600*800 browsers why?

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Paul M

Hi
Does anyone actually use a browser resolution of 600*800 anymore? it seems
to me that have we created a standard based on old monitor specifications.
isn't it time we started using all of the browser window
Paul M
 
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Tom Pepper Willett

Yes, approximately 40% use 800 x 600, according to statistics.
Many do because of eyesite issues.
Including me ;-)
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| Hi
| Does anyone actually use a browser resolution of 600*800 anymore? it seems
| to me that have we created a standard based on old monitor
specifications.
| isn't it time we started using all of the browser window
| Paul M
|
|
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Also users of higher resolution may not view at full screen. Example I run at 1280 x 1024, but my
browser window is only about 800 x 800 in size.

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Jon Spivey

Which statistics - your own site(s) or "stats" on some out of date web link?
It's almost impossible to buy a PC with an 800 * 600 screen these days - I'm
not arguing for cutting out the 800 * 600 guys or the IE5 guys etc but if
you sell to consumers you're probably selling to people with a reasonably
decent computer :)
 
M

Mike Mueller

Most people design now for mutliple resolutions, and use
tables based on %s. Over 36% of the viewers of one of my
sites are at 800x600.
http://extremetracking.com/open;sys?login=lannonfd

Mike


Paul M wrote:
: Hi
: Does anyone actually use a browser resolution of 600*800
: anymore? it seems to me that have we created a standard
: based on old monitor specifications. isn't it time we
: started using all of the browser window
: Paul M
 
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Tom J

Jon Spivey said:
Which statistics - your own site(s) or "stats" on some out of date web link?
It's almost impossible to buy a PC with an 800 * 600 screen these days - I'm
not arguing for cutting out the 800 * 600 guys or the IE5 guys etc but if
you sell to consumers you're probably selling to people with a reasonably
decent computer :)
Click to expand...

Depends on what the site is for and who it's reaching. My reports are running
over 30% viewing at 800X600 month after month. I only have a small sampling of
all computers out there at around 20,000 different computers per month
though!! :-(

Tom J
 
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Jon Spivey

Exactly - it depends on the market you're targeting. Averaged out I get just
under 30% at 800*600 most of my sites look better at a little over 800 wide.
In my own business though I try and cater to the best potential customer
which these days means IE6 on 1024*768 - anyone with less probably doesn't
have much money to spend. I was interested in Mikes stats though - nearly
10% on Netscape 2, that's scarey :)
 
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Mike Mueller

Jon,
That particular counter seems to register FP2000 as
Netscape2, and some of the Others that are listed in there
from my use are SamSpade, Lynx, and LinkChecker.

Mike


Jon Spivey wrote:
: Exactly - it depends on the market you're targeting.
: Averaged out I get just under 30% at 800*600 most of my
: sites look better at a little over 800 wide. In my own
: business though I try and cater to the best potential
: customer which these days means IE6 on 1024*768 - anyone
: with less probably doesn't have much money to spend. I
: was interested in Mikes stats though - nearly 10% on
: Netscape 2, that's scarey :)
:
:
: ::
:: ::: Which statistics - your own site(s) or "stats" on some
::: out of date web link? It's almost impossible to buy a
::: PC with an 800 * 600 screen these days - I'm not
::: arguing for cutting out the 800 * 600 guys or the IE5
::: guys etc but if you sell to consumers you're probably
::: selling to people with a reasonably decent computer
::: :)
::
:: Depends on what the site is for and who it's reaching.
:: My reports are running over 30% viewing at 800X600 month
:: after month. I only have a small sampling of all
:: computers out there at around 20,000 different computers
:: per month though!! :-(
::
:: Tom J
 
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Jon Spivey

Fair enough - I haven't seen a netscape 2, 3 or 4 user in the wild for
weeks. I'm seeing Konqueror/ Linux and Mac traffic growing by the week -
all means more testing costs. Surprised that firefox hasn't made any
headway - to my mind this is a very good browser and deserves to do well.
I'd be happy to see it succeed.
 
I

Ivor Jones

Jon said:
Which statistics - your own site(s) or "stats" on some out of date
web link? It's almost impossible to buy a PC with an 800 * 600
screen these days - I'm not arguing for cutting out the 800 * 600
guys or the IE5 guys etc but if you sell to consumers you're
probably selling to people with a reasonably decent computer :)
Click to expand...

Irrelevant. What about people with poor eyesight..? I'm not blind by any
stretch of the imagination and I have a 17" monitor but I have trouble
with some of the text I see on sites nowadays.

For my own site, I design for 600*800 as a good compromise. The
*majority* of people can reliably see it, and at the end of the day it's
about getting visitors to your site and hence customers, not what the boss
(or you for that matter) *thinks* looks good.

