powerpoint 2007 needs hardware graphic acceleration like 2002

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2007 graphics is slow unlike 2002

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Patrick Schmid

It's beta software and that is to be expected. Once Office 2007 is
released, graphics speed should be up to par with 2003 (or better).

Patrick Schmid
 
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ADR

I do not know if it needs graphics acceleration, but the present version is
undeniably very slow and difficult to work with. I think that "live preview"
certainly affects performance.
 
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Patrick Schmid

Hi ADR,

It could be worse. Beta 2 is rather fast compared to the earlier
(non-public) beta versions. You might want to try to decrease your
hardware acceleration. As weird as this sounds, this might actually give
you better performance in PowerPoint. To do this, go into Control Panel,
Display, Settings, Advanced, Troubleshoot and reduce the setting of the
slider there.
This has been a proven measure to deal with performance problems in
PowerPoint, and not just 2007. I have myself a top-of-the-line graphics
card, but PPT 2007 is faster for me if I reduce hardware acceleration by
one or two notches.

Patrick Schmid
 
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ADR

Patrick,

Thank you for the suggestion. I may try it. To be honest, I gave
Powerpoint 2007 a good try and I completed a rather complex presentation on
it. I have to say that I was underwhelmed. In fact, I found that tasks that
were easy to accomplish with Powerpoint 2003, became difficult with this
version. Microsoft believes that people are happier selecting a template
instead of building their own but in corporate America (instead of small
business America), this is never true. One needs to work with corporate
templates and one has to find a way occassionally to modify them ever so
slightly as to fit specific jobs. Anyway, this is not easy to accomplish
with PowerPoint 2007. Somehow, modifying the template was eliminated as part
of the "new, idiot-proof" interface. Although I may tinker with the hardware
acceleration, MS should really work hard on speeding this clanker and
allowing people to access complicated menus more easily.
 
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Patrick Schmid

Hi ADR,

Which template are you referring to? Do you mean editing the master
slide or actually modifying the theme/template that you base new
presentations on? (The terminology and what does what is a little bit
confusing in 2007). Microsoft has greatly enhanced what you can do in
this area, but it does take some time to get used to it and it is not
easy to get ones head around completely. If you are looking for a good
explanation, I suggest to start a new thread clearly labeled as
templates/themes and 2007. I know there are people frequenting this
newsgroup who have experimented successfully with those features (I
haven't yet).
If you are just looking to edit the master slide, you can get to it via
View, Slide Master.

Patrick Schmid
 
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ADR

Hi Patrick

I found out how to manipulate the template. It works well. Not very
intuitive but it will do. Yes, this new interface will take some getting
used to. The best way forward would be for Microsoft to allow old style
menus. I foresee a lot of training issues with this version.
 
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ADR

Steve,

I do not know if you saw my answer to Patrick, but I found out everything.
The only thing that I did not manage to do was to have drop shadows on fonts.
However, I may find it in a hidden dialog somewhere. I have kept my Office
2003 installation and I can easily utilize my older version of Powerpoint, if
the going gets tough. I would like to be honest and say that I did not find
anything particularly new that I would like to use in this version of
Powerpoint. It certainly does not appear compelling enough to upgrade.
Certainly, the speed issue will make it difficult to work with this version
before the official release (composing slides is slow and unresponsive,
although Patrick suggested some solutions).
 
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Patrick Schmid

Hi ADR,

Microsoft is well aware of the training issues, but do not expect to see
any old style menus. Those are dead for good and no matter how much
users will wish them back, they won't come back.
It takes a lot of time to get used to. It took me around a month to get
comfortable with it and now I definitely wouldn't want to go back. 2007
is a lot easier and better to use than 2003, once you get over the
learning issues.

Patrick
 
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ADR

You are probably right but I can say that this will definitely slow down to a
crawl the corporate adoption of this update. I 'd wished that the beta was
more usable to allow for faster familiarizaton but I will give it a good try
and see how long will it take me to get accustomed to the new interface.
Somehow, I think that MS forgot an important rule: give people choices of how
they want to work (old style menus vs. new style menus).

I was amazed how upset people became in my company of a recent very moderate
update (Lotus Notes 5 to 6); Although by no means a revolutionary change, the
differences were enough for a number of people to try hard to avoid
upgrading!!!!!
 
