HTML mails never show pictures

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Franky De Smet-Van Damme

I notice that all of the html mails show the X sign when opening.

I checked in preferences in Entourage but all seems ok.

Any suggestions.

In mail all works ok when I tested the mails but I use Entourage.

thx
 
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Tom McCatherine

I notice that all of the html mails show the X sign when opening.

I checked in preferences in Entourage but all seems ok.

Any suggestions.

In mail all works ok when I tested the mails but I use Entourage.

thx

In my case, such messages are immediately preceded by the statement:

"To protect your privacy, some pictures in this message were not
downloaded."

This is followed by a hot link that says "Download pictures" -- click on
this and the pictures show up in the message.

Tom
 
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Jack McDonald

I too am very annoyed at this. The MS Office gurus have said that they
do this for security reasons and that to prevent this you must add the
senders e-mail to your personal address book.

I continue to add these addresses to my address book and in fact many
were already there and I continue to get HTML e-mails with no photos
and graphics.

This is a silly and extrmely annoying feature for those that want to
view (& SEND!!!!) html e-mail.

Let's hope the gurus can fix this.

Jack

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Paul Berkowitz

The gurus don't want to "fix" this. It _is_ fixed fro how it was before.
Complex HTML (with links to pictures on websites) is an avenue for spammers
and potentially viruses to attack your computer, or at least garner
information. In previous versions of Entourage, you could only have it ON or
OFF, period. Many people complained about that, saying they would like
per-message control, so you could turn it on for senders you trust.

So that's exactly what MS implemented in 2004. That's how they fixed it. All
it takes is one click "Download pictures" to see them. Nothing whatsoever is
being withheld from you. Just click the clink. And, yes, you can also enable
the preference to allow all links (pictures) from members of your Address
Book and mailing lists to download automatically. This seems to me to be the
best of all worlds. Why would anyone want to change it?

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Franky De Smet-Van Damme

The gurus don't want to "fix" this. It _is_ fixed fro how it was before.
Complex HTML (with links to pictures on websites) is an avenue for spammers
and potentially viruses to attack your computer, or at least garner
information. In previous versions of Entourage, you could only have it ON or
OFF, period. Many people complained about that, saying they would like
per-message control, so you could turn it on for senders you trust.

So that's exactly what MS implemented in 2004. That's how they fixed it. All
it takes is one click "Download pictures" to see them. Nothing whatsoever is
being withheld from you. Just click the clink. And, yes, you can also enable
the preference to allow all links (pictures) from members of your Address
Book and mailing lists to download automatically. This seems to me to be the
best of all worlds. Why would anyone want to change it?
Hi Paul,

Ok makes alot a sense

To be really honest with you I did'nt noticed you could download the
pictures just did and indeed it works perfect.

frank
 
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Jack McDonald

Paul Berkowitz said:
The gurus don't want to "fix" this. It _is_ fixed fro how it was before.
Complex HTML (with links to pictures on websites) is an avenue for spammers
and potentially viruses to attack your computer, or at least garner
information. In previous versions of Entourage, you could only have it ON or
OFF, period. Many people complained about that, saying they would like
per-message control, so you could turn it on for senders you trust.

So that's exactly what MS implemented in 2004. That's how they fixed it. All
it takes is one click "Download pictures" to see them. Nothing whatsoever is
being withheld from you. Just click the clink. And, yes, you can also enable
the preference to allow all links (pictures) from members of your Address
Book and mailing lists to download automatically. This seems to me to be the
best of all worlds. Why would anyone want to change it?

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Paul,

I am using MS OFFice 2004 and you guys are wrong for not allowing us
to see the photos in html e-mail.

It is also wrong for someone to tell us that having the address of the
sender in our address book to automatically view the photos and
graphics.

This does not happen.

Again us users (who pay cash for the products) know that the issue in
spamming is not the photos and graphics, but the fact that these
e-mails get to us.

I thought that is what the MS Office Junk Mail feature is for?????


Please, Please, please fix this!!!!!
 
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Paul Berkowitz

I am using MS OFFice 2004 and you guys are wrong for not allowing us
to see the photos in html e-mail.

Here we go again. "You guys"? I'm just a user like you, who got an award. I
don't work for Microsoft.

<http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;mvpfaqs>

And what in the world do you mean by "not allowed"? All you have to do is
click the link in the yellow bar at the top that says "Download pictures".
That's one little click. That's what my last message said already. Did you
not even try it? Go take a look at one of those messages, and click the
link - it's as simple as that.
It is also wrong for someone to tell us that having the address of the
sender in our address book to automatically view the photos and
graphics.

This does not happen.

It's not wrong. You also have to set that option in
Entourage/Preferences/Security.

