed before, but it is not exactly playing
by the rules. Some OEM software has code to tell if it is being installed
on the same brand of OEM computer with which it was originally sold.
Without knowing the brand name, it is impossible to tell whether this would
apply.

Now it is also possible for an end user to purchase non-branded OEM software
from any of a number of wholesale outlets, and install it on a computer
which he already owns, but that is not what we are talking about here.

Earle

OEM software in Office usually allows an install on a laptop *and* a
desktop. Please stop spreading FUD. The licensing scam is bad enough as
it is without you adding lies.

Alias

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

From the Microsoft Office Online Page regarding the various Office versions:

1Office Home and Student 2007 Retail License Terms allow for installation on
three devices. OEM License Terms limit the installation to the device on
which the software was pre-installed.
To read all of the different MSLAs, please see:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HA012340811033.aspx

Now will you please stop spreading FUD?

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
ALWAYS post your Outlook version.
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After furious head scratching, Alias asked:

| Earle Horton wrote:
|| ||| |||| You can't install an OEM version on a different computer.
||| The OP says it's never been installed.....
|||
|| He says he has "an OEM copy of MS Office that I got with another
|| laptop". The idea of OEM software is that it only be installed on
|| the computer with which it was sold. For this consideration the OEM
|| gets a price break from Microsoft which they hopefully pass on to
|| the end customer. It will probably install and activate OK on
|| another computer, if it is a non-trial version and has never been
|| installed before, but it is not exactly playing by the rules. Some
|| OEM software has code to tell if it is being installed on the same
|| brand of OEM computer with which it was originally sold. Without
|| knowing the brand name, it is impossible to tell whether this would
|| apply.
||
|| Now it is also possible for an end user to purchase non-branded OEM
|| software from any of a number of wholesale outlets, and install it
|| on a computer which he already owns, but that is not what we are
|| talking about here.
||
|| Earle
||
||
|
| OEM software in Office usually allows an install on a laptop *and* a
| desktop. Please stop spreading FUD. The licensing scam is bad enough
| as it is without you adding lies.
|
| Alias

 

[Earle Horton]

Thank you Milly. For purposes of OEM software licensing, "device" refers to
"motherboard". Motherboard replacements are allowed for repair purposes,
but only with an identical replacement part. It would be extremely unusual
for the OP to have gotten an OEM Office Suite "uninstalled" with a laptop
purchase. The OEM software I have seen is already "pre-installed" on the
computer when you open the box. One of the reasons that the retail product
costs more, is that you are allowed to install it on multiple computers in
succession.

Earle

From the Microsoft Office Online Page regarding the various Office
versions:

1Office Home and Student 2007 Retail License Terms allow for installation
on
three devices. OEM License Terms limit the installation to the device on
which the software was pre-installed.
To read all of the different MSLAs, please see:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HA012340811033.aspx

Now will you please stop spreading FUD?

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
ALWAYS post your Outlook version.
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


After furious head scratching, Alias asked:

| Earle Horton wrote:
|| ||| |||| You can't install an OEM version on a different computer.
||| The OP says it's never been installed.....
|||
|| He says he has "an OEM copy of MS Office that I got with another
|| laptop". The idea of OEM software is that it only be installed on
|| the computer with which it was sold. For this consideration the OEM
|| gets a price break from Microsoft which they hopefully pass on to
|| the end customer. It will probably install and activate OK on
|| another computer, if it is a non-trial version and has never been
|| installed before, but it is not exactly playing by the rules. Some
|| OEM software has code to tell if it is being installed on the same
|| brand of OEM computer with which it was originally sold. Without
|| knowing the brand name, it is impossible to tell whether this would
|| apply.
||
|| Now it is also possible for an end user to purchase non-branded OEM
|| software from any of a number of wholesale outlets, and install it
|| on a computer which he already owns, but that is not what we are
|| talking about here.
||
|| Earle
||
||
|
| OEM software in Office usually allows an install on a laptop *and* a
| desktop. Please stop spreading FUD. The licensing scam is bad enough
| as it is without you adding lies.
|
| Alias

 

[Alias]

From the Microsoft Office Online Page regarding the various Office versions:

1Office Home and Student 2007 Retail License Terms allow for installation on
three devices. OEM License Terms limit the installation to the device on
which the software was pre-installed.
To read all of the different MSLAs, please see:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HA012340811033.aspx

Now will you please stop spreading FUD?

