2.0 to 2000

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Mandy Lindamood

We are trying to migrate to 2000, but I have not converted
all the databases. We currently run many in 2.0 but I
have licenses for the 2000 and XP versions is this allowed
or do I need to purchase a License for the 2.0 version
still running... I cannot find the originals this was way
before me.
 
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david epsom dot com dot au

I reasonably consider that holding a license for a later model of Access
rights to an earlier version, such as Access 2.0.

Unfortunately, MS changed their mind about this around about the
same time that Office 2000 came out. Last I looked, MS policy was
that you need to have a valid licence for the version you are using.

You could argue a fair use doctrine, but then MS could argue a
moral (artistic) rights doctrine. You could argue that MS has
broken the same laws, but then MS could argue that penalty
followed conviction.....

Perhaps another option would be to replace Access 2.0 with the
Access 2.0 runtime? You may be able to a runtime installation
from a local consultant.

Or (I'm not familiar with your business), are you really running
Access 2.0, or just using Access 2.0 data?

(david)

PS: By refusing licensing of version 2.0, MS specifically
excludes themself from liability for bugs and security flaws.
Why do you want a licence? To protect your business from
liability for penalty? So you will have some sympathy for
a business decision like that....
 
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Chris Mills

I reasonably consider that holding a license for a later model of Access(accuracy in quoting, david)
Unfortunately, MS changed their mind about this around about the
same time that Office 2000 came out. Last I looked, MS policy was
that you need to have a valid licence for the version you are using.
Bullshit, David (sorry!)
Give me a URL. My URL even says you can COPY the damn older CD's
(...it's ok, my heartbeat is going down a bit now...)
You could argue a fair use doctrine, but then MS could argue a
moral (artistic) rights doctrine. You could argue that MS has
broken the same laws, but then MS could argue that penalty
followed conviction.....

Even patents expire eventually, besides old programmers.
Perhaps another option would be to replace Access 2.0 with the
Access 2.0 runtime? You may be able to a runtime installation
from a local consultant.

Whilst Runtime can be given by a developer, it is limited to supplying with
their legitimate package, even in A2.0. A mute point perhaps, but you will not
find me or any legit developer spuriously distributing or even suggesting
bypassing licensing.
Or (I'm not familiar with your business), are you really running
Access 2.0, or just using Access 2.0 data?

Do you refer to Mandy or me? I still distribute several apps still entirely
native to A2.0. I even run A2.0 on Win2k, as well as A2k2, and (you decide
which) still bringing them up on WFW3.1 which I still have operational. "Why
You Do Dis?" "For compatibility, of course" "Can I buy one?" "Ah, 'ol codgers
think antiques are worth millions"

My current level is A2k2, more familiar with A2k and A97 and A2.0.

Certainly I have sites still running A2.0. Christ!

MS reads these newsgroups, and I have never been secretive about
"downgrading", nor the necessity of licensing/legit. They should send me a
Crissy
present for the nbr people I've steered right.
PS: By refusing licensing of version 2.0, MS specifically
excludes themself from liability for bugs and security flaws.
Why do you want a licence? To protect your business from
liability for penalty? So you will have some sympathy for
a business decision like that....
Yeah, that they did. My reference to MS telling me to buy wherever I could,
was not a joke. It was when A2.0 became obsolete and I realised I needed the
toolkit. "Microsoft Access Developer's Toolkit" "Advanced Development Tools"
"Version 2.0", it says on the now-brown package. I think I got one of the last
in the country. Do you want me to read what it says on the back...perhaps
another time...

The point is, let MS, who reads these ng's, object.
OF COURSE IT'S ALLOWED. HAVE A CURRENT LICENSE.

Chris
 
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david epsom dot com dot au

Give me a URL. My URL even says you can COPY the damn older CD's
(...it's ok, my heartbeat is going down a bit now...)


I'll show you mine if you show me yours:

"Downgrade rights apply to volume license customers only"
Office Developer Previous Versions
http://www.microsoft.com/office/previous/developer/default.asp


"I just got off the phone with someone from the Legal Dept. at
MS and you CAN NOT downgrade a retail version XP or 2000"
Various Runtime/Redist sizes
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...group=microsoft.public.access.*&start=10&sa=N


Like I said, this was change around Y2000: it may well have
changed back. What have you got?
Whilst Runtime can be given by a developer, it is limited to supplying
their legitimate package, even in A2.0.

Sure: one option might be to see if they can find a local developer
to do that. I haven taken over maintenance of existing applications
before: I'll do it again when the opportunity arises.
Do you refer to Mandy or me? I still distribute several apps still
Mandy.

Cheers
(david)
 
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david epsom dot com dot au

"on a case-by-case basis by special permission".

Of course, for all I know 'mandy' may be a volume license customer.

Still, this is clearly different from the pre-95, pre-2000,
and post-2000 positions.

(david)
 

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