wierd font issue

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

Pub 2003, Georgia font (which I believe is MS system font)?

In one area of a text box, Georgia Italic will produce a square box for
lower case j and upper case K. Anyone see this before?

I'm hesistant to uninstall/reinstall a system font.

Any idears?

tnx

 

[Ed Bennett]

In one area of a text box, Georgia Italic will produce a square box for
lower case j and upper case K. Anyone see this before?

You have Font Embedding and Subsetting enabled. As j and K were not in
the document in Georgia Italic when it was saved, these characters were
not included in the subset, and so are not available in the document.
Turn off subsetting and the characters should reappear.

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

Really...who woulda thunk...I'll try it tomorrow. Thanks.


| Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:
| > In one area of a text box, Georgia Italic will produce a square box for
| > lower case j and upper case K. Anyone see this before?
|
| You have Font Embedding and Subsetting enabled. As j and K were not in
| the document in Georgia Italic when it was saved, these characters were
| not included in the subset, and so are not available in the document.
| Turn off subsetting and the characters should reappear.
|
| --
| Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher
| http://ed.mvps.org

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

Turning off subsetting didn't help.


| Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:
| > In one area of a text box, Georgia Italic will produce a square box for
| > lower case j and upper case K. Anyone see this before?
|
| You have Font Embedding and Subsetting enabled. As j and K were not in
| the document in Georgia Italic when it was saved, these characters were
| not included in the subset, and so are not available in the document.
| Turn off subsetting and the characters should reappear.
|
| --
| Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher
| http://ed.mvps.org

 

[Ed Bennett]

Turning off subsetting didn't help.

What about turning off Font Embedding altogether, then closing and
reopening the document?

Does the font appear correctly in other documents?

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

That seems to work. First I tried turning off subsetting and closing Pub
but that didnt work, turning off all embedding, saving then closing/opening
Pub worked. Re-enabled embedding and still ok. So should I NOT embed until
I'm totally finished with the publication?

thanks a zillion for your help on this...it was makin me crackers.

Rob


| Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:
| > Turning off subsetting didn't help.
|
| What about turning off Font Embedding altogether, then closing and
| reopening the document?
|
| Does the font appear correctly in other documents?
|
| --
| Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher
| http://ed.mvps.org

 

[Ed Bennett]

That seems to work. First I tried turning off subsetting and closing Pub
but that didnt work, turning off all embedding, saving then closing/opening
Pub worked. Re-enabled embedding and still ok. So should I NOT embed until
I'm totally finished with the publication?

I'm guessing that because you hadn't turned off embedding, Publisher was
still keeping the subsetted embedded copy it had already made.

You can use embedding, but don't use subsetting until the document is
entirely finished. Personally I wouldn't use embedding at all.

thanks a zillion for your help on this...it was makin me crackers.

No problemo. It did the same to me when I encountered it 3½ years ago.

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

I shouldn't embed the fonts with Pub? What if the printer doesn't have them?
I'm gonna output to Acrobat 8.

Confused now :-(


| Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:
| > That seems to work. First I tried turning off subsetting and closing
Pub
| > but that didnt work, turning off all embedding, saving then
closing/opening
| > Pub worked. Re-enabled embedding and still ok. So should I NOT embed
until
| > I'm totally finished with the publication?
|
| I'm guessing that because you hadn't turned off embedding, Publisher was
| still keeping the subsetted embedded copy it had already made.
|
| You can use embedding, but don't use subsetting until the document is
| entirely finished. Personally I wouldn't use embedding at all.
|
| > thanks a zillion for your help on this...it was makin me crackers.
|
| No problemo. It did the same to me when I encountered it 3½ years ago.
|
| --
| Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher
| http://ed.mvps.org

 

[Ed Bennett]

I shouldn't embed the fonts with Pub? What if the printer doesn't have them?
I'm gonna output to Acrobat 8.

Confused now :-(

When you output to PDF, Acrobat embeds the fonts from your computer no
matter whether fonts are embedded in the .pub or not. If they are
embedded, I think it takes the embedded version rather than the
installed version.

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

AH..so I should just let Acrobat embed them then, right?
Is that maybe why I see "Duplicate" embeddings (when opening the Pub file in
Pub...or is that a diff issue)?



| Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:
| > I shouldn't embed the fonts with Pub? What if the printer doesn't have
them?
| > I'm gonna output to Acrobat 8.
| >
| > Confused now :-(
|
| When you output to PDF, Acrobat embeds the fonts from your computer no
| matter whether fonts are embedded in the .pub or not. If they are
| embedded, I think it takes the embedded version rather than the
| installed version.
|
| --
| Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher
| http://ed.mvps.org

 

[Ed Bennett]

AH..so I should just let Acrobat embed them then, right?

I would.

Is that maybe why I see "Duplicate" embeddings (when opening the Pub file in
Pub...or is that a diff issue)?

I think that's a different issue.

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

Thanks.

I got about 12 more hours on this puppy...looks like it's gonna be a
all-nighter for me- deadline is tomorrow.

Is there an easy way of going from printer spread to reader spread? I
started this as a Booklet, but printer wants a reader spread - other than
grouping and copy/pasting into new document?


| Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:
| > AH..so I should just let Acrobat embed them then, right?
|
| I would.
|
| > Is that maybe why I see "Duplicate" embeddings (when opening the Pub
file in
| > Pub...or is that a diff issue)?
|
| I think that's a different issue.
|
| --
| Ed Bennett - MVP Microsoft Publisher
| http://ed.mvps.org

 

[Matt Beals]

I don't know of an easy way to reverse engineer this. I think you'll be
stuck copying and pasting elements.

As far as the font embedding goes with the subsetting. If you are in the
working stages of the document and you are only working on your machine then
embedding images and fonts isn't really necessary. This can also help with
any sort of document diagnostics besides being more efficient with space and
making it less susceptible to document corruption. If you're moving the file
about then I would always fully embed the fonts and images if it is not
possible to move the fonts and the images with the job.

When it comes to making a PDF from the Publisher file as Ed said Acrobat
doesn't care if the fonts are in the document not. However, you need to make
sure that you don't have Publisher send the fonts to Distiller when using
the PDFMaker plug-in. Not sending the fonts is the default, but sometimes
people push buttons by accident. Distiller should complain if this happens.
Also, make sure that you change the Distiller settings to "high quality" or
"PDF/X-1a:2001". It is the "best practice" to have PDFMaker convert the
document to PDF rather than printing to PostScript or Distiller directly.

As an aside it is better to have a PDF with subsetted fonts. You may notice
that the fonts have a prefix associated with them. This is to avoid
duplicate fonts stumbling over themselves. They don't always have the prefix
though. Kind of weird... It can get a bit dicey when you merge multiple
documents together that have the same subsetted fonts. Strange things *can*
happen... It's not so easy anymore to have a PDF with fully embedded fonts
though. It can be done, but there's no real reason to for nine-tenths of the
applications. Again, if you have fully embedded fonts in a PDF and it hits a
RIP (which is *all* printers) then it is possible for the RIP to use the
local resident fonts in lieu of the embedded fonts. Not a good situation if
you are using different versions of Times, Helvetica, Arial, etc.


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[Ed Bennett]

Is there an easy way of going from printer spread to reader spread? I
started this as a Booklet, but printer wants a reader spread - other than
grouping and copy/pasting into new document?

I only know how to go halfway - to a single-page view (which Acrobat
will then display as Readers' Spreads if you tell it to).

Instructions were posted yesterday to this group.