Have a reading comprehension problem? Note I wrote, and I quote:

"OEM software in Office usually allows an install on a laptop *and* a
desktop." Key word: "usually".

Also *most* preinstalled copies of Office are trial, not OEM or retail.
Key word: "most". Sheesh!

Now, if and when the OP tells us what he or she really has, we will know
which of the restrictive, intrusive and scam laden licensing rules apply.

Alias
Now I have to correct your top posting sig delimiter problem:

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
ALWAYS post your Outlook version.
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


After furious head scratching, Alias asked:

| Earle Horton wrote:
|| ||| |||| You can't install an OEM version on a different computer.
||| The OP says it's never been installed.....
|||
|| He says he has "an OEM copy of MS Office that I got with another
|| laptop". The idea of OEM software is that it only be installed on
|| the computer with which it was sold. For this consideration the OEM
|| gets a price break from Microsoft which they hopefully pass on to
|| the end customer. It will probably install and activate OK on
|| another computer, if it is a non-trial version and has never been
|| installed before, but it is not exactly playing by the rules. Some
|| OEM software has code to tell if it is being installed on the same
|| brand of OEM computer with which it was originally sold. Without
|| knowing the brand name, it is impossible to tell whether this would
|| apply.
||
|| Now it is also possible for an end user to purchase non-branded OEM
|| software from any of a number of wholesale outlets, and install it
|| on a computer which he already owns, but that is not what we are
|| talking about here.
||
|| Earle
||
||
|
| OEM software in Office usually allows an install on a laptop *and* a
| desktop. Please stop spreading FUD. The licensing scam is bad enough
| as it is without you adding lies.
|
| Alias

 

[Alias]

Thank you Milly. For purposes of OEM software licensing, "device" refers to
"motherboard".

Really? Have you got proof of this or are you interpreting again? My OEM
EULA says *nothing* about a motherboard for both Office and XP.

Motherboard replacements are allowed for repair purposes,

but only with an identical replacement part. It would be extremely unusual
for the OP to have gotten an OEM Office Suite "uninstalled" with a laptop
purchase. The OEM software I have seen is already "pre-installed" on the
computer when you open the box. One of the reasons that the retail product
costs more, is that you are allowed to install it on multiple computers in
succession.

Earle

Fact is, you are speculating but you're posting your speculation as if
it were fact.

Alias

From the Microsoft Office Online Page regarding the various Office
versions:

1Office Home and Student 2007 Retail License Terms allow for installation
on
three devices. OEM License Terms limit the installation to the device on
which the software was pre-installed.
To read all of the different MSLAs, please see:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HA012340811033.aspx

Now will you please stop spreading FUD?

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
ALWAYS post your Outlook version.
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


After furious head scratching, Alias asked:

| Earle Horton wrote:
|| ||| |||| You can't install an OEM version on a different computer.
||| The OP says it's never been installed.....
|||
|| He says he has "an OEM copy of MS Office that I got with another
|| laptop". The idea of OEM software is that it only be installed on
|| the computer with which it was sold. For this consideration the OEM
|| gets a price break from Microsoft which they hopefully pass on to
|| the end customer. It will probably install and activate OK on
|| another computer, if it is a non-trial version and has never been
|| installed before, but it is not exactly playing by the rules. Some
|| OEM software has code to tell if it is being installed on the same
|| brand of OEM computer with which it was originally sold. Without
|| knowing the brand name, it is impossible to tell whether this would
|| apply.
||
|| Now it is also possible for an end user to purchase non-branded OEM
|| software from any of a number of wholesale outlets, and install it
|| on a computer which he already owns, but that is not what we are
|| talking about here.
||
|| Earle
||
||
|
| OEM software in Office usually allows an install on a laptop *and* a
| desktop. Please stop spreading FUD. The licensing scam is bad enough
| as it is without you adding lies.
|
| Alias

 

[Earle Horton]

Really? Have you got proof of this or are you interpreting again? My OEM
EULA says *nothing* about a motherboard for both Office and XP.