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Patrick Schmid

You are probably right but I can say that this will definitely slow
down to a
crawl the corporate adoption of this update. I 'd wished that the beta was
more usable to allow for faster familiarizaton but I will give it a good try
and see how long will it take me to get accustomed to the new interface.
Somehow, I think that MS forgot an important rule: give people choices of how
they want to work (old style menus vs. new style menus).
To be blunt: Microsoft does give you a choice. It's called Office 2003.
It's simply unrealistic to demand that MS maintains two UIs for the same
program. MS spent millions on developing the new UI. It's really a huge
effort (2+ years, something like 40-50 people if I remember correctly?).
If Microsoft would give you old-style menus in 2007, then a very small
number of users would only use the new ribbon (humans are by nature
averse to change). How would they be able to justify the investment into
the UI then? Even though Microsoft has a lot of money, they are not in
the business of bad business.

Patrick Schmid
 
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ADR

Hello Patrick,

Sorry for taking too long to reply to this, but I did try to reduce hardware
acceleration. It had no discernible effect and, in fact, it created problem
in other applications. So entering text and composing slides in Powerpoint
2007 is just too slow, with letters appearing with a significant lag after
keys are pressed. The whole experience is very disappointing. I hope that
the final release is not as bad.

On the other hand, I also observed that these applications retain the
"Vista" look and do not adapt to the XP Pro environment in terms of their
window specifics. So, they seem to be geared for a different graphics
environment than the one in XP. I hope that this changes in the final
release because not everybody will be buying Vista.
 
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Austin Myers

On the other hand, I also observed that these applications retain the
"Vista" look and do not adapt to the XP Pro environment in terms of their
window specifics. So, they seem to be geared for a different graphics
environment than the one in XP. I hope that this changes in the final
release because not everybody will be buying Vista.


MS has the Windows Presentation Foundation upgrade (as a service pack) in
the works for older versions of Windows. In fact it's available as a beta
for XP now. I think once the rough spots are worked out you and other XP
users will really like the results.



Austin Myers
MS PowerPoint MVP Team

Provider of PFCMedia http://www.pfcmedia.com
 
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Patrick Schmid

On the other hand, I also observed that these applications retain the
"Vista" look and do not adapt to the XP Pro environment in terms of their
window specifics. So, they seem to be geared for a different graphics
environment than the one in XP. I hope that this changes in the final
release because not everybody will be buying Vista.
If you mean the general look of the window not adapting to the WinXP
system look, then no, this won't change. That's the final look.
I don't think it is geared towards a different graphics environment. I
downloaded Vista B2, but haven't installed it yet. Once I have it
installed and running, I'll see how PPT does there, but I doubt it'll be
much of a difference.

Patrick Schmid
 
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ADR

Austin Myers said:
MS has the Windows Presentation Foundation upgrade (as a service pack) in
the works for older versions of Windows. In fact it's available as a beta
for XP now. I think once the rough spots are worked out you and other XP
users will really like the results.

Dear Austin,

Would you know where this beta is located?

Thanks
 
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ADR

Patrick Schmid said:
If you mean the general look of the window not adapting to the WinXP
system look, then no, this won't change. That's the final look.
I don't think it is geared towards a different graphics environment. I
downloaded Vista B2, but haven't installed it yet. Once I have it
installed and running, I'll see how PPT does there, but I doubt it'll be
much of a difference.

Patrick Schmid

Dear Patrick,

Thanks for the information. I do not want to double guess the marketing
mavericks of Microsoft but I think that lots of people will stick with XP
instead of going to Vista but they would like to use Office 2007. They
should not be forced to upgrade to Vista because of Office.