Ivor
 
W

Wally S

If you want to reach people in 3d world countries, you have to consider
browsers even smaller than that.

Wally S
 
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Mike Mueller

Jon
The counter I use appears to use NN7 for FF. I am a big FF
person and can see my visit this morning as an NN7 and then
if I check the referrer at that time it is a google query
showing FF as the browser.

On the new site I am doing I am going to try to pull all of
this info via Javascripts and then db the information- then
I should get some better stats than what this freeby is
giving to me

Mike


Jon Spivey wrote:
: Fair enough - I haven't seen a netscape 2, 3 or 4 user in
: the wild for weeks. I'm seeing Konqueror/ Linux and Mac
: traffic growing by the week - all means more testing
: costs. Surprised that firefox hasn't made any headway -
: to my mind this is a very good browser and deserves to do
: well. I'd be happy to see it succeed.
:
:
: message :: Jon,
:: That particular counter seems to register FP2000 as
:: Netscape2, and some of the Others that are listed in
:: there from my use are SamSpade, Lynx, and LinkChecker.
::
:: Mike
::
::
:: Jon Spivey wrote:
::: Exactly - it depends on the market you're targeting.
::: Averaged out I get just under 30% at 800*600 most of my
::: sites look better at a little over 800 wide. In my own
::: business though I try and cater to the best potential
::: customer which these days means IE6 on 1024*768 - anyone
::: with less probably doesn't have much money to spend. I
::: was interested in Mikes stats though - nearly 10% on
::: Netscape 2, that's scarey :)
:::
:::
::: ::::
:::: ::::: Which statistics - your own site(s) or "stats" on some
::::: out of date web link? It's almost impossible to buy a
::::: PC with an 800 * 600 screen these days - I'm not
::::: arguing for cutting out the 800 * 600 guys or the IE5
::::: guys etc but if you sell to consumers you're probably
::::: selling to people with a reasonably decent computer
::::: :)
::::
:::: Depends on what the site is for and who it's reaching.
:::: My reports are running over 30% viewing at 800X600
:::: month after month. I only have a small sampling of all
:::: computers out there at around 20,000 different
:::: computers per month though!! :-(
::::
:::: Tom J
 
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Jon Spivey

I'm pretty much a stats junkie so log browser info for every visitor to sql
server, browser detect is just Request.ServerVariables("HTTP_USER_AGENT").
Don't think it's reliable to do this with javascript, firefox seems to
identify itself correctly. A few different ones from today
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041110
Firefox/1.0
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7)
Gecko/20040628 Firefox/0.9.1
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040803
Firefox/0.9.3
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040707 Firefox/0.9.2
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0

For my own data I break down IE6/IE5/Firefox/Safari and "other" which
equates to bad browser - if other gets above 2% I'll worry :)
 
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Wes

Yes, I do. It's much easier on the eyes. When you're over 60 and have
tri-focals, you look for any advantage.
 
P

Paul M

Thanks Guys.
Huray for white space
Paul M
Wes said:
Yes, I do. It's much easier on the eyes. When you're over 60 and have
tri-focals, you look for any advantage.
Click to expand...
 
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Stefan B Rusynko

Plus numerous readability studies have shown that many users develop eye strain when reading continuous text on screens wider that
about a printed page width (~ 630 px)
- So it you have lots of text to read designing at ~750px wide (allowing for nav & side banners) makes sense for user ease of
reading (and possible page printing issues)




| I use a browser *window size* of 800 x 600 all the time.
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|
| > Hi
| > Does anyone actually use a browser resolution of 600*800 anymore? it
| > seems to me that have we created a standard based on old monitor
| > specifications. isn't it time we started using all of the browser
| > window
| > Paul M
 
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Ronx

Some users may run their browsers at full screen, but also enable the
various side bars associated with IE6, Firebird, Opera, Netscape 7 etc.,
thus reducing the browser width to 800px or thereabouts.

For the record, I rarely use a browser at full screen, and the only people I
know who do either have poor eyesight and use a low resolution monitor, or
are web developers (and I do not understand that.)
 
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David Baxter

What do you mean "buy a PC with an 800 * 600 screen"?

My hardware is certainly capable of other display resolutions but that
doesn't mean I have it set to the max. Like Tom, my resolution is 800 x
600 because of readability / vision.

Designing for 800 x 600 is a good idea given the 40-50% of surfers still
using that resolution -- those using higher resolutions can still view
the site fine in a window or full screen. Doing it the other way would
mean that 40-50% of visitors to your site would be required to
side-scroll line to line... a site has got to be extremely unique and
important to me to put up with that for more than about... oh... zero
seconds.
 
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