It's on the top secret inner sanctum pages only revealed to genuine
Registered Members in the Microsoft Partner Program such as myself
(Organization Partner ID: 2337734 [Active] Horton Computer Service,
Silverton, CO). I even have a web site, see?

http://hortoncomputers.tripod.com/

The rationalization (and listen for once, you might learn something) given
is that the OEM who provided you with your computer cannot be expected to
continue to support either the computer or the OEM software pre-installed
therein once you have upgraded a major component such as a motherboard.
Once you do that you no longer qualify for the OEM's excellent customer
service, and your license to use the software, which you have actually
received third party via the OEM, is no longer valid.

Motherboard replacements are allowed for repair purposes,

Fact is, you are speculating but you're posting your speculation as if it
were fact.

Why else would the retail product cost more, if it did not have more value?
By "more value" I mean the privilege of being able to call Microsoft and pay
for their excellent customer service, which you cannot do with your pathetic
pirated OEM copy.

Cheers,

Earle

Alias

From the Microsoft Office Online Page regarding the various Office
versions:

1Office Home and Student 2007 Retail License Terms allow for
installation on
three devices. OEM License Terms limit the installation to the device on
which the software was pre-installed.
To read all of the different MSLAs, please see:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HA012340811033.aspx

Now will you please stop spreading FUD?

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
ALWAYS post your Outlook version.
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


After furious head scratching, Alias asked:

| Earle Horton wrote:
|| ||| |||| You can't install an OEM version on a different computer.
||| The OP says it's never been installed.....
|||
|| He says he has "an OEM copy of MS Office that I got with another
|| laptop". The idea of OEM software is that it only be installed on
|| the computer with which it was sold. For this consideration the OEM
|| gets a price break from Microsoft which they hopefully pass on to
|| the end customer. It will probably install and activate OK on
|| another computer, if it is a non-trial version and has never been
|| installed before, but it is not exactly playing by the rules. Some
|| OEM software has code to tell if it is being installed on the same
|| brand of OEM computer with which it was originally sold. Without
|| knowing the brand name, it is impossible to tell whether this would
|| apply.
||
|| Now it is also possible for an end user to purchase non-branded OEM
|| software from any of a number of wholesale outlets, and install it
|| on a computer which he already owns, but that is not what we are
|| talking about here.
||
|| Earle
||
||
|
| OEM software in Office usually allows an install on a laptop *and* a
| desktop. Please stop spreading FUD. The licensing scam is bad enough
| as it is without you adding lies.
|
| Alias

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

That is your opinion of OEM installations. Microsoft has posted what the
license allows. It does not say "... depending on what your OEM will allow
or you can get away with."

It is a flat statement that "OEM license terms limit the installation to the
device on which the software was pre-installed." Device = Singular.
Period. How hard is it to understand those 15 words

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
ALWAYS post your Outlook version.
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


After furious head scratching, Alias asked:

| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] wrote:
|| From the Microsoft Office Online Page regarding the various Office
|| versions:
||
|| 1Office Home and Student 2007 Retail License Terms allow for
|| installation on three devices. OEM License Terms limit the
|| installation to the device on which the software was pre-installed.
|| To read all of the different MSLAs, please see:
|| http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HA012340811033.aspx
||
|| Now will you please stop spreading FUD?
|
| Have a reading comprehension problem? Note I wrote, and I quote:
|
| "OEM software in Office usually allows an install on a laptop *and* a
| desktop." Key word: "usually".
|
| Also *most* preinstalled copies of Office are trial, not OEM or
| retail. Key word: "most". Sheesh!
|
| Now, if and when the OP tells us what he or she really has, we will
| know which of the restrictive, intrusive and scam laden licensing
| rules apply.
|
| Alias
||
|
| Now I have to correct your top posting sig delimiter problem:
|
| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|
| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
| ALWAYS post your Outlook version.
| How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375
|
|
| After furious head scratching, Alias asked:
|
|| Earle Horton wrote:
||| |||| ||||| You can't install an OEM version on a different computer.
|||| The OP says it's never been installed.....
||||
||| He says he has "an OEM copy of MS Office that I got with another
||| laptop". The idea of OEM software is that it only be installed on
||| the computer with which it was sold. For this consideration the OEM
||| gets a price break from Microsoft which they hopefully pass on to
||| the end customer. It will probably install and activate OK on
||| another computer, if it is a non-trial version and has never been
||| installed before, but it is not exactly playing by the rules. Some
||| OEM software has code to tell if it is being installed on the same
||| brand of OEM computer with which it was originally sold. Without
||| knowing the brand name, it is impossible to tell whether this would
||| apply.
|||
||| Now it is also possible for an end user to purchase non-branded OEM
||| software from any of a number of wholesale outlets, and install it
||| on a computer which he already owns, but that is not what we are
||| talking about here.
|||
||| Earle
|||
|||
||
|| OEM software in Office usually allows an install on a laptop *and* a
|| desktop. Please stop spreading FUD. The licensing scam is bad enough
|| as it is without you adding lies.
||
|| Alias