Check both boxes:

ˆ Display complex HTML in messages
ˆ Automatically download messages form senders in my Address Book

By default, the second one is off. Just turn it on.

All this is in the Help. You just have to spend a few minutes reading.
Again us users (who pay cash for the products) know that the issue in
spamming is not the photos and graphics, but the fact that these
e-mails get to us.

Most weblinks to pictures on websites contains HTML code that confirms that
your email address is live and valid as soon as you open one of those
messages and click to view the pictures. That information gets your email
address added to a list of "live addresses" which is then sold to other
spammers. They pay good money for these lists. That increases the number of
people spamming you 100-fold immediately, possibly 100,000-fold in short
time as they all sell your address on to each other. But that's just the
least of it. They can also send you viruses that might attack your address
book. On the Mac, unlike Windows, that (at least currently) requires your
participation by double-clicking an attachment. Still, why get more and more
people sending you these things? There are also other ways that two-way HTML
code might be used in future to get around restrictions.
I thought that is what the MS Office Junk Mail feature is for?????

That just controls which spam gets into your inbox, and can never be 100%
perfect anyway. But that's a totally different issue.
Please, Please, please fix this!!!!!

There's nothing to fix. And you don't get anywhere by becoming hysterical.
Please calm down. Just try clicking the "Download pictures" link and go set
the preference to allow pictures in messages from Address Book contacts to
download automatically.


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matt neuburg

Paul Berkowitz said:
Check both boxes:

√ Display complex HTML in messages
√ Automatically download messages form senders in my Address Book

By default, the second one is off. Just turn it on.

All this is in the Help

Except that it isn't. There's nothing in the Help about "Automatically
download pictures from senders in my Address Book." And there are two
big problems with that:

(1) It is utterly unclear what happens if the box is unchecked. The
reason is that this imperative has two opposites; it might be:

(a) "Don't automatically download any pictures", or

(b) "Automatically download all pictures, not just those from the
Address book folks."

(2) It is not clear how this option interacts with various other
options, such as leaving big email partially on the server, and the
display of complex HTML.

In any case, *no* combination of settings has enabled me to see those
rare images I do want to see. Since they are rare, I don't much care; I
can (and do) ask my correspondents to resend with the images as pure
attachments. But the fact remains that this feature is working
undependably and that it is not very well documented. What's needed is a
case-based explanation, e.g. "If you want to be able to see images in
HTML mail, do this." m.
 
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Paul Berkowitz

Except that it isn't. There's nothing in the Help about "Automatically
download pictures from senders in my Address Book."

Sorry, you're right. The final decisions on these prefs were made long after
the Help was prepared. (At one point, there was not going to be an option to
allow automatic downloads from members of the Address Book, since spammers
and virus-mongers so frequently spoof addresses which may well be in your
address book if you were in the address book where you address was found in
the first place. In the end, it was decided that providing the option is
something many users would want. It's off by default so that it's your own
responsibility if you turn it on. Even on, messages purporting to come from
you yourself will not automatically download web pictures since that is the
most common sort of virus spoof.


And there are two
big problems with that:

(1) It is utterly unclear what happens if the box is unchecked. The
reason is that this imperative has two opposites; it might be:

(a) "Don't automatically download any pictures", or

(b) "Automatically download all pictures, not just those from the
Address book folks."

OK, you've got a point there. But it's pretty obvious what happens, since
the defaults are in fact to display complex HTML but NOT to download
pictures automatically form members of your address book. You will see that
the very first such message from someone not in your address book (as,
frankly, most complex HTML comes from companies trying to sell you
something) does not download pictures.
(2) It is not clear how this option interacts with various other
options, such as leaving big email partially on the server, and the
display of complex HTML.
In any case, *no* combination of settings has enabled me to see those
rare images I do want to see. Since they are rare, I don't much care; I
can (and do) ask my correspondents to resend with the images as pure
attachments. But the fact remains that this feature is working
undependably and that it is not very well documented. What's needed is a
case-based explanation, e.g. "If you want to be able to see images in
HTML mail, do this." m.

This is the first I've heard of people not being able to get this to work.
Honestly. Yes, if you only download 20 KB or whatever of a message, you'd
first have to download the complete message.

The prefs and the Help are also not at all clear that there are two,
actually three, very different kinds of "pictures" in email messages. One
kind is this sort of image uploaded on a website somewhere, with the HTML
message providing a link to it. This is the sort of picture that "Download
pictures" and "automatically download from Address Book" provides. and
because of the links is the sort that might invade your privacy.

