Remarks Made

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Randee

I happen to be someone who is NOT intuitive with computers and felt that Roia
had asked a legitimate question for someone who is new to computers, or like
myself. I have to say that I'm really disappointed that #1 some people felt
it necessary to be smart aleks to Roia, when they were asking for HELP (isn't
that what this forum is for?) #2 that Microsoft didn't monitor the smart
remarks and delete them.
Keep in mind, people come here to ask for help with these Microsoft products
and don't ask for, nor deserve, your smart a** remarks.
 
M

Matt Beals

I happen to be someone who is NOT intuitive with computers and felt that Roia
had asked a legitimate question for someone who is new to computers, or like
myself. I have to say that I'm really disappointed that #1 some people felt
it necessary to be smart aleks to Roia, when they were asking for HELP (isn't
that what this forum is for?) #2 that Microsoft didn't monitor the smart
remarks and delete them.
Keep in mind, people come here to ask for help with these Microsoft products
and don't ask for, nor deserve, your smart a** remarks.

Who's comments and what were they? There's nothing wrong with calling people
out if you feel offended.

I've noticed a lot of flippant and dismissive comments myself. Quite
shocking really. I don't know if this is the case or not but it appears that
Microsoft hosts the groups and passively moderates them. I think that they
rely more on the MVP's for moderation. Which makes total sense. Some of
these are *really* busy so it is impractical to screen each post for content
before it goes out.

Don't be afraid to call people out on what they say, even me if I offend.

Matt Beals
Consultant
Enfocus Certified Trainer
Apago, Calls, Gradual & Markzware Recognized Trainer
(206) 618-2537 - Cell
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mailto:[email protected]

Come visit me at:

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J

JoAnn Paules [MVP]

You're kidding, right? The only question I see in the archives mentioning
Roia was dated back in March! That's 8 flippin' months. Geez, you take a
long time to get steamed up about something. You probably won't get riled up
about this response until next July.

As for the comments, what ever happened to creativity? Why does everyone
need a template and no one ever use Google? For Pete's sake - use your
brain! Studies have proven that if you learn new things and stay mentally
active, you could have a lower risk of developing Alzheimer's .
http://www.alz.org/brainhealth/stayMentallyActive.asp

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

~~~~~
How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375
 
M

Mary Sauer

JoAnn, There is absolutely no reason why you cannot direct a poster to the
Office web site for templates. If these folks were professionals they wouldn't
be using Publisher to begin with. At least the templates will give an idea on
how to layout a particular publication.

I certainly resent the idea if one does not have creative skills one has to
peruse an Alzheimer web site.

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/


JoAnn Paules said:
You're kidding, right? The only question I see in the archives mentioning Roia
was dated back in March! That's 8 flippin' months. Geez, you take a long time
to get steamed up about something. You probably won't get riled up about this
response until next July.

As for the comments, what ever happened to creativity? Why does everyone need
a template and no one ever use Google? For Pete's sake - use your brain!
Studies have proven that if you learn new things and stay mentally active, you
could have a lower risk of developing Alzheimer's .
http://www.alz.org/brainhealth/stayMentallyActive.asp

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

~~~~~
How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375




Randee said:
I happen to be someone who is NOT intuitive with computers and felt that Roia
had asked a legitimate question for someone who is new to computers, or like
myself. I have to say that I'm really disappointed that #1 some people felt
it necessary to be smart aleks to Roia, when they were asking for HELP (isn't
that what this forum is for?) #2 that Microsoft didn't monitor the smart
remarks and delete them.
Keep in mind, people come here to ask for help with these Microsoft products
and don't ask for, nor deserve, your smart a** remarks.
 
J

JoAnn Paules [MVP]

No, templates are fine as a basis. The original post that inspired all of
this was someone who was asking how to design something. How do you teach
design in one post?

I wasn't saying that using templates will lead to Alzheimer's. I was merely
pointing out one of the wonderful benefits of keeping one's brain active.
The link was for a short article about that.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

~~~~~
How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375




Mary Sauer said:
JoAnn, There is absolutely no reason why you cannot direct a poster to the
Office web site for templates. If these folks were professionals they
wouldn't be using Publisher to begin with. At least the templates will
give an idea on how to layout a particular publication.

I certainly resent the idea if one does not have creative skills one has
to peruse an Alzheimer web site.

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

JoAnn Paules said:
You're kidding, right? The only question I see in the archives mentioning
Roia was dated back in March! That's 8 flippin' months. Geez, you take a
long time to get steamed up about something. You probably won't get riled
up about this response until next July.

As for the comments, what ever happened to creativity? Why does everyone
need a template and no one ever use Google? For Pete's sake - use your
brain! Studies have proven that if you learn new things and stay mentally
active, you could have a lower risk of developing Alzheimer's .
http://www.alz.org/brainhealth/stayMentallyActive.asp

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

~~~~~
How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375




Randee said:
I happen to be someone who is NOT intuitive with computers and felt that
Roia
had asked a legitimate question for someone who is new to computers, or
like
myself. I have to say that I'm really disappointed that #1 some people
felt
it necessary to be smart aleks to Roia, when they were asking for HELP
(isn't
that what this forum is for?) #2 that Microsoft didn't monitor the
smart
remarks and delete them.
Keep in mind, people come here to ask for help with these Microsoft
products
and don't ask for, nor deserve, your smart a** remarks.
 