 

[Alias]

Really? Have you got proof of this or are you interpreting again? My OEM
EULA says *nothing* about a motherboard for both Office and XP.

It's on the top secret inner sanctum pages only revealed to genuine
Registered Members in the Microsoft Partner Program such as myself
(Organization Partner ID: 2337734 [Active] Horton Computer Service,
Silverton, CO). I even have a web site, see?

http://hortoncomputers.tripod.com/

The rationalization (and listen for once, you might learn something) given
is that the OEM who provided you with your computer cannot be expected to
continue to support either the computer or the OEM software pre-installed
therein once you have upgraded a major component such as a motherboard.
Once you do that you no longer qualify for the OEM's excellent customer
service, and your license to use the software, which you have actually
received third party via the OEM, is no longer valid.

Motherboard replacements are allowed for repair purposes,
Fact is, you are speculating but you're posting your speculation as if it
were fact.

Why else would the retail product cost more, if it did not have more value?
By "more value" I mean the privilege of being able to call Microsoft and pay
for their excellent customer service, which you cannot do with your pathetic
pirated OEM copy.

Cheers,

Earle

Um, I don't buy computers from OEMs. I build my own and, in essence, I
am my own OEM and choose to support upgrading hardware, be it a hard
drive, graphics card, processor or MOTHERBOARD. All my software is
legally and properly licensed. I don't care what your speculative
"rationalization" is; I care what is stated on what I agreed to. Your
libelous and totally false accusation that I use pirated software was
totally uncalled for.

Alias

Alias

From the Microsoft Office Online Page regarding the various Office
versions:

1Office Home and Student 2007 Retail License Terms allow for
installation on
three devices. OEM License Terms limit the installation to the device on
which the software was pre-installed.
To read all of the different MSLAs, please see:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HA012340811033.aspx

Now will you please stop spreading FUD?

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
ALWAYS post your Outlook version.
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


After furious head scratching, Alias asked:

| Earle Horton wrote:
|| ||| |||| You can't install an OEM version on a different computer.
||| The OP says it's never been installed.....
|||
|| He says he has "an OEM copy of MS Office that I got with another
|| laptop". The idea of OEM software is that it only be installed on
|| the computer with which it was sold. For this consideration the OEM
|| gets a price break from Microsoft which they hopefully pass on to
|| the end customer. It will probably install and activate OK on
|| another computer, if it is a non-trial version and has never been
|| installed before, but it is not exactly playing by the rules. Some
|| OEM software has code to tell if it is being installed on the same
|| brand of OEM computer with which it was originally sold. Without
|| knowing the brand name, it is impossible to tell whether this would
|| apply.
||
|| Now it is also possible for an end user to purchase non-branded OEM
|| software from any of a number of wholesale outlets, and install it
|| on a computer which he already owns, but that is not what we are
|| talking about here.
||
|| Earle
||
||
|
| OEM software in Office usually allows an install on a laptop *and* a
| desktop. Please stop spreading FUD. The licensing scam is bad enough
| as it is without you adding lies.
|
| Alias

 

[Alias]

That is your opinion of OEM installations. Microsoft has posted what the
license allows. It does not say "... depending on what your OEM will allow
or you can get away with."

It is a flat statement that "OEM license terms limit the installation to the
device on which the software was pre-installed." Device = Singular.
Period. How hard is it to understand those 15 words

As I am my own OEM, I don't deal with anything "pre-installed".

As far as the OP is concerned, I repeat:

Now, if and when the OP tells us what he or she really has, we will know
which of the restrictive, intrusive and scam laden licensing
rules apply.

Alias

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
ALWAYS post your Outlook version.
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


After furious head scratching, Alias asked:

| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] wrote:
|| From the Microsoft Office Online Page regarding the various Office
|| versions:
||
|| 1Office Home and Student 2007 Retail License Terms allow for
|| installation on three devices. OEM License Terms limit the
|| installation to the device on which the software was pre-installed.
|| To read all of the different MSLAs, please see:
|| http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HA012340811033.aspx
||
|| Now will you please stop spreading FUD?
|
| Have a reading comprehension problem? Note I wrote, and I quote:
|
| "OEM software in Office usually allows an install on a laptop *and* a
| desktop." Key word: "usually".
|
| Also *most* preinstalled copies of Office are trial, not OEM or
| retail. Key word: "most". Sheesh!
|
| Now, if and when the OP tells us what he or she really has, we will
| know which of the restrictive, intrusive and scam laden licensing
| rules apply.
|
| Alias
||
|
| Now I have to correct your top posting sig delimiter problem:
|
| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|
| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
| ALWAYS post your Outlook version.
| How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375
|
|
| After furious head scratching, Alias asked:
|
|| Earle Horton wrote:
||| |||| ||||| You can't install an OEM version on a different computer.
|||| The OP says it's never been installed.....
||||
||| He says he has "an OEM copy of MS Office that I got with another
||| laptop". The idea of OEM software is that it only be installed on
||| the computer with which it was sold. For this consideration the OEM
||| gets a price break from Microsoft which they hopefully pass on to
||| the end customer. It will probably install and activate OK on
||| another computer, if it is a non-trial version and has never been
||| installed before, but it is not exactly playing by the rules. Some
||| OEM software has code to tell if it is being installed on the same
||| brand of OEM computer with which it was originally sold. Without
||| knowing the brand name, it is impossible to tell whether this would
||| apply.
|||
||| Now it is also possible for an end user to purchase non-branded OEM
||| software from any of a number of wholesale outlets, and install it
||| on a computer which he already owns, but that is not what we are
||| talking about here.
|||
||| Earle
|||
|||
||
|| OEM software in Office usually allows an install on a laptop *and* a
|| desktop. Please stop spreading FUD. The licensing scam is bad enough
|| as it is without you adding lies.
||
|| Alias

 

[Earle Horton]

Earle Horton wrote:
Thank you Milly. For purposes of OEM software licensing, "device"
refers to "motherboard".
Really? Have you got proof of this or are you interpreting again? My OEM
EULA says *nothing* about a motherboard for both Office and XP.

It's on the top secret inner sanctum pages only revealed to genuine
Registered Members in the Microsoft Partner Program such as myself
(Organization Partner ID: 2337734 [Active] Horton Computer Service,
Silverton, CO). I even have a web site, see?

http://hortoncomputers.tripod.com/

The rationalization (and listen for once, you might learn something)
given is that the OEM who provided you with your computer cannot be
expected to continue to support either the computer or the OEM software
pre-installed therein once you have upgraded a major component such as a
motherboard. Once you do that you no longer qualify for the OEM's
excellent customer service, and your license to use the software, which
you have actually received third party via the OEM, is no longer valid.

Motherboard replacements are allowed for repair purposes,
but only with an identical replacement part. It would be extremely
unusual for the OP to have gotten an OEM Office Suite "uninstalled"
with a laptop purchase. The OEM software I have seen is already
"pre-installed" on the computer when you open the box. One of the
reasons that the retail product costs more, is that you are allowed to
install it on multiple computers in succession.

Earle
Fact is, you are speculating but you're posting your speculation as if
it were fact.

Why else would the retail product cost more, if it did not have more
value? By "more value" I mean the privilege of being able to call
Microsoft and pay for their excellent customer service, which you cannot
do with your pathetic pirated OEM copy.

Cheers,

Earle

Um, I don't buy computers from OEMs. I build my own and, in essence, I am
my own OEM and choose to support upgrading hardware, be it a hard drive,
graphics card, processor or MOTHERBOARD. All my software is legally and
properly licensed. I don't care what your speculative "rationalization"
is; I care what is stated on what I agreed to. Your libelous and totally
false accusation that I use pirated software was totally uncalled for.

In that case you are bound by the terms of the System Builder License.

http://www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense/default.mspx

I believe that the relevant paragraph is this one.

5.b. «End User License Terms. You must distribute the Software pursuant to
the end user license terms ("License Terms") that accompany it. Under the
License Terms, you are the licensor.»

I find no way to interpret this that gives you the right to serially install
the software on multiple devices for your own use, pirate.

Cheers,

Earle

Alias

Alias
From the Microsoft Office Online Page regarding the various Office
versions:

1Office Home and Student 2007 Retail License Terms allow for
installation on
three devices. OEM License Terms limit the installation to the device
on
which the software was pre-installed.
To read all of the different MSLAs, please see:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HA012340811033.aspx

Now will you please stop spreading FUD?

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

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After furious head scratching, Alias asked:

| Earle Horton wrote:
|| ||| |||| You can't install an OEM version on a different computer.
||| The OP says it's never been installed.....
|||
|| He says he has "an OEM copy of MS Office that I got with another
|| laptop". The idea of OEM software is that it only be installed on
|| the computer with which it was sold. For this consideration the
OEM
|| gets a price break from Microsoft which they hopefully pass on to
|| the end customer. It will probably install and activate OK on
|| another computer, if it is a non-trial version and has never been
|| installed before, but it is not exactly playing by the rules. Some
|| OEM software has code to tell if it is being installed on the same
|| brand of OEM computer with which it was originally sold. Without
|| knowing the brand name, it is impossible to tell whether this would
|| apply.
||
|| Now it is also possible for an end user to purchase non-branded OEM
|| software from any of a number of wholesale outlets, and install it
|| on a computer which he already owns, but that is not what we are
|| talking about here.
||
|| Earle
||
||
|
| OEM software in Office usually allows an install on a laptop *and* a
| desktop. Please stop spreading FUD. The licensing scam is bad enough
| as it is without you adding lies.
|
| Alias

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

Unless you build the motherboard, video card, sound card, etc., you are a
system builder, not an "original equipment manufacturer" as you are using
equipment manufactured by others but assembled by you (system builder.)

You are splitting hairs on the wrong head.

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Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

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After furious head scratching, Alias asked:

| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] wrote:
|| That is your opinion of OEM installations. Microsoft has posted
|| what the license allows. It does not say "... depending on what
|| your OEM will allow or you can get away with."
||
|| It is a flat statement that "OEM license terms limit the
|| installation to the device on which the software was pre-installed."
|| Device = Singular. Period. How hard is it to understand those 15
|| words
||
|
| As I am my own OEM, I don't deal with anything "pre-installed".
|
| As far as the OP is concerned, I repeat:
|
| Now, if and when the OP tells us what he or she really has, we will
| know which of the restrictive, intrusive and scam laden licensing
| rules apply.
|
| Alias
|
| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
|
| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
| ALWAYS post your Outlook version.
| How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375
|
|
| After furious head scratching, Alias asked:
|
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] wrote:
||| From the Microsoft Office Online Page regarding the various Office
||| versions:
|||
||| 1Office Home and Student 2007 Retail License Terms allow for
||| installation on three devices. OEM License Terms limit the
||| installation to the device on which the software was pre-installed.
||| To read all of the different MSLAs, please see:
||| http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HA012340811033.aspx
|||
||| Now will you please stop spreading FUD?
||
|| Have a reading comprehension problem? Note I wrote, and I quote:
||
|| "OEM software in Office usually allows an install on a laptop *and* a
|| desktop." Key word: "usually".
||
|| Also *most* preinstalled copies of Office are trial, not OEM or
|| retail. Key word: "most". Sheesh!
||
|| Now, if and when the OP tells us what he or she really has, we will
|| know which of the restrictive, intrusive and scam laden licensing
|| rules apply.
||
|| Alias
|||
||
|| Now I have to correct your top posting sig delimiter problem:
||
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
|| ALWAYS post your Outlook version.
|| How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375
||
||
|| After furious head scratching, Alias asked:
||
||| Earle Horton wrote:
|||| ||||| |||||| You can't install an OEM version on a different computer.
||||| The OP says it's never been installed.....
|||||
|||| He says he has "an OEM copy of MS Office that I got with another
|||| laptop". The idea of OEM software is that it only be installed on
|||| the computer with which it was sold. For this consideration the
|||| OEM gets a price break from Microsoft which they hopefully pass on
|||| to the end customer. It will probably install and activate OK on
|||| another computer, if it is a non-trial version and has never been
|||| installed before, but it is not exactly playing by the rules. Some
|||| OEM software has code to tell if it is being installed on the same
|||| brand of OEM computer with which it was originally sold. Without
|||| knowing the brand name, it is impossible to tell whether this would
|||| apply.
||||
|||| Now it is also possible for an end user to purchase non-branded OEM
|||| software from any of a number of wholesale outlets, and install it
|||| on a computer which he already owns, but that is not what we are
|||| talking about here.
||||
|||| Earle
||||
||||
|||
||| OEM software in Office usually allows an install on a laptop *and* a
||| desktop. Please stop spreading FUD. The licensing scam is bad enough
||| as it is without you adding lies.
|||
||| Alias

