am and pm missing in event dialogue since Tiger?

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Hi

It might just be on my machine but I've just noticed (since installing
Tiger, which has been otherwise trouble free) that the option to set am
or pm in the time fields in events is missing. It still works as you
can use 24 hr clock. Did I imagine that there was am or pm there
before? Is this just me? Actually I find it better that they are not
there because it's two less mouse clicks when setting up an event. But
I am worried incase anything else is broken. FYI it's Entourage 2004
latest.

Cheers
 
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D

D said:
Hi

It might just be on my machine but I've just noticed (since installing
Tiger, which has been otherwise trouble free) that the option to set am
or pm in the time fields in events is missing. It still works as you
can use 24 hr clock. Did I imagine that there was am or pm there
before? Is this just me? Actually I find it better that they are not
there because it's two less mouse clicks when setting up an event. But
I am worried incase anything else is broken. FYI it's Entourage 2004
latest.
Click to expand...

Update: I've just checked on my powerbook as well. It's the same: no am
or pm. Rebuilt database and checked tried changing to and from 24 hour
clock in system prefs>date and time.

Weird - or not?
 
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Michel Bintener

Hi,
I'm still using Panther (how old-fashioned, I know!), and changing the time
format setting in the International section of the System Preferences does
the job for me. When you changed the format, did you make sure to quit
Entourage first, and then launch it again after applying the changes? Also,
what time format is your system clock normally set to, 12-hour or 24-hour? I
assume it's 12-hour, since your e-mail address is British, but there are
some weird people on those islands... ;-)

Michel
 
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Paul Berkowitz

It's not the System Clock that's relevant to Entourage (although, speaking
of which, the System Clock has frequently "forgotten" that I like the
seconds displayed there). It's System
Preferences/International/Formats/Times.

It sounds as if your time format somehow got changed during the upgrade to
Tiger. Go there now. It's actually changed a little. The first thing is to
check the "Regions" popup at the top. In your case that should read "United
Kingdom". I notice that United Kingdom time format is now showing as a
24-hour clock. That might be a bug, or maybe the UK has changed its format
to be more European, or maybe Apple just thinks they have. Probably a bug.
The dates are correct for UK.

Anyway, click the Customize button next to Times. It's more complicated to
make changes now than it used to be. Click the "19" (or whatever the first
number is) in the field at the top and select 1-12 in the drop-down list.
Type a space after the "08" (minutes) at the end. Then drag the "PM" button
from below up to the field at the top, at the end. That should fix the
display for Short format. But you must NOT click OK yet! Change all the
other formats: Medium, Long and Full in the same way. THEN click OK.

You should now see the examples correct (12:34 AM, 4:56 PM), and your menu
clock time too (except it will have lost its seconds if you like to show
them - now go to Date & Time and fix that again). Your Region is now marked
as "Custom".

Now quit and relaunch Entourage, and all the times will be correct there
too. Entourage just pick up your system time.

For some reason, Apple got it wrong for UK and included you in continental
European time formats. I can imagine the row this is going to cause. Get it
fixed for OS 10.4.2 by making a fuss. Or has the UK really changed this
format? I don't believe it...

--
Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
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D

D

Paul said:
It's not the System Clock that's relevant to Entourage (although, speaking
of which, the System Clock has frequently "forgotten" that I like the
seconds displayed there). It's System
Preferences/International/Formats/Times.
Click to expand...

<snip>

Right on the nail as usual, Paul. Thanks. I've been and changed the
prefs you suggest and all is back to normal again.
For some reason, Apple got it wrong for UK and included you in continental
European time formats. I can imagine the row this is going to cause. Get it
fixed for OS 10.4.2 by making a fuss. Or has the UK really changed this
format? I don't believe it...
Click to expand...

Most people here operate on 12 hour clocks unless we are talking
railway timetables and the like. Officially (by which I mean the BBC
and the armed forces etc), when using 24 hour format midnight is 00:00.
Personally, I think that's the best way because it removes any
confusion about what to do about the 24:00 hrs and imeidiataely after
and makes 12:00 unambigously mid day. As I said in my original post, I
actually prefer the 24 hour clock version of an event dialogue (without
the AM and the PM) because there's two less mouse clicks or tab actions
when setting up an event. So now that I know nothing is broken I'll
probably use 24 hour.
 
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Neto

I think the problem is even worst Paul.

I live in Brazil so I set Tiger's International/Format/Times to Portuguese
Brazil.

Entourage was set to Brasilia time zone.

And Calendar broke. Didn't accept new appointments.

I figured out it was something to do with the date format. So after reading
your AM/PM answer I did that:

Set Tiger's International/Format/Times to United States and Entourage too.
Then, set Entourage to Brasilia and finally edited the US Tiger format to my
needs (dd/mm/yy).

Only then Calendar was back to normal.

Hope it helps other international users...

neto
 
C

Corentin Cras-Méneur

Paul Berkowitz said:
t sounds as if your time format somehow got changed during the upgrade to
Tiger. Go there now. It's actually changed a little. The first thing is to
check the "Regions" popup at the top. In your case that should read "United
Kingdom". I notice that United Kingdom time format is now showing as a
24-hour clock. That might be a bug, or maybe the UK has changed its format
to be more European, or maybe Apple just thinks they have. Probably a bug.
The dates are correct for UK.
Click to expand...


It is indeed a bug. There are other similar prefs that you cannot
properly set up in Tiger anymroe. Lets hope 10.4.1 will be released soon
adn will take care of these little annoyances :-\


Corentin
 
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Barry Wainwright

There was a calendaring issue with Brasilia in an earlier version of
entourage, but I thought that had been fixed in an update. I see you are
running the latest update, so maybe they broke something again - I'll see
what I can find out.
 
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