Actual Duration display

J

jp

Hi,

I'm updating tasks with actual hours spent each week on tasks.
How do I change the display on the "Actual Dur" from days to hours?
If a developer has worked 4 hour on a task that takes 5 days it displays
..5d under "Actual Dur". I would like to see it as 4 hrs?

-jp
 
J

jp

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for replying to my email question. I added the "Actual Work" column
but it is not already populated with any hours, even though I have been
updating the task.
Do the hours not populate automatically when that column is added?

-JP
 
J

JulieS

Hello JP,

Pardon me for bumping in. Actual Work should be automatically
calculated if you are tracking actual duration and (1) you have
assigned work resources to the tasks and (2) the option "Updating
task status updates resources status" on the Calculation tab in
Tools > Options is enabled (checked).

I hope this helps. Let us know how you get along.

Julie
Project MVP

Visit http://project.mvps.org/ for the FAQs and additional
information about Microsoft Project
 
J

jp

Good morning Jan,

Thank you for your reply. I ran your suggestion and it actually changes the
display of the "Duration" into a format of any choice: Day, Month, Hours, etc.

Usually, when I update a task, I click on the button that has the symbol "%"
next to the set reminder button. Once that prompt windows shows up, it has
the "Actual Dur: in fraction of day format ie. .5d" and Remaining dur: 4.5d".
That was the window I wanted the format to change from.

I don't know if this is an easy or flexible tool, however, here is what I
need to do. At the end of every week, I need to update the tasks that my
resource work on. And every week they're pluggin away at the same tasks or
new tasks. If I add one HR hour to an existing task, I would have to grab a
calculator to do: .5d * 8 = 4 hours +1 = 5. Then I have to upate the prompt
window with the 5 hours worked for the week; if he had worked 4 hours and the
following week he could only work for 1 an on that task.

Do you see my little problem (having to grab a calculator to this this kind
of stuff). Is this normal? Is my schenario completely out of this world?
Have I not updated the task in the proper way? Thanks for your reply

-jp
 
J

jp

Hi and good morning Julie,

I checked my project program and it is already checked.

-jp
 
J

jp

Hi and good morning Julie,

I checked my project program and it is already checked.

-jp
 
A

Andrew Lavinsky

I think the issue is with your update methodology in all honesty. It sounds
like to me that you're not assigning resources to tasks, but simply creating
tasks, assigning a duration in hours, then decrementing against that total.

That's not quite what MS Project is designed for. Typically, you need two
points of data to develop a duration estimate:

1) Work (Person hours)
2) Units (% that a resource is dedicated to the task. In your case, it sounds
like you are working with the assumption of 100% for all tasks, which implies
that all tasks for a specific resource are in sequence and not overlapping).
3) Duration (The window of time within which the task will take place).

The third point will be derived from the first two using the formula D X
(U X Person hours per day) = W.

From an update methodology standpoint, if you're tracking by hours, you probably
shouldn't be using the % Complete Tracking mechanism that you are. That
method isn't designed for tracking work, but instead for duration. Your
best bet is to update the resource hours against task in the Resource Usage
View each week - then reschedule all incomplete work after the status date.
That will push any open hours to the post status date period and recalculate
the duration estimates for each task. Once you do that, you can review the
resource allocations for potential resource loading issues.

That's how most people I work with deal with the challenge that you've stated.
Otherwise, it just sounds like a task list with each task associated to
a specific budget. That could be managed in Excel just as easily.


- Andrew Lavinsky
Blog: http://blogs.catapultsystems.com/epm
 
J

JulieS

Do you have work resources assigned to the tasks? Is the %
complete changing as you update Actual Duration? Is the
Remaining duration calculating as well?

Julie
Project MVP

Visit http://project.mvps.org/ for the FAQs and additional
information about Microsoft Project
 
J

Jan De Messemaeker

Hi,

Are you pulling my leg?
After running Format_Duration and setting it to hours it is also changed in
the Task Update window as you request. Didn't you even check?

Hope this helps,
--
Jan De Messemaeker
Microsoft Project Most Valuable Professional
+32 495 300 620
For availability check:
http://users.online.be/prom-ade/Calendar.pdf
 
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J

jp

Hi Julie,

Yes, I have a resource working on this task.
"Is the % complete changing as you update Actual Duration?"
Yes,
"Remaining duration calculating as well?"
Yes.

Thanks Julie.

-JP
 
J

jp

Ok,

I'm beginning to worry that there is no easy way to update a project task by
hours in a week!!! This is so strange... I have one resource working on a
task and I need to update the hours she put into that task weekly. How
difficult can that be you ask:....

-jp
 
J

JulieS

Hi JP,

Okay -- to recap:
You have a project with resources assigned to tasks.
Your calculation is set to "Automatic"
The option "Updating task status updates resources status" is
checked (enabled).

However, when you update actual duration, Actual Work is not
being changed?

Please display the tracking table. That is the same Actual work
field, yes?

Instead of guessing -- can you email me the file?

Please email me the project file.
Send to:
prjng [AT] maine dot rr dot com

I hope this helps. Let us know how you get along.

Julie
Project MVP

Visit http://project.mvps.org/ for the FAQs and additional
information about Microsoft Project
 
J

jp

Hi Julie,

Well, I have not figured out exactly how actual work is being calculated but
I was
able to put hours for a task in a specific week.

Its seems that while one question is answered another two pop up. For
example,
a task can have a duration, of lets say, 5 days. But that doesn't have the
amount of work required to complete that task! A more detailed example is
the one below:

Task 1 Duration = 5 days (4/5/10 -4/9/10).

However, that doesn't really have the number of work hours needed to finish
the task right! In a project plan, one would have to go and actually put in
the number of hours it would take to finish that task and the duration will
be longer if the resource doesn not work the number of hours that make up a
day ie. 8 hrs.

So, when actual work is upated, the duration might be shortened or lenthened!
This means that is a resource (person) work on this task 4 hours a day
instead of 8 hours (1 day = 8 working hours) then the project would take
2*duration = 10 days correct? And it could be longer if the percentage
accomplished is less than calculated (based on duration) right?


However, I was still disappointed that MS project doesn't have a clear and
simple window that one can update tasks based on day, week, or month in a
readily available pop-up window.

-jp
;-)
 
J

JulieS

JP,

I think we are talking past one another here. If you have
assigned resources to the task, Project has calculated work based
upon the formula below:
Task Duration * Resource Assignment Units = Work.

So in your example below, a 5 days duration task with one
resource assigned at 100% would have work of 40 hours. (Assuming
the resource's calendar was set to 8 hours per day). You can
record actual work in a number of different views:

Apply the tracking table to show and update actual and remaining
duration.
Show the Task Usage or Resource Usage view and add actual work to
the timescaled side. Record actual work on a daily or weekly
basis. To modify remaining work, either change the work shown in
the view or add remaining work to the table.

Julie
Project MVP

Visit http://project.mvps.org/ for the FAQs and additional
information about Microsoft Project
 
J

jp

Hi Julie,

Yes, you and I were right at the later point. Thanks for your advise.
You are one of the best in this group!!!
;-)

-jp
 

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