 

[penstar]

Thank you for all your responses. Apologies for the delay in response.
I feel like I have opened a can of worms.

I don't know if the OEM software is branded or not. It has th
computer suppliers Name printed on the same label where the product ke
is. It also says that the Part No X09-62934.

The OEM software has never been opened or installed, and was neve
installed by the supplier on my original computer.

It makes no mention on the pack if it is a trial version or not.

I was just thinking that since I have never used it, I should be abl
to. I only intend to load it on one computer.

My current software is Office Professional 2003 SP3.

Thanks
Pensta

 

[Alias]

Earle Horton wrote:
Thank you Milly. For purposes of OEM software licensing, "device"
refers to "motherboard".
Really? Have you got proof of this or are you interpreting again? My OEM
EULA says *nothing* about a motherboard for both Office and XP.
It's on the top secret inner sanctum pages only revealed to genuine
Registered Members in the Microsoft Partner Program such as myself
(Organization Partner ID: 2337734 [Active] Horton Computer Service,
Silverton, CO). I even have a web site, see?

http://hortoncomputers.tripod.com/

The rationalization (and listen for once, you might learn something)
given is that the OEM who provided you with your computer cannot be
expected to continue to support either the computer or the OEM software
pre-installed therein once you have upgraded a major component such as a
motherboard. Once you do that you no longer qualify for the OEM's
excellent customer service, and your license to use the software, which
you have actually received third party via the OEM, is no longer valid.

Motherboard replacements are allowed for repair purposes,
but only with an identical replacement part. It would be extremely
unusual for the OP to have gotten an OEM Office Suite "uninstalled"
with a laptop purchase. The OEM software I have seen is already
"pre-installed" on the computer when you open the box. One of the
reasons that the retail product costs more, is that you are allowed to
install it on multiple computers in succession.

Earle
Fact is, you are speculating but you're posting your speculation as if
it were fact.
Why else would the retail product cost more, if it did not have more
value? By "more value" I mean the privilege of being able to call
Microsoft and pay for their excellent customer service, which you cannot
do with your pathetic pirated OEM copy.

Cheers,

Earle

Um, I don't buy computers from OEMs. I build my own and, in essence, I am
my own OEM and choose to support upgrading hardware, be it a hard drive,
graphics card, processor or MOTHERBOARD. All my software is legally and
properly licensed. I don't care what your speculative "rationalization"
is; I care what is stated on what I agreed to. Your libelous and totally
false accusation that I use pirated software was totally uncalled for.

In that case you are bound by the terms of the System Builder License.

http://www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense/default.mspx

I believe that the relevant paragraph is this one.

5.b. «End User License Terms. You must distribute the Software pursuant to
the end user license terms ("License Terms") that accompany it. Under the
License Terms, you are the licensor.»

I find no way to interpret this that gives you the right to serially install
the software on multiple devices for your own use, pirate.

Cheers,

Earle

I never said it did. What did you get that from? I said I am bound by
the EULA that comes with the copy of Office that I bought and my EULA
says I may install it on one desktop and one laptop. It does not say
*anything* about a motherboard.

Alias

Alias

Alias
From the Microsoft Office Online Page regarding the various Office
versions:

1Office Home and Student 2007 Retail License Terms allow for
installation on
three devices. OEM License Terms limit the installation to the device
on
which the software was pre-installed.
To read all of the different MSLAs, please see:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HA012340811033.aspx

Now will you please stop spreading FUD?