But there is a completely different kind of picture ; graphics sent as
attachments or inserted inline (by those email apps which can insert) by the
senders. That kind of picture is controlled by a completely different
preference, in Preferences/Mail & News/View/Show attached pictures and
movies in messages. (This pref _is_ discussed in the Help.) That one is on
by default , I think, but I've forgotten. Perhaps you turned that off?
Again, you absolutely would have to fully download a message before this can
work. In fact this is the major reason why people on dialup would use the
"partial download" account option: graphics attachments and insertions are
usually very large.

Matt, with all these options set correctly, there's no reason why you should
not be able to "download pictures" once you have downloaded the complete
message. Simply downloading the complete message should give you the
attached and inserted graphics, and the "Download pictures" link should get
you complex HTML display if complex HTML is also on. If that isn't working,
then I think the problem must be with your ISP and it's method of storing
messages on the server. I've really never heard of this problem before. Can
you try in Entourage X, or if you don't have that, in Outlook Express (free
download) in Classic?

Agreed the Help isn't at all clear on these various preferences. It's not
entirely the Help writers' fault since the prefs weren't in place when they
made the Help. (The Help is written long in advance of release since it then
has to be translated into the various localizations.)


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matt neuburg

Paul Berkowitz said:
The prefs and the Help are also not at all clear that there are two,
actually three, very different kinds of "pictures" in email messages

Quite so. I regard this as a bug. Since it is not made clear what is
meant by "picture", one can't figure out how to work these settings. By
dumbing down the checkbox captions to the point of meaninglessness,
Microsoft has confused its users. That is part of what people have been
complaining about on this and related threads, and I think they are
perfectly right to do so.
But there is a completely different kind of picture ; graphics sent as
attachments or inserted inline (by those email apps which can insert) by the
senders. That kind of picture is controlled by a completely different
preference, in Preferences/Mail & News/View/Show attached pictures and
movies in messages. (This pref _is_ discussed in the Help.) That one is on
by default , I think, but I've forgotten. Perhaps you turned that off?

Yes. But I should still be able to fetch the picture. I can't. In other
words, I get a message with big rectangle with an X in the middle of it
and a link saying, click this link to get the picture. I click the link
and the link goes away, but I still see the big rectangle with an X in
the middle of it. No attachment has appeared and no picture has
appeared. It has vanished into the ether.

As I said before, this does not much bother me; I just write back to my
correspondent and say, please attach the picture as an attachment, don't
paste it into the message (thus generating implicit html mail). Still, I
think it is reasonable to suggest that the fact that the picture is
completely stripped and cannot be obtained is a bug. Mailsmith, which I
have just switched from, did not show the picture either (it doesn't do
html mail at all) but at least it provided it as an attachment. m.
 
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matt neuburg

Incidentally, that is another complaint (which, again, I've made in a
separate thread). I have that pref turned off, but I still see pictures.
So, as I've said before, on the one hand Microsoft is claiming to
protect me from dirty or spam pictures; but on the other hand it is NOT
protecting me from these, since I still see them, and at the same time
it *is* preventing me from seeing the pictures that I *want* to see
(those pasted in by a friend).

So for example at the present moment my settings are: display complex
html, OFF; automatically download pictures, OFF; show pictures and
movies, OFF. Nevertheless I have just this second received a spam
message and all I see is a picture! There is an attached gif and I am
also being shown that gif as the body of the message. So how am I
protected from pictures? I'm not. How am I protected from pictures in
spam in particular? I'm not.

So, I'm sorry, Paul, but facts are facts. Microsoft may have *meant* to
do a good thing, but the actual result is not good at all. m.
 
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Paul Berkowitz

Quite so. I regard this as a bug. Since it is not made clear what is
meant by "picture", one can't figure out how to work these settings. By
dumbing down the checkbox captions to the point of meaninglessness,
Microsoft has confused its users. That is part of what people have been
complaining about on this and related threads, and I think they are
perfectly right to do so.


Yes. But I should still be able to fetch the picture. I can't. In other
words, I get a message with big rectangle with an X in the middle of it
and a link saying, click this link to get the picture. I click the link
and the link goes away, but I still see the big rectangle with an X in
the middle of it. No attachment has appeared and no picture has
appeared. It has vanished into the ether.

Hold on a minute. With _this_ type of picture (a graphic attached or
inserted into the message, NOT on a website) and you have the pref set to
"display pictures or movies in messages" OFF, AND you only partially
download large messages, then that's why the attachment isn't there. If you
then download the full message, it should indeed appear as an attachment.
Clicking on this sort of red X won't do anything. I don't believe that this
type of picture will even have a link "Download pictures" since it's not on
a website to be downloaded. You can open the attachment, however, or you can
change your pref to display pictures.

