A question only a typist would love...

B

Bill Weylock

In all the years I have been using MS products for the Mac, the convention
has been Cmd-arrow to advance or go back one whole word at a time. Same
thing for deleting one word at a time.

Seems to me now that Word and Entourage behave differently, and it does not
seem entirely predictable.


In Entourage it seems you advance with Cmd but have to go back using Opt.
Did someone stay up late worrying about how to annoy me? I would figure its
something to do with Windows compatibility except that Control-arrow works
forward and back in Word XP.

Is there a good help file or info article on this? Or can someone just clue
me in?

I¹ve always selected text a paragraph at a time with Cmd-Shift-Arrow. That
doesn¹t seem to work anymore either.

Sigh.


Best,


- Bill
 
W

Walt Basil

In all the years I have been using MS products for the Mac, the convention
has been Cmd-arrow to advance or go back one whole word at a time. Same
thing for deleting one word at a time.

Seems to me now that Word and Entourage behave differently, and it does not
seem entirely predictable.


In Entourage it seems you advance with Cmd but have to go back using Opt.
Did someone stay up late worrying about how to annoy me? I would figure its
something to do with Windows compatibility except that Control-arrow works
forward and back in Word XP.

Is there a good help file or info article on this? Or can someone just clue
me in?
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Click on Help>Entourage Help and type in "keyboard shortcut"
Microsoft Entourage keyboard shortcuts
You can quickly accomplish tasks you perform frequently by using shortcut
keys ‹ one or more keys you press on the keyboard to complete a task. For
example, pressing z+F opens the Find dialog box, just as clicking Find on
the Edit menu opens the Find dialog box.
Note Settings in some versions of the Macintosh operating system and some
utility programs might conflict with keyboard shortcuts and function key
operations in Microsoft Office. See Help for your version of the Macintosh
operating system or your utility program for information about changing
their keyboard shortcuts and function key settings.
Keyboard shortcuts for working with items
€ Keys for common Microsoft Entourage functions
€ Keys for working in windows and dialog boxes
€ Keys for working with the Message list
€ Keys for assigning items to categories
€ Keys for searching
€ Keys for working with notes
€ Keys for working with tasks
€ Keys for using the Calendar
€ Keys for using the Address Book
€ Keys for using the Project Center
€ Keys for using the Help window
Keyboard shortcuts for messages
€ Keys for reading messages
€ Keys for reading grouped messages
€ Keys for creating, addressing, and sending messages
€ Keys for responding to messages
Keyboard shortcuts for editing text
€ Keys for cutting, copying, and pasting text
€ Keys for formatting text
€ Keys for Microsoft Office-style text editing
€ Keys for Macintosh-style text editing

Same thing works for Word.
 
R

Rick Copeland

I have the same issue as Bill, and Walt's response isn't exactly what we're
looking for. I know where the list of keyboard shortcuts is documented...
The problem is that the shortcuts seemed to have CHANGED from Office X to
Office 2004, for no good reason that I can see, either. For example, in
Word, forward and backward one word used to be Cmd-arrow, and now it's
Opt-arrow. Why? Is there a preference somewhere that needs to be
set/reset, or do I just have to "get used to it," as I've been trying to do?

Regards,
Rick
 
B

Bill Weylock

Walt -


Please.

When I've asked a question about a very specific keyboard shortcut,
referring me to a file that explains I "can quickly accomplish tasks you
perform frequently by using shortcut keys" is not calculated to lower my
blood pressure.
 
B

Bill Weylock

Yeah. Wish I'd said that. :)


I have the same issue as Bill, and Walt's response isn't exactly what we're
looking for. I know where the list of keyboard shortcuts is documented...
The problem is that the shortcuts seemed to have CHANGED from Office X to
Office 2004, for no good reason that I can see, either. For example, in
Word, forward and backward one word used to be Cmd-arrow, and now it's
Opt-arrow. Why? Is there a preference somewhere that needs to be
set/reset, or do I just have to "get used to it," as I've been trying to do?