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
ALWAYS post your Outlook version.
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


After furious head scratching, Alias asked:

| Earle Horton wrote:
|| ||| |||| You can't install an OEM version on a different computer.
||| The OP says it's never been installed.....
|||
|| He says he has "an OEM copy of MS Office that I got with another
|| laptop". The idea of OEM software is that it only be installed on
|| the computer with which it was sold. For this consideration the
OEM
|| gets a price break from Microsoft which they hopefully pass on to
|| the end customer. It will probably install and activate OK on
|| another computer, if it is a non-trial version and has never been
|| installed before, but it is not exactly playing by the rules. Some
|| OEM software has code to tell if it is being installed on the same
|| brand of OEM computer with which it was originally sold. Without
|| knowing the brand name, it is impossible to tell whether this would
|| apply.
||
|| Now it is also possible for an end user to purchase non-branded OEM
|| software from any of a number of wholesale outlets, and install it
|| on a computer which he already owns, but that is not what we are
|| talking about here.
||
|| Earle
||
||
|
| OEM software in Office usually allows an install on a laptop *and* a
| desktop. Please stop spreading FUD. The licensing scam is bad enough
| as it is without you adding lies.
|
| Alias

 

[Alias]

Unless you build the motherboard, video card, sound card, etc., you are a
system builder, not an "original equipment manufacturer" as you are using
equipment manufactured by others but assembled by you (system builder.)

You are splitting hairs on the wrong head.

Fine and your point is?

Alias

 

[Earle Horton]

Earle Horton wrote:
Earle Horton wrote:
Thank you Milly. For purposes of OEM software licensing, "device"
refers to "motherboard".
Really? Have you got proof of this or are you interpreting again? My
OEM
EULA says *nothing* about a motherboard for both Office and XP.
It's on the top secret inner sanctum pages only revealed to genuine
Registered Members in the Microsoft Partner Program such as myself
(Organization Partner ID: 2337734 [Active] Horton Computer Service,
Silverton, CO). I even have a web site, see?

http://hortoncomputers.tripod.com/

The rationalization (and listen for once, you might learn something)
given is that the OEM who provided you with your computer cannot be
expected to continue to support either the computer or the OEM software
pre-installed therein once you have upgraded a major component such as
a
motherboard. Once you do that you no longer qualify for the OEM's
excellent customer service, and your license to use the software, which
you have actually received third party via the OEM, is no longer valid.

Motherboard replacements are allowed for repair purposes,
but only with an identical replacement part. It would be extremely
unusual for the OP to have gotten an OEM Office Suite "uninstalled"
with a laptop purchase. The OEM software I have seen is already
"pre-installed" on the computer when you open the box. One of the
reasons that the retail product costs more, is that you are allowed
to
install it on multiple computers in succession.

Earle
Fact is, you are speculating but you're posting your speculation as if
it were fact.
Why else would the retail product cost more, if it did not have more
value? By "more value" I mean the privilege of being able to call
Microsoft and pay for their excellent customer service, which you
cannot
do with your pathetic pirated OEM copy.

Cheers,

Earle
Um, I don't buy computers from OEMs. I build my own and, in essence, I
am
my own OEM and choose to support upgrading hardware, be it a hard drive,
graphics card, processor or MOTHERBOARD. All my software is legally and
properly licensed. I don't care what your speculative "rationalization"
is; I care what is stated on what I agreed to. Your libelous and totally
false accusation that I use pirated software was totally uncalled for.

In that case you are bound by the terms of the System Builder License.

http://www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense/default.mspx

I believe that the relevant paragraph is this one.

5.b. «End User License Terms. You must distribute the Software pursuant
to
the end user license terms ("License Terms") that accompany it. Under the
License Terms, you are the licensor.»

I find no way to interpret this that gives you the right to serially
install the software on multiple devices for your own use, pirate.

Cheers,

Earle

I never said it did. What did you get that from? I said I am bound by the
EULA that comes with the copy of Office that I bought and my EULA says I
may install it on one desktop and one laptop. It does not say *anything*
about a motherboard.

The OEM EULA does not say "one desktop and one laptop".

Earle