Option gone: "After sending, move to ..."

[podbay]

Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)
Processor: Intel
Email Client: pop

Does anyone have ANY idea why the braintrust at Microsoft decided to eliminate the feature that allows you to save a message you are about to send to a specific folder after you send it? I just loaded the 2008 product, and am sitting here in stunned disbelief that this feature has been removed from Entourage. I mean, seriously, WTF? This is beyond astonishing. This is a standard feature in MS Outlook, and I use it heavily on my Windows machine, and until a few minutes ago, always on my MacBook with Entourage. How could this happen? How could the programmers upgrading Entourage decide that this function was expendable, whereas its equivalent in Outlook continues to be a standard feature?

Now every time we send a message, we must copy it to Sent Messages, then go into Sent Messages and move it from there to the appropriate folder. What a supreme waste of time.

I want to cry. This is SUCH a letdown.

 

[Barry Wainwright]

Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)
Processor: Intel
Email Client: pop

Does anyone have ANY idea why the braintrust at Microsoft decided to
eliminate the feature that allows you to save a message you are about to send
to a specific folder after you send it? I just loaded the 2008 product, and
am sitting here in stunned disbelief that this feature has been removed from
Entourage. I mean, seriously, WTF? This is beyond astonishing. This is a
standard feature in MS Outlook, and I use it heavily on my Windows machine,
and until a few minutes ago, always on my MacBook with Entourage. How could
this happen? How could the programmers upgrading Entourage decide that this
function was expendable, whereas its equivalent in Outlook continues to be a
standard feature?

Now every time we send a message, we must copy it to Sent Messages, then go
into Sent Messages and move it from there to the appropriate folder. What a
supreme waste of time.

I want to cry. This is SUCH a letdown.

It's still there. Bottom of the 'Message' menu when you have a draft
message window open for editing.

With the new interface changes, a few commands and functions have moved
around - it's worth spending a few minutes getting familiar with
everything.

 

[William Smith]

It's still there. Bottom of the 'Message' menu when you have a draft
message window open for editing.

With the new interface changes, a few commands and functions have moved
around - it's worth spending a few minutes getting familiar with
everything.

Adding to Barry's comment... Only the menu button has disappeared; the
command has moved to a different menu as he's already said.

Please be sure to let Microsoft know you'd like to see the menu button
return in future versions by using the Help --> Send Feedback mechanism
in any Office application.

--

bill

William M. Smith, Microsoft Interop MVP - Mac/Windows
Entourage Help Page <http://entourage.mvps.org/>
Entourage Help Blog <http://blog.entourage.mvps.org/>
YouTalk <http://nine.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/youtalk>

 

[podbay]

Barry and Bill: Thank you both for your responses. Barry, I did find these options in the Message Menu, thank you for directing me to that menu. Bill, I did send feedback via the Help->Send Feedback mechanism, asking that the Menu Button for Options be returned to the Toolbar.

My reaction, emotional as it may seem, is because I can't wrap my mind around why this basic function would be removed to a drop-down menu. I can't fathom how such a decision might have been reached by the Mac/Office senior staff, as if this was something not used or not valued by Mac Office users, and yet in MS Office Outlook, it's standard and basic.

Again, thanks for responding to my query/rant.

Kind regards,
Randy (podbay)

 

[Barry Wainwright]

My reaction, emotional as it may seem, is because I can't wrap my mind around
why this basic function would be removed to a drop-down menu. I can't fathom
how such a decision might have been reached by the Mac/Office senior staff,
as if this was something not used or not valued by Mac Office users, and yet
in MS Office Outlook, it's standard and basic.

it's always been in the menu, what has been lost is the toolbar button.

Toolbars got a major workout in this release and I guess they had to
prioritise on what their feedback suggested was most important to the
majority of users. Personally I almost never use that option (in either
entourage or outlook). Different people use the apps in different ways -
your 'must have' feature is not the same as everyone elses, and
vice-versa.

(but, it' good to blow off steam once in a while

 

[podbay]

I did find a "Move To" button when I tried to customize my toolbar, so have moved added that button accordingly.

I agree with JR's frustration. The other feature still missing from Entourage is the ability to add a hyperlink to a message, unless you have that "Applelinks" tab which allows one to use the "Make Hyperlinks X" function. I had no idea about this until someone told me about it in a previous message after I inquired about it a year ago.

So my question to Barry and Bill would be: why is this option, i.e., to add a hyperlink to a message in HTML in Entourage, not offered as a simple command? In Outlook, one highlights text and clicks on the Hyperlinks button. Again to me, this is such a no-brainer that I was beyond stunned when I saw that it wasn't an option in Entourage. If I was looking to advise on changes to the next upgrade, this option would be on the top of my wishlist.

- podbay

 

[William Smith [MVP]]

So my question to Barry and Bill would be: why is this option, i.e.,
to add a hyperlink to a message in HTML in Entourage, not offered as
a simple command? In Outlook, one highlights text and clicks on the
Hyperlinks button. Again to me, this is such a no-brainer that I was
beyond stunned when I saw that it wasn't an option in Entourage. If I
was looking to advise on changes to the next upgrade, this option
would be on the top of my wishlist.

Neither Barry nor I work for Microsoft. We are simply volunteers here.
We can't tell you what is behind Microsoft's thinking.

Allowing the author to insert a hyperlink is kind of a misnomer. The
receiving E-mail client will make links clickable, not the sending
E-mail client. So long as you precede a web address with "http://" or
something similar then your recipient will be able to click the link
even though you can't do so while you're composing the message.

Embedding hyperlinks in words or pictures is not supported in Entourage
because *complex* HTML is not supported. Entourage supports *simple*
HTML, which is akin to Outlook's Rich Text Format.

So, why doesn't Microsoft include complex HTML in Entourage? That can
only be answered by Microsoft. I'd say it simply hasn't been a priority
compared to other features they thought their customers needed more.

--

bill

Entourage Help Page <http://entourage.mvps.org/>
Entourage Help Blog <http://blog.entourage.mvps.org/>
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[Diane Ross]

So, why doesn't Microsoft include complex HTML in Entourage? That can
only be answered by Microsoft. I'd say it simply hasn't been a priority
compared to other features they thought their customers needed more.

If they add it, some security update will probably break it.

Just think you can hide the URL behind words....what better way to spam you?

 

[podbay]

Thanks again for these responses. I wasn't aware that each of you is not a Microsoft employee; for some reason I thought you were. Nonetheless, I really appreciate that you take time to address my concerns. I wasn't aware that Entourage supports simply HTML only, which explains why it can't offer the embedding of links over text in messages. I'll live with it for now.

Thanks again, everyone.