If MS has decided to do this, it would be unfortunate
 
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Patrick Schmid

Why would they be forced to? I have been using Office 2007 since
November on Windows XP and I don't see a single reason why I would need
Vista. That the Office windows don't look like standard Windows XP
windows is a whole different story and quite frankly, they don't look
like Vista either. They look like Office 2007 and in my opinion there is
nothing wrong about that. Skinning a programming to make it look
different from the standard OS look is a new trend that other programs
started (think FireFox, Windows Media Player, WinAMP, Trillian...just to
name a few). Why should Office not have the right to do the same? Just
because it's from Microsoft doesn't mean that Office has to follow the
Windows lead. In fact, Office often takes the lead over Windows and
Windows then later picks up a feature. For example, Office introduced
speech recognition and it was then later transferred over to Windows and
now with 2007 completely removed from Office.
If you are the MS Office division, then you happen to be the better
child in town. Office has for the past few versions always been on time.
If you have been following the news, then you know that the track record
of the Windows division is pretty bad (the plan what their next OS would
look like that they announced somewhere in the late 1990s is still not
fully implemented in Vista, which will ship in 2007). If you are the
better child in town and make a lot of profit, then you are quite free
whatever you want to do and don't need to feel strangled by what another
division with much worse behavior thinks you should do. In my opinion,
the Office UI team had any right to change the UI look and ignore
Windows on this.
I know that probably half the people here will disagree with me, and I
have heard all the arguments of why Office should look like all other
Windows programs (at least for the window itself). It's not going to
happen and everyone will have to get used to Office looking different
than other Windows programs.

Patrick Schmid
 
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ADR

Why would they be forced to? I have been using Office 2007 since
November on Windows XP and I don't see a single reason why I would need
Vista. That the Office windows don't look like standard Windows XP
windows is a whole different story and quite frankly, they don't look
like Vista either. They look like Office 2007 and in my opinion there is
nothing wrong about that. Skinning a programming to make it look
different from the standard OS look is a new trend that other programs
started (think FireFox, Windows Media Player, WinAMP, Trillian...just to
name a few). Why should Office not have the right to do the same? Just
because it's from Microsoft doesn't mean that Office has to follow the
Windows lead.

I am sure that this has been discussed ad nauseum, but I do think that the
OS should impose some limits on "creativity" for consistency. To be honest,
I am not thrilled about any of the color schemes in the current beta (I am
sure that the final product would have additional choices).
In fact, Office often takes the lead over Windows and
Windows then later picks up a feature. For example, Office introduced
speech recognition and it was then later transferred over to Windows and
now with 2007 completely removed from Office.

I would have much preferred if MS spent time and effort to make the
applications smarter than they currently are and should steer clear of voice
recognition. My reaction to the current beta is that (a) Word seems to have
been marginally improved (b) Excel is not that much changed and (c)
Powerpoint is unusable because it is exceedingly slow (with hardware
acceleration on or off). The new interface has been a disappointment for me.
I was quite comfortable with the previous one and I just do no see any
benefits from this one at all. If I needed to do something that took too
many keystrokes, I built a macro. I just do not need the huge screen waste
for the current "ribbon". Especially, on widescreen laptops most of what the
users would see on the screen would be the interface!!!
If you are the MS Office division, then you happen to be the better
child in town. Office has for the past few versions always been on time.
If you have been following the news, then you know that the track record
of the Windows division is pretty bad (the plan what their next OS would
look like that they announced somewhere in the late 1990s is still not
fully implemented in Vista, which will ship in 2007). If you are the
better child in town and make a lot of profit, then you are quite free
whatever you want to do and don't need to feel strangled by what another
division with much worse behavior thinks you should do. In my opinion,
the Office UI team had any right to change the UI look and ignore
Windows on this.

OK...but they should consider the users and not just the beginners or the
computerphobes. Computers are productivity machines and we do not need
anything that will slow us down. Take Word for instance. It still does not
do outline documents in a clever way...it is just too stupid for them. Even
the current version fails at this. And there is no way of "teaching" the
software. I would throw all the "ribbons" in the waste basket and work on
having software that learns and adopts and fits you like a glove. And give
this message from me to the developers in MS. Very few people have massive
21 inch screens and most people would like to see their document (or as much
of it) and not have the program take over most of the screen real-estate.

I know that probably half the people here will disagree with me, and I
have heard all the arguments of why Office should look like all other
Windows programs (at least for the window itself). It's not going to
happen and everyone will have to get used to Office looking different
than other Windows programs.

Possibly..or it would be a commercial flop and then MS would have to make
changes. And I simply do not like that mentality. The customer should be
the target here of any improvements not the pride of any development division.
 
