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Peter
Servus,
does anyone have an idea if this will ever happen?
does anyone have an idea if this will ever happen?
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Scott Melendez
I¹ve posted my thoughts about this before. Both Entourage and Outlook use
the same method ‹ in a single file. Yet the Windows Desktop search function
will index the PST file. Didn¹t Microsoft use the PST file format for
Outlook Express? Why was it abandoned?
I actually LIKE the find feature in Entourage. (OK, maybe not like, but it¹s
acceptable in everyday use.) Combined with LaunchBar, which can index the
Entourage Address Book, it gives me a Spotlight-like capability.
BTW...I¹ve seen numerous threads ³blaming² Microsoft for using a single
database format...but that is actually how its done on an enterprise level.
Both Exchange and IBM Domino use a single file to store mail, calendar, and
tasks. Exchange¹s format is truly monolithic, in that there is a single
object store for all users and their data. Domino/Notes uses a single file
for each user, which makes the administrative burden a little less; but
having all that data in a single file is a major headache. That is why both
systems use a proprietary file format, so that they can provide built-in
indexing/searching features that go beyond a simple find, e.g., indexing
attachments, having STOP words, etc.
The ³desktop search² paradigm is a fairly new thing, and both Microsoft and
IBM are trying to see how to fit their message object stores into that
functionality.
the same method ‹ in a single file. Yet the Windows Desktop search function
will index the PST file. Didn¹t Microsoft use the PST file format for
Outlook Express? Why was it abandoned?
I actually LIKE the find feature in Entourage. (OK, maybe not like, but it¹s
acceptable in everyday use.) Combined with LaunchBar, which can index the
Entourage Address Book, it gives me a Spotlight-like capability.
BTW...I¹ve seen numerous threads ³blaming² Microsoft for using a single
database format...but that is actually how its done on an enterprise level.
Both Exchange and IBM Domino use a single file to store mail, calendar, and
tasks. Exchange¹s format is truly monolithic, in that there is a single
object store for all users and their data. Domino/Notes uses a single file
for each user, which makes the administrative burden a little less; but
having all that data in a single file is a major headache. That is why both
systems use a proprietary file format, so that they can provide built-in
indexing/searching features that go beyond a simple find, e.g., indexing
attachments, having STOP words, etc.
The ³desktop search² paradigm is a fairly new thing, and both Microsoft and
IBM are trying to see how to fit their message object stores into that
functionality.
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Paul Berkowitz
No they didn't. PST is only for Outlook, and depends on MAPI protocol. ItI¹ve posted my thoughts about this before. Both Entourage and Outlook use the
same method ‹ in a single file. Yet the Windows Desktop search function will
index the PST file. Didn¹t Microsoft use the PST file format for Outlook
Express? Why was it abandoned?
has never been used on the Mac, aside from Outlook 2001 itself. Outlook
Express Windows uses a .dbx database format (which is apparently not great).
Outlook Express Mac if that's what you mean used separate message files
in OE 4 (the first version), then files representing mail folders (probably
mbox files or similar) in OE 4.5. Then OE 5 starting using the the single
Database format (actually there were two interdependent files : a "Messages"
file and a "Database" file) that became the precursor literally for
Entourage 2001, which was built in it. Entourage X combined the Messages and
Database files into one file. It's the single database which allows for
interoperability of messages, contacts, calendar, tasks, notes, projects,
and the links between them, use of the same categories across all data
types, etc. It's because they were planning Entourage as a personal
Information manager that they changed to database format in OE Mac 5.0 it
was a "tryout" for Entourage work was already been done on Entourage.
I actually LIKE the find feature in Entourage. (OK, maybe not like, but it¹s
acceptable in everyday use.) Combined with LaunchBar, which can index the
Entourage Address Book, it gives me a Spotlight-like capability.
BTW...I¹ve seen numerous threads ³blaming² Microsoft for using a single
database format...but that is actually how its done on an enterprise level.
Both Exchange and IBM Domino use a single file to store mail, calendar, and
tasks. Exchange¹s format is truly monolithic, in that there is a single object
store for all users and their data. Domino/Notes uses a single file for each
user, which makes the administrative burden a little less; but having all that
data in a single file is a major headache. That is why both systems use a
proprietary file format, so that they can provide built-in indexing/searching
features that go beyond a simple find, e.g., indexing attachments, having STOP
words, etc.
The ³desktop search² paradigm is a fairly new thing, and both Microsoft and
IBM are trying to see how to fit their message object stores into that
functionality.
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Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
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PLEASE always state which version of Microsoft Office you are using -
**2004**, X or 2001. It's often impossible to answer your questions
otherwise.
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Boettcher, Scott
It was also used in Outlook 98.
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Paul Berkowitz
It was also used in Outlook 98.
SB
Outlook 98 is a version of Outlook for PC. On the PC, PSTs have been used
for all versions of Outlook: 95, 97, 98, 2000, 2002 (XP) and 2003. On the
Mac, I'm not sure what was used on the version before 2001, which was
Outlook 8.2 was it also PST? In any case it was not cross-operable with
Outlook Windows. It was the great improvement of 2001 that it allowed PSTs
from Outlook Mac 2001 to be also opened (immediately converted) in Outlook
Windows 2000 and later, and vice versa (although there can be considerable
loss of data the more obscure fields when opening PSTs form Outlook
Windows in Mac 2001 for contacts there are only 28 fields on the Mac as
opposed to 87 in Outlook 2001 and 92 fields in Outlook 2002 and 2003, for
example). It suddenly made Outlook 2001 much more useful in businesses with
both. Now that Entourage 2004 can convert PSTs form Outlook 2001, and you
can still open PSTs form Outlook Windows in 2001, that usefulness is still
there in that direction, but there's no converter going back the other
direction. (My scripts work though.)
Did you mean Outlook 8.2.2? Did it use PSTs that didn't work in Outlook
Windows?
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Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
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PLEASE always state which version of Microsoft Office you are using -
**2004**, X or 2001. It's often impossible to answer your questions
otherwise.
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Boettcher, Scott
Could be I remember it as part of our corporate Office 98 CDs.
I don¹t know if the PSTs would work on a PC, but the PSTs don¹t convert over
to Entourage unless you copy the contents to a new PST in Outlook 2001 (Mac)
I¹ve had to do this with the older clients here that have PSTS from that
age.
SB
I don¹t know if the PSTs would work on a PC, but the PSTs don¹t convert over
to Entourage unless you copy the contents to a new PST in Outlook 2001 (Mac)
I¹ve had to do this with the older clients here that have PSTS from that
age.
SB