Access 2003 upgrade on Office 2007 install?

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Cheese_whiz

Hi all,

I recently took delivery of a new laptop with Office 2007 small business. I
was planning on installing my 2003 upgrade version on it but it says I have
to have an older version of office to install it?

Is that the case? Is there a way around it? Did MS really intend to make
my $100+ year old Access software unusable on a new computer?

Thanks,
CW
 
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Tony Toews [MVP]

Cheese_whiz said:
I recently took delivery of a new laptop with Office 2007 small business. I
was planning on installing my 2003 upgrade version on it but it says I have
to have an older version of office to install it?
Correct.

Is that the case? Is there a way around it? Did MS really intend to make
my $100+ year old Access software unusable on a new computer?

Correct. The way around it is to find whatever older version of
Office you used to install your Office/Access 2003 on your old
computer.

And, of course, you've removed Office/Access 2003 from your old
computer.

Tony
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Cheese_whiz

Thanks for the reply, Tony T,

I'm happy to have an answer even if I don't like the one I was given!

CW
 
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Tony Toews [MVP]

Cheese_whiz said:
Thanks for the reply, Tony T,

I'm happy to have an answer even if I don't like the one I was given!

So long as you don't do anything with the messenger.

BTW quite often all you need to do for the qualifying version is to
insert the CD into the drive when it requests it. My understanding
though is that this may have changed in Office 2007 to require that
the qualifying product be installed on the hard drive.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
 
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Chris Mills

Uh...if Cheesy Whiz took delivery of a laptop with Office2007 already
installed, then that's a separate product from what Cheesy may already have by
other means.

It is true that "Upgrade" means exactly that. If you (say) use an "Upgrade"
version from A2000 to A2002 (say), then it clearly says you cannot run the
older version because you UPGRADED.

In this case, if Office2007 was purchased and licensed independently, then
Cheesy is perfectly entitled to install some separately-sourced Access
version/upgrade path, and grin all the way to the bank <sorry!>

Technical issues of co-installing are another matter of course!

Chris

P.S. I'm not sure about A2007, but on previous versions of Office, "Small
Business" included Access Runtime (NOT FULL ACCESS) in order to run some of
the stuff in SBS. Like a user! It DID NOT include a license to on-distribute
Access Runtime, for which a Developer License was necessary. Just because you
can get hold of Access Runtime physically(e.g. you could purchase my products
and physically get it!), does not mean you are entitled to use that runtime
otherwise, and certainly not to on-distribute.

PPS And I'll state this specifically so that Microsoft can hear. EVEN THOUGH
my various Developer Upgrades state that I cannot use earlier versions of the
product, there have been and remain enough bugs in the later Access versions
to make this upgrade ideal IMPOSSIBLE!
 
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Cheese_whiz

In an eerie turn, I think Gates preemptively wiped out my original
response........so here's attempt two:

It's not a question of whether I'm entitled to, but a question of why it
won't work and why wouldn't the software vendor (*whistles in the dark*) not
be willing to accommodate one version back.

I suppose a lawyer in sheep's clothing might argue that the upgrade version
was licensed to upgrade specific versions, but as a practical matter under
the circumstances, and as a comparative to norms in the industry, I don't
think it's unreasonable to expect newer versions of office to accommodate an
older module just one version back.

I realize that almost surely requires some additional work on the vendor's
part, but I suspect it wouldn't require much work at all and it sure would
engender some goodwill with at least one POTENTIAL future customer I know :)

Just for clarification, when you try to install 2003 upgrade Access on a
computer with 2007 office installed, it says that specific versions (and it
lists them but I don't remember now which ones) of office are required to
install the upgrade version and that effectively ends the install process.
Essentially, it treats 2007 office as no office at all.

Anyway, I like the forums here and they've been most valuable. I'd hate to
find my license to drive this part of the information highway revoked, so I
think I'll call it a night!

Thanks again for the replies,
CW
 
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Chris Mills

Well,
Thankyou for confusing me with Bill Gates. I'm not, but it was a very nice
thought!
It's not a question of whether I'm entitled to, but a question of why it
won't work

Every time I've had an "Upgrade Disk" I wanted to install, it was a matter of
inserting a suitable CD that the "Upgrade" was looking for (if it wasn't
installed already). In many cases it
does not even have to be a Microsoft Disk! (MS wants to encourage you to
migrate from Corel, for instance, so a Corel disk will do in some cases!).
Regardless, the package tells you, on the side or somewhere, what products
qualify to be upgraded. You must have one of them, either installed or at
least the CD.

Tony already said as much, so I didn't expand on his, in this matter.
I suppose a lawyer in sheep's clothing might argue that the upgrade version
was licensed to upgrade specific versions, but as a practical matter under
....etc...

I didn't follow everything you said, which is my fault of course.

I can only state the upgrade procedure, which is Microsoft's, reasonable if it
works, and I agree with
at least in principle!

An "Upgrade" is for upgrading a version of Office which YOU ALREADY HAVE (you
have ALREADY PURCHASED). Microsoft says, quite rightly in principle, if you
upgrade then stop using the older version!

But from my reading, your Office2007 was purchased separately via the laptop
you got. You are trying to install A2003 on it. Even I can tell that A2003
cannot be an upgrade to A2007! (some wags might say it is!). You can only
upgrade from EARLIER. Einstein's Time Dilation would still not alter the
ORDER. So, to upgrade to A2003, it seems to me you need A2002 or earlier!
(Just the earlier CD will do, so far as I know. It is IRRELEVANT whether or
not A2007 or A5012 is present on your machine!

ALL REPORTS, to the best of my knowledge, say that ALL VERSIONS of Access can
technically co-exist on the same machine. Certainly, Allen Browne's website
reports some "gotcha's".
(how all these versions handle different versions of common dll's I'm not
sure. I personally install each Access on a different machine. But hey, that's
what all the experts say here...different versions of Accesscan co-exist!)

Assuming you can install your "upgrade" of course. Heh-heh.

As a matter of interest, a few random points:
Office 2007 is a "Major Upgrade"! They totally changed Access! I wouldn't be
surprised if there were still some problems with that. As I said, Allen
Browne's website documents some.

"a few points"? well, one point is close enough to a few isn't it?

Install an upgrade according to the rules placed on the package, and complain
to Microsoft if the upgrade didn't work! (We are not Microsoft, we're just
fellow long-suffering users, and "upgrades" have always worked as advertised
for me)(well, for the install, lets not mention more as well as unresolved
bugs in the s/w itself)

Chris
 

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