Protecting from Import Wizard??

[RDB]

Is there any good strategy or trick to protect from other
users downloading your entire work/website/code from
within FP or any other tools?

Any ideas what impact this might have in the search
engines?

Trying to come up with a good solution to protect my code
from being scooped and still allow for a search engine
freindly site.

Appreciatte any direction, suggestions, advice.

Thx

 

[Jim Cheshire]

RDB,

Think about it this way. What's the difference between someone using the
Import wizard in FrontPage and someone visiting your Web site and clicking
links to see each page? The answer: there isn't any difference.

If you want to prevent people from downloading your Web pages, the only way
to do so is to keep them off of the Internet, and in today's world, even
that's no guarantee!

--
Jim Cheshire
Jimco Add-ins
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Co-author of Special Edition
Using Microsoft FrontPage 2003
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[RDB]

Jim,

I appreciate your take on the FREE domain that the
internet provides but I'm talking about specific content
where there is some sensitivity around it's replication.
Yes, I can note copyrights and trandemwarks and trust
that everyone will respect it or I can lock it down.

Personally, I believe your analogy is flawed. Theres a
big difference in admiring the car, ruinning the race,
and seeing what's under the hood. Personally, I'd love to
show you the car all day long but what's under the hood
is not always ready for the public... yet.
PS. The old days we complield it and called it object
code. Lets see, Software, Music, Videos, Pictures, and
yes ... somteimes articles. The age old debate isn't it.

 

[Jim Cheshire]

RDB,

There's a huge difference between source code and HTML. Source code is
intellectual property and contains a specific implementation of some
functionality. HTML code is simply page layout code. It is not
intellectual property.

Think about it this way. How many answers are there to this question?

* How can I write an application that will allow you to store frequently
used snippets of text in a database and display them in a tree structure for
easy retrieval?

Answer: An almost infinite number of answers depending upon how you
implement it. The better implementation is going to be worth more as
intellectual property.

Now, how many answers are there to this question?

* How can I create a Web page that contains a table with two rows, two
columns, and a bulleted list in the upper-left cell?

Answer: One. It doesn't matter how many HTML writers create this page, the
HTML code will be essentially identical.

THAT'S the difference.

--
Jim Cheshire
Jimco Add-ins
http://www.jimcoaddins.com
===================================
Co-author of Special Edition
Using Microsoft FrontPage 2003
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[RDB]

Maybe were getting somewhere now.

I apologize if I am not using the terminolgy properly but
I an not referring to a protection of the html but of the
content and functions possibley contained withing the
html. The intellectual property if you will.

HTMl is nothing more than a reproting tool to format the
layout and presentation. Sounds like you are aware of
that as much as I. My apologies to any html or dhtml
purists as I am just trying to get to Jims level.

To use your analogy... Think of it this way. I have
content that I am including in a page for a freind who
doesn't want it harvested, stolen, re-used, or otherwise
copied. Yes I understand there are ways to embed server
side code and functions but I have also seen java code
that restricts or otherwise fools the browser into
thinking something else when you try to view source (for
example). I know I'm getting a little more complex than
the plain old pdf files or image slicing mentallity. Even
options for compressing the html source. But I am curious
if anyoine is willing to share some tricks that restrict
some access but still allow the Search Engines to access
the necessary code for optimized placement.

You could also think of it as .. to use frames or not to
use frames but I really don't want to go there.

No offense Jim but I'm starting to take offense to your
responses. I'm more than willing to share my knowledge
whenever possible but I've not logged on to debate the
nature of html and shareware with you. If you don't have
an answer or advice to restrict access to "intellectual
property" or a suggestion to satisfy those occasional one-
off scenarios measured on a case by case basis, for
legitimate reasons, then just say so. Otherwise we can go
out for beers and have this debate all night long without
tying up resources and taking away from a pretty decent
users group.

Sorry I asked.

 

[Jim Cheshire]

RDB,

I'm a little confused as to why you would take offense at my response. What
I'm trying to tell you (and in a nicer way than it is usually communicated
in this forum!) is that you cannot protect code in an HTML page.

Let me just put it this way. If I can view it on the Internet, I've already
downloaded it. The simple answer to your question is "No."

--
Jim Cheshire
Jimco Add-ins
http://www.jimcoaddins.com
===================================
Co-author of Special Edition
Using Microsoft FrontPage 2003
Order it today!
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[Chuck]

There is no way. Don't Put anything on the internet that you don't want
other people to have. By the way what are you protecting?

 

[MD WebsUnlimited.com]

That depends upon the nature of the HTML and whether or not is has been
extended. It is possible to have proprietary tags, etc.

There is more than one way to create the effects of using a table, you could
have used CSS with Divs and created the same effect.

There is more that one way to accomplish something in code and there is more
than one way to accomplish something in HTML.

 

[MD WebsUnlimited.com]

RDB,

If you're attempting to protect images from harvesting then there is little
that can be done. If you're attempting to protect client side script you can
protect it from the average user. If you're attempting to protect content as
a whole then there is little that can be done.

 

[Tom Pepper Willett]

....also, importing will only get certain basics. It will not allow asp or
databases and themes, shared borders, etc., to be imported.
--
Tom Pepper Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
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http://msdn.microsoft.com/frontpage
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[Tom Pepper Willett]

I thought your responses were thoughtful and diplomatic. See what happens
when people decide they don't want to accept the answer unless it's one they
are looking for?

Remember, Jim, no good deed goes unpunished. ;-)
--
Tom Pepper Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/frontpage
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[David Berry]

RDB, I'm confused. I read this whole thread and I don't see anything
offensive or impolite about Jim's responses. The bottom line is that
there's no way to protect any of the things you mention except to not put it
on the internet.

 

[Jim Cheshire]

I am only responsible for my own actions. Comforting.

--
Jim Cheshire
Jimco Add-ins
http://www.jimcoaddins.com
===================================
Co-author of Special Edition
Using Microsoft FrontPage 2003
Order it today!
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