[ANN] New MathType 6.6 brings math support to over 350 applicationsand websites

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Bob Mathews

Hi,

I know many of you are already MathType users, so I wanted to let you
know about yesterday's release of MathType 6.6 for Windows. This new
release features handwritten math input via mouse, tablet, or
touchscreen, and compatibility with over 350 applications and
websites, including Google Docs, Gmail, and WordPress.

Our goal is for MathType to eventually work with all applications and
websites used by students, teachers, professors, elearning authors,
scientists, and engineers. Visit our "Works With ..." web application
at http://www.dessci.com/en/products/MathType/works_with.htm to see if
your favorites are already in our database. If you don't find the
applications you are looking for, or if you wished any of them worked
differently with MathType, let us know by emailing (e-mail address removed)
or with a tweet to @MathType.

Regards,
Bob Mathews
Design Science, Inc.
 
G

Gordon Bentley-Mix

This looks like SPAM to me, so I figure it's a good place to see if my MVP
status has been retired yet.
 
S

Suzanne S. Barnhill

It is not spam. Bob is a valued contributor to these NGs, and many Word
users are also users of MathType. This is a legitimate announcement,
properly signaled with the [ANN] label.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org
 
G

Gordon Bentley-Mix

Thank you O Keeper of the Newsgroup Gate. Consider me enlightened. You may
return to your cave now.

Suzanne S. Barnhill said:
It is not spam. Bob is a valued contributor to these NGs, and many Word
users are also users of MathType. This is a legitimate announcement,
properly signaled with the [ANN] label.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Gordon Bentley-Mix said:
This looks like SPAM to me, so I figure it's a good place to see if my
MVP status has been retired yet.
 
G

Gordon Bentley-Mix

On the bright side, I see that my MVP status has now been revoked, so at
least I accomplished my original goal. The fact that I raised the ire of one
of the main individuals that makes me extremely thankful to no longer be
associated with the programme is just icing on the cake...

Gordon Bentley-Mix said:
Thank you O Keeper of the Newsgroup Gate. Consider me enlightened. You may
return to your cave now.

Suzanne S. Barnhill said:
It is not spam. Bob is a valued contributor to these NGs, and many Word
users are also users of MathType. This is a legitimate announcement,
properly signaled with the [ANN] label.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Gordon Bentley-Mix said:
This looks like SPAM to me, so I figure it's a good place to see if my
MVP status has been retired yet.

Hi,

I know many of you are already MathType users, so I wanted to let you
know about yesterday's release of MathType 6.6 for Windows. This new
release features handwritten math input via mouse, tablet, or
touchscreen, and compatibility with over 350 applications and
websites, including Google Docs, Gmail, and WordPress.

Our goal is for MathType to eventually work with all applications and
websites used by students, teachers, professors, elearning authors,
scientists, and engineers. Visit our "Works With ..." web application
at http://www.dessci.com/en/products/MathType/works_with.htm to see if
your favorites are already in our database. If you don't find the
applications you are looking for, or if you wished any of them worked
differently with MathType, let us know by emailing (e-mail address removed)
or with a tweet to @MathType.

Regards,
Bob Mathews
Design Science, Inc.
 
D

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

As it was posted separately to multiple newsgroups .....

--
Hope this helps,

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

Please reply only to the newsgroups unless you wish to obtain my services on
a paid professional basis.

Suzanne S. Barnhill said:
It is not spam. Bob is a valued contributor to these NGs, and many Word
users are also users of MathType. This is a legitimate announcement,
properly signaled with the [ANN] label.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Gordon Bentley-Mix said:
This looks like SPAM to me, so I figure it's a good place to see if my
MVP status has been retired yet.
 
G

Gordon Bentley-Mix

Now I'm confused. Does posting it separately to multiple newsgroups - with
or without the [ANN] label - make it SPAM or not SPAM?

And if I posted a link to some dodgy website but signaled properly, would it
be OK? Of course, I'm assuming that I fit the "valued contributor" category,
having until _very_ recently been an MVP and having posted more than five
times in the last three months (and in none of my posts have I ever advised
someone to visit a website or use a product that I'm personally associate
with).

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure MathType is a great product and does stuff that
Word's native equation editor (whatever that is) can't do. However, posts
that appear to be intended to generate some type of commercial gain for the
poster certainly look like SPAM to me. From the Rules of Conduct for the
MSFT Discussion Groups:

Advertising/Solicitation: These communities were created as a forum for
providing peer-to-peer assistance on Microsoft products and services. We ask
that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that do not
pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or chat.

I also note that there is no mention of the [ANN] label or any other "King's
X" special method of identifying a post as being exempt from the rules. In
fact, if I still had the power to do so (and could be bothered) I'd probably
report this thread as SPAM and ask for it to be removed.
--
Cheers!

Gordon Bentley-Mix

Doug Robbins - Word MVP said:
As it was posted separately to multiple newsgroups .....

--
Hope this helps,

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

Please reply only to the newsgroups unless you wish to obtain my services
on
a paid professional basis.

Suzanne S. Barnhill said:
It is not spam. Bob is a valued contributor to these NGs, and many Word
users are also users of MathType. This is a legitimate announcement,
properly signaled with the [ANN] label.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Gordon Bentley-Mix said:
This looks like SPAM to me, so I figure it's a good place to see if my
MVP status has been retired yet.

Hi,

I know many of you are already MathType users, so I wanted to let you
know about yesterday's release of MathType 6.6 for Windows. This new
release features handwritten math input via mouse, tablet, or
touchscreen, and compatibility with over 350 applications and
websites, including Google Docs, Gmail, and WordPress.

Our goal is for MathType to eventually work with all applications and
websites used by students, teachers, professors, elearning authors,
scientists, and engineers. Visit our "Works With ..." web application
at http://www.dessci.com/en/products/MathType/works_with.htm to see if
your favorites are already in our database. If you don't find the
applications you are looking for, or if you wished any of them worked
differently with MathType, let us know by emailing (e-mail address removed)
or with a tweet to @MathType.

Regards,
Bob Mathews
Design Science, Inc.
 
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Greg Maxey

Gordon,

A Google search here returned 11 posts from a Bob Matthews so perhaps 10 is
the magic number that elevates one to the "valued contributor" category.

Personally I don't see cause for concern. It is folks in Ms. Barnhill's
"frequent and valuable contributor who is unfailingly polite" category that
needs watching.

Google [ANN] and you get 225 million hits. If you care to look long enough
you will find that ANN properly lables an announcement date as well as up to
18 other things:

ANN Annual
ANN Annals
ANN Anime News Network (Anime web site)
ANN Artificial Neural Network
ANN Annealed
ANN Asia News Network
ANN Annunciