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Daiya Mitchell

I'm not even sure what the key command for Send RIGHT Now in Entourage is,
but it has gotten me a couple of times, sending mail I wasn't ready to let
go. Is there any way I can disable it? Intercept it via Panther or
something?

DM

Office 2004 with service pack 1
OS 10.3.6
 
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Corentin Cras-Méneur

Hi Daiya :)
I'm not even sure what the key command for Send RIGHT Now in Entourage is,
but it has gotten me a couple of times, sending mail I wasn't ready to let
go.
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I found it in the help :) it's command-return
Is there any way I can disable it? Intercept it via Panther or
something?
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Nothing simple comes to my mind... It would require some serious
hacking. Maybe using another app like keyboard maestro to remap this
shortcut to something else (that does nothing)...


Corentin
 
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Daiya Mitchell

I'm not even sure what the key command for Send RIGHT Now in Entourage is,
I found it in the help :) it's command-return
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Actually, I had looked it up before, but forgot--but figured the principle
didn't depend on the combo. I have no idea how I manage to hit this while
composing.
Nothing simple comes to my mind... It would require some serious
hacking. Maybe using another app like keyboard maestro to remap this
shortcut to something else (that does nothing)...
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Well, I need to get some substitute for customizing Entourage anyhow...it's
driving me quite insane--I discovered the other day that if you move the
line between the folder list and the mail/preview lists, you get randomly
changing icons--and it depends which direction you move in!

Thanks much, Corentin.

Daiya
 
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Axel Hammerschmidt

Corentin Cras-Méneur said:
I found it in the help :) it's command-return
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Shouldn't that be Command+K?
Nothing simple comes to my mind... It would require some serious
hacking. Maybe using another app like keyboard maestro to remap this
shortcut to something else (that does nothing)...
Click to expand...

Activate Work Offline in the File menu in En'rage and you get a warning
where you can choose Cancel when you press Send Now.
 
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Daiya Mitchell

I'm not even sure what the key command for Send RIGHT Now in Entourage is,
Shouldn't that be Command+K?
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Cmd-K runs the Send and Receive schedule which I think only sends messages
in the outbox already--command-return takes the open message you are
currently typing and puts it on its merry way, regardless of whether you
happen to be in the middle of a sentence....
Activate Work Offline in the File menu in En'rage and you get a warning
where you can choose Cancel when you press Send Now.
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Hadn't considered that one, thanks. Though it'd probably disturb the rest
of my workflow too much.

DM
 
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Corentin Cras-Méneur

Axel Hammerschmidt said:
Shouldn't that be Command+K?
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I don;t know. I never use it, it simply is the command I found in the
help. I suspect COmmand-k is "send" not "send immidiately".
Activate Work Offline in the File menu in En'rage and you get a warning
where you can choose Cancel when you press Send Now.
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That sure is an option, but then you have to activate Work Offline
everytime you write an e-mail and it tends to get tedious :-\


Corentin
 
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Corentin Cras-Méneur

Daiya Mitchell said:
Well, I need to get some substitute for customizing Entourage anyhow...it's
driving me quite insane--
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I COULDN'T AGREE MORE!!! and I don't usually write in all caps ;-)


Corentin
 
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Paul Berkowitz

Actually, I had looked it up before, but forgot--but figured the principle
didn't depend on the combo. I have no idea how I manage to hit this while
composing.
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Virtually all key combos are defined in the menus, and almost all button
options are duplicated in the men us. (I have found one or two which aren't
nut they're pretty obscure.) It's a principle of the Mac Human Interface
Guidelines that all controls are supposed to discoverable in menus, and
Entourage is really pretty good about adhering to this (better than the
other Office apps). Send Message Now is in the Message menu when a new
(unsent) message window is in the front. Post Message Now is there when you
have an unsent news message in the front, as I do now. They show the
keyboard shortcut of the Enter or Return symbol (a back-directed arrow) next
to the Command symbol. So you know that cmd-Return or cmd-Enter is the
shortcut, without having to go to the Help. There are some more arcane
shortcuts to do with moving between messages for which you'd need to check
the Help.

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Paul Berkowitz

I don;t know. I never use it, it simply is the command I found in the
help. I suspect COmmand-k is "send" not "send immidiately".
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No. As Daiya said, cmd-K runs the Send & Receive All schedule. It will not
send an unsaved new message window you're writing. You can find that easily
in Tools/Send & Receive/Send & Receive All - cmd-K.

cmd-Return or cmd-Enter sends the new message window in front Now.
shift-cmd-Return or shift-cmd-Enter puts the new message window in front
into the Outbox, to Send Later.

Both Send Message Now and Send Message Later appear in the Message menu with
their respective shortcuts displayed.
That sure is an option, but then you have to activate Work Offline
everytime you write an e-mail and it tends to get tedious :-\
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No you don't, Corentin! Try it. You get an alert, and can choose to just
Connect (for this one action only), or Work Online, or Cancel. "Connect" is
the default button, so just press Return or Enter again. It's not tedious at
all.

--
Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
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Daiya Mitchell

Virtually all key combos are defined in the menus, and almost all button
options are duplicated in the men us. (I have found one or two which aren't
nut they're pretty obscure.) It's a principle of the Mac Human Interface
Guidelines that all controls are supposed to discoverable in menus, and
Entourage is really pretty good about adhering to this (better than the
other Office apps). Send Message Now is in the Message menu when a new
(unsent) message window is in the front. Post Message Now is there when you
have an unsent news message in the front, as I do now.
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You know, adaptive menus that change when different commands are available
are good, but I'm accustomed to exploring menus when I have nothing else to
do, or writer's block, not when I'm in the middle of a message. I'll have
to shift my "new program" habits to start exploring menus in different
contexts.

Thanks, Paul.

Daiya
 
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Corentin Cras-Méneur

Paul Berkowitz said:
No you don't, Corentin! Try it. You get an alert, and can choose to just
Connect (for this one action only), or Work Online, or Cancel. "Connect" is
the default button, so just press Return or Enter again. It's not tedious at
all.
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I'm not sure I'm following you.... Selecting "Work offline" everytime I
want to write an e-mail is what I consider tedious. Otherwised I've
worked offline before and I know it does workaround the issue by giving
you a warning with these three options :))

I use Exchange in Entourage and I sure don't want to be offline most of
the time...


Corentin
 
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Axel Hammerschmidt

Corentin Cras-Méneur said:
I'm not sure I'm following you.... Selecting "Work offline" everytime I
want to write an e-mail is what I consider tedious. Otherwised I've
worked offline before and I know it does workaround the issue by giving
you a warning with these three options :))

I use Exchange in Entourage and I sure don't want to be offline most of
the time...
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That's different. I've used mail systems with Exchange, with MS Outlook
and as far as I could tell, all my mail was kept on the Exchange server,
not locally on my peecee.

People who collect their e-mail from a POP3 server have the mail that
they read stored locally on their machine. Using a POP3 server is an
option in Entourage. IMAP is another option.

People who use POP3 usually send mail with SMTP. Documents they work
with are stored locally. Like Macsoup.

(I can see you use Macsoup for News. Macsoup is an offline news reader).
 
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Corentin Cras-Méneur

Axel Hammerschmidt said:
That's different. I've used mail systems with Exchange, with MS Outlook
and as far as I could tell, all my mail was kept on the Exchange server,
not locally on my peecee.
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That's differnet. That's an Outlook option to fully download the files
on the computer instead of working live. Entourage doesn't use MAPI (it
uses WebDAV) and doesn't let you work live anyway. When you are offline,
you simply don't connect to the Exchange server at all in Entourage.
Working offline is still useful in a somehow similar way though. When
you are not connected to your network, Entourage can let you access the
local copy of your IMAP, Exchange (or hotmail) e-mails without
continuously attempting to sycnhronize with the server. Entourage simply
accesses the local copy of the e-mail stored in cache.
When you select "work offline", the status of the Exchange account
immidiately switches to "not connected" and you stop receiving new
mails.

Entourage's help even states:
You can use Microsoft Entourage to receive messages from any or all of
your e-mail accounts. For all accounts, you must be connected to the
Internet or a network and you must not be working offline (on the
Entourage menu, make sure that Work Offline is not selected).
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You can even verify this behavior using a port sniffer like tcpflow,
tcpdump or even Interarchy (my favorite :) ). (I've had a lot of
Exchange problems and beleive me, I did explore all the aspects of it
that I could).
People who collect their e-mail from a POP3 server have the mail that
they read stored locally on their machine. Using a POP3 server is an
option in Entourage. IMAP is another option.
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That's set up in a different way in Entourage. You can setup whether to
download the entire content of the e-mails or just the xxx first kb.

People who use POP3 usually send mail with SMTP. Documents they work
with are stored locally. Like Macsoup.
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Absolutely. That's how POP works with the default options.
(I can see you use Macsoup for News. Macsoup is an offline news reader).
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offline newsreader and also POP e-mail client :) Very convenient for
managing discussion lists as well thanks to its unique way to display
the hierachy of who is answering to whom :)

Corentin
 
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