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Patrick Schmid

I am sure that this has been discussed ad nauseum, but I do think
that the
OS should impose some limits on "creativity" for consistency. To be honest,
I am not thrilled about any of the color schemes in the current beta (I am
sure that the final product would have additional choices).
One additional one actually. MS announced recently that the final
product will ship with three choices. No one knows though at this point
what the third color scheme looks like.
I would have much preferred if MS spent time and effort to make the
applications smarter than they currently are and should steer clear of voice
recognition. My reaction to the current beta is that (a) Word seems to have
been marginally improved (b) Excel is not that much changed and (c)
Powerpoint is unusable because it is exceedingly slow (with hardware
acceleration on or off). The new interface has been a disappointment for me.
I was quite comfortable with the previous one and I just do no see any
benefits from this one at all. If I needed to do something that took too
many keystrokes, I built a macro. I just do not need the huge screen waste
for the current "ribbon". Especially, on widescreen laptops most of what the
users would see on the screen would be the interface!!!
Actually, you have (about) as much space for your document as you did
with 2003. You get a different impression though, because the top part
of the window (with the ribbon) is larger than the top part in 2003
(menu bar plus two toolbars) used to be. However, the bottom part of the
window (status bar stuff) is smaller in 2007 than in 2003. What they
added in space on the top, they saved on the bottom. The effective space
available to your document is nearly identical, but shifted down
compared to 2003.
OK...but they should consider the users and not just the beginners or the
computerphobes. Computers are productivity machines and we do not need
anything that will slow us down. Take Word for instance. It still does not
do outline documents in a clever way...it is just too stupid for them. Even
the current version fails at this. And there is no way of "teaching" the
software. I would throw all the "ribbons" in the waste basket and work on
having software that learns and adopts and fits you like a glove. And give
this message from me to the developers in MS. Very few people have massive
21 inch screens and most people would like to see their document (or as much
of it) and not have the program take over most of the screen real-estate.
See my above comment.
Adaptive software is actually very difficult to develop and often times
end up annoying users a lot because the program thinks it knows what you
want to do/are doing, but then it happens to be that one time when you
want to do something different. Take the personalized menus in 2003
e.g.. They were an attempt in making Office adaptive, but from a
usability point of view managed to only hide features to users. Most
power users turned them off right away anyhow (and in 2007, they are
turned off by default).
Possibly..or it would be a commercial flop and then MS would have to make
changes. And I simply do not like that mentality. The customer should be
the target here of any improvements not the pride of any development division.
Even the people who complain about this right now a lot will eventually
get used to it. Change is always difficult for human beings to handle
and this is just one of those cases. Office 2007 won't be a commercial
flop, just because it is Office. All the OEMs, retailers, etc will
switch to it and so will quite a few big corporations. It will sell
quite a lot and MS really doesn't need to worry that it will be a flop.
If something isn't well received by customers, MS might change it with
Office 14 (#13 is being skipped). Many companies (the biggest Office
customers) usually skip one Office version anyhow, so they might skip
2007 if they don't like it. It won't be because of the way the windows
don't look like Windows XP. It will be for other issues such as lack of
user customization, charting issues, etc.

Patrick Schmid
 
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ADR

Patrick Schmid said:
Jensen did a comparison based upon 1024x768 and with the out of the box
configuration:
http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2006/04/17/577485.aspx

For PPT, that was 2 toolbars, menu bar and the drawing toolbar.


Patrick,

I did a direct test running both Word 2007 and Word 2003 with rulers enabled
in both versions. There is definitely less document space in the 2007
version; not much less, but definitely less. My resolution was 1600 x 1200,
so I guess at lower resolutions one would have even less space. In addition,
if you running this application in the new fangled widescreen laptops (the
worse invention ever?), you will hardly get any writing space. In addition,
in big screens the "ribbon" gets better use but in limited real estate, that
ribbon with its huge icons is simply counterproductive and a lousy use of
expensive and limited screen real estate.

What is happening with Word 2007 is not unique. Many design teams, once
they get an idea, they pursue it with zeal even if it is really a retreat
from a successful design. Office's interface did not need any substantive
makeover but I guess MS thought that the visual aspect will get the
application sold. Big mistake. When one gets over the visual aspect of the
interface, he/she will start finding the faults and this may quickly mushroom
to a user "rebellion". Yes, MS can depend on HP and Dell and other
manufacturers to bundle Office with their PCs, but a serious flaw may lead
the door open to other competitors.
 

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