Regards,
Rick
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C

Corentin Cras-Méneur [MVP]

In all the years I have been using MS products for the Mac, the convention
has been Cmd-arrow to advance or go back one whole word at a time. Same
thing for deleting one word at a time.
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Same thing with alt-delete. I really miss these shortcuts :-\

Corentin
 
C

Corentin Cras-Méneur [MVP]

When I've asked a question about a very specific keyboard shortcut,
referring me to a file that explains I "can quickly accomplish tasks you
perform frequently by using shortcut keys" is not calculated to lower my
blood pressure.
Click to expand...



I've looked into the very same shortcuts issues and couldn't find a solution.
The sad thing is that most of the shortcuts you reffer to work just fine in
Word 2004 (alt-arrow for navigation from word to word, command-arrow for
beginning or end of line, alt-del to delete the last word...).

THese are also more or less standard shortcuts in many apps. They are simply
not implemented in Entourage :-\

As I was saying, the one I miss the most is alt-delete. I'm a bad typist (and
often have to switch between keyboard layouts which doesn't help) and it'd be
a lot faster for me to delete the last word and retype it than use the arrows
or del key (or Mouse) to correct the typo and get back at the end of the wird
:-( Unfortunately, we can't.
You should send a suggestion through the Help menu (I sent one).

Corentin
 
C

Chris Ridd

Yeah. Wish I'd said that. :)


I have the same issue as Bill, and Walt's response isn't exactly what we're
looking for. I know where the list of keyboard shortcuts is documented...
The problem is that the shortcuts seemed to have CHANGED from Office X to
Office 2004, for no good reason that I can see, either. For example, in
Click to expand...
[...]
On 6/4/04 12:54 AM, in article
BCE55CAB.1AB5%[email protected], "Walt Basil"
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(Hope I got the attributions right!)

Rick Schaut, one of the developers on Mac Word, has an interesting blog and
he mentioned they changed the keyboard shortcuts in 2004 to align with
Apple's guidelines instead of with previous versions of Office. You need to
read the whole page, but Rick's mention of this change is here:

<URL:http://blogs.msdn.com/rick_schaut/archive/2004/02/28/81575.aspx#86343>

So there *was* a reason to change the shortcuts.

There's an obvious setting in Entourage's Preferences>General to switch from
Office to Mac shortcuts, however I can't see any analogue to this switch in
Word. Presumably you could set the keyboard shortcuts in
Tools>Customize>Customize Keyboard, but that's pretty longwinded.

So I think there is a way to change back again.

Cheers,

Chris
 
D

Dave Cortright

FWIW, Entourage has a preference to toggle between ³Office style² and ³Mac
style² keyboard shortcuts for text. It¹s in the General pane.
 
B

Bill Weylock

No difference that I can see in these cursor movement shortcuts.

I agree that the one I miss most is Cmd-Backspace or Opt-Backspace.

Mercifully, it still works in Word.

I don¹t quite get the text selection combs either, but I¹m sure I can get
used to them.

They should make office behavior consistent across programs, but I would
hate to see them go farther with this ³follow Apple guidelines² stuff. MS
had it right.
 
W

Walt Basil

I'm sorry. I must have misunderstood you. You were asking about keyboard
shortcuts, and specifically asked:

So I gave you the help file to locate information on keyboard shortcuts.

If that's not what you were asking for, then I apologize.


Walt
 
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Corentin Cras-Méneur [MVP]

FWIW, Entourage has a preference to toggle between ³Office style² and ³Mac
style² keyboard shortcuts for text. It¹s in the General pane.
Click to expand...

Yeah, unfortunately, it makes absolutely no difference for these shortcuts
:-\


Corentin
 
B

Bill Weylock

Nah... I appreciate the attention. I was in a bad mood this morning, and you
could easily have thought that would be helpful.

Sorry to snap. It was uncalled for. The other response you got was what a
gentlemen would have said. :)


Best,


- Bill
 
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