Now there might be a bug to do with _inserted_ pictures (the "third type")
in HTML messages. These are quite new, as far as Entourage is concerned. I
think they probably ought to be seen as attachments if you choose not to
display them, but perhaps they're not. They are definitely not seen as
attachments when he pref is to display them. Perhaps these inserted graphics
are not accessible unless you choose to display them. These types of
pictures can't do you any harm - there's no interaction.
As I said before, this does not much bother me; I just write back to my
correspondent and say, please attach the picture as an attachment, don't
paste it into the message (thus generating implicit html mail). Still, I
think it is reasonable to suggest that the fact that the picture is
completely stripped and cannot be obtained is a bug. Mailsmith, which I
have just switched from, did not show the picture either (it doesn't do
html mail at all) but at least it provided it as an attachment. m.

I think that would be a good fall-back if you chose not to display. As best
I recall, that's what happened way back when Entourage (or maybe we have to
go all the way back to OE) couldn't display inserted graphics.


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Paul Berkowitz

Incidentally, that is another complaint (which, again, I've made in a
separate thread). I have that pref turned off, but I still see pictures.
So, as I've said before, on the one hand Microsoft is claiming to
protect me from dirty or spam pictures; but on the other hand it is NOT
protecting me from these, since I still see them, and at the same time
it *is* preventing me from seeing the pictures that I *want* to see
(those pasted in by a friend).


I may have this wrong, but I don't believe that Microsoft is in any way
claiming to protect you from dirt pictures or setting up as a nanny.
Certainly that's what MS's MSN client can do ("parental control"). My
understanding is that it's just protecting you from _interactive HTML_ that
can invade your privacy. That's what the "Download pictures" is about, and I
agree that it should provide a bit more information about what sort of
"pictures" it means in this context. It's referring to source links to
websites that can get information about your computer. It's your own risk if
you choose to "Download pictures" or enable automatic downloading from
members of your Address Book.

Microsoft is not setting up to protect you from other pictures, and, as far
as I am aware, the "View" option to "Display pictures and movies in
messages" is ON by default, because it can't do you any harm. they provide
an option to turn it off, like you did, because they know that some people
don't like pictures at all in email. Such people may be old fogies who
preferred the good old days when all email was plain text, people who
dislike all the advertising coming down the chute, and perhaps people who
don't want to see "dirty pictures", I guess. I'm not sure how easy or
difficult it would be to make _this_ pref a per-message option too, but it
certainly isn't at the moment. They may be counting on the fact that most
people who want to see no pictures, really want to see no pictures at all.

I agree 100% that calling the other type (web-linked) option "pictures"
would definitely lead anyone to believe that it would apply to all types of
picture, including this type. So they either have to make viewing attached
and inserted pictures a per-message option included in the "Download
pictures" thing, or at least change that link name to something like "Allow
interactive HTML".

As a practical matter, I'd advise you to turn the "View pictures and movies
in messages" ON but keep your other prefs (Address Book downloads OFF,
partial download ON) as they are. Then, if you get a message where you
expect an inserted graphic, download the whole message. Inserted graphics
aren't going to do you any harm.
So for example at the present moment my settings are: display complex
html, OFF; automatically download pictures, OFF; show pictures and
movies, OFF. Nevertheless I have just this second received a spam
message and all I see is a picture! There is an attached gif and I am
also being shown that gif as the body of the message. So how am I
protected from pictures? I'm not. How am I protected from pictures in
spam in particular? I'm not.

I don't believe that's how they mean to protect you from spam. The Junk
filter on High is what's supposed to do that, but it's not perfect. (That
said, I'm getting very little spam at the moment.) Bit with show pictures
and movies, OFF, you shouldn't be seeing that GIF. That's a bug.
So, I'm sorry, Paul, but facts are facts. Microsoft may have *meant* to
do a good thing, but the actual result is not good at all. m.

I think you have partially misunderstood their intent too. But they
certainly aren't doing a great job explaining what they mean by "pictures".


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matt neuburg

Paul Berkowitz said:
with show
pictures and movies, OFF, you shouldn't be seeing that GIF. That's a
bug.

Fine. That is point number one that I'm making. And it's point number
one that a lot of other people are making. We're all jiggling this
switch back and forth and saying, "What does this thing DO?" One thing
it evidently does NOT do is keep me from seeing pictures in my email. I
don't care WHY Microsoft or I think I might not wish to see pictures in
my email. I simply say that, since this option is present, I'd like it
to work. I don't think it does. m.
 
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Jack McDonald

Paul,

Thx for all your help and No I do not know who you work for.

The many, many features of all MS products are all very, very
confusing and frankly most are not necessary.

Thx for your answers and help and hope someone at MS reads these
threads.

Jack
 
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