M

Mike Williams

I wasn't saying that using templates will lead to Alzheimer's.
I was merely pointing out one of the wonderful benefits of
keeping one's brain active.

Not everyone is a brilliant designer, and asking for help with design is a
perfectly natural thing to do. After all, Microsoft evidently recognise this
or they would not have included templates.We all know how brilliant you are
with certain things because you keep reminding us, but not everybody is as
clever with computers. Some people are good at some things but no so good at
others. For example in your case you appear to be good at embroidery and at
poking fun at other people. Considering that you are an MVP, I for one do
not like your attitude at all. Lots of newcomers to Publisher like myself
can easily be put off using this group altogether when they read some your
responses. The fact that someone does not know much about Publisher or about
design does not mean that they are stupid. My sister was a brilliant Lawyer
with an extremely active mind and yet she still developed Alzheimer's
disease. I resent your snide comments. Fortunately for us the other MVPs and
respondents on this newsgroup are much nicer than you. That is why I am
still here learning how to use Publisher. My husband is a Microsoft MVP and
he is thoroughly disgusted with your attitude. I could actually ask my
husband's help with Publisher but I prefer to be independent and use the
very valuable information I gather from this group.

Maureen
 
J

JoAnn Paules [MVP]

You're right. Most of us are not brilliant designers, and that includes
myself. But if I wanted help with design, I would Google sites that help
with design concepts, not how to use a computer program. Once I figured out
what I wanted THEN I would figure out how to do that with the program.
(Which, by the way, is the purpose of this newsgroup. We don't usually deal
with the content of Publisher projects.)

I do wish you would have read what I said about keeping the mind active.
There are NO guarantees that anything can prevent Alzheimer's but even the
Alzheimer's Association recognizes the benefits of staying mentally active.
And since you have no idea of my dealings with the disease, I'd like to
respectfully ask you to back off.

Why is it that we give our children crayons, finger-paint, markers, glitter
glue, etc and encourage them to be creative but when I suggest that we as
adults do the same and forego templates, I am blasted with negative
comments. I'll make you a deal. I'll be creative and use templates only as a
skeleton for my projects. You can use templates to your heart's delight and
forego all creative spirit. Deal?

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

~~~~~
How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375
 
M

Mike Williams

And since you have no idea of my dealings with the disease,
I'd like to respectfully ask you to back off.

Certainly. And in return I will ask you to do the same. After all, you had
no idea about the original poster's dealings with the disease when you
posted your rather snotty reply in which included the reference to
Alzheimer's simply because the OP asked for some design help, but you still
did it! Practise what you preach, Joann!
Why is it that we give our children crayons, finger-paint, markers,
glitter glue, etc and encourage them to be creative but when I suggest
that we as adults do the same and forego templates, I am blasted
with negative comments.

There is a *very big* difference between encouraging people to be creative
and suggesting that they are at risk at contracting Alzheimer's disease if
they use a Microsoft template or if they need some help with design, as you
did Joann! If that's what you feel about templates then perhaps you should
address your remark to Microsoft, perhaps via your MVP Lead?
I'll make you a deal. I'll be creative and use templates only
as a skeleton for my projects. You can use templates to
your heart's delight and forego all creative spirit. Deal?

No deal! In fact I very rarely use templates myself and I personally prefer
to create my own designs from scratch. However, templates are still
occasionally useful to me and they are certainly extremely useful for people
with less artistic flair. Not everybody is good at the same things.
But if I wanted help with design, I would Google sites that help with
design concepts, not how to use a computer program. Once
I figured out what I wanted THEN I would figure out how to do
that with the program. (Which, by the way, is the purpose of this
newsgroup. We don't usually deal with the content of Publisher
projects.)

Well, Microsoft certainly does. That's why they provide templates. You
obviously disagree with Microsoft on that point. That's fine of course, you
are entitled to your own opinion, but this newsgroup is for people who use
Microsft Publisher, and part of Microsoft Publisher is the set of templates
that Microsoft provides. If you would personally prefer not to deal with
that aspect of Publisher then do not answer any questions relating to it.
Stick to what you know. And if, as it appears from your post, you believe
that people who use templates or who ask for advice on artistic content in
other ways are at risk of getting Alzheimer's disease then perhaps you
should consider addressing your remarks to the senior people at Microsoft.
If they agree with you they may even issue a Windows critical update that
removes the templates from all of their applications ;-)

By the way, according to your latest posts you seem to have doubts as to why
you often get "negative blasting" from other contributors, including from
some of your own MVP peers. Have a long think about it Joann. I'm sure the
answer will come to you eventually.

Maureen
 
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Ed Bennett

Maureen said:
Over the last few months I have been a frequent visitor to this Newsgroup and
have had some great help with any problem I may have had, but...I am
contantly appalled at JoAnn's attitude and responses to posters.
Please Microsoft, take this rude, arrogant, insensitive woman off the
Newsgroup!

JoAnn is one of the most kind, conscientious people I've had the fortune
to meet online. She can be quirky, but that's part of her charm.

The only reason she seems rude occasionally is because she tells it like
it is, and because there is no one more impolite around to contrast her
with. If you keep blocking the least polite person in a newsgroup,
eventually you're going to have no one left. If °°°M°S°°Publisher°°°
(a.k.a. David A) or Margolotta (a.k.a. Sarah) were still in here, then
JoAnn would seem a veritable saint by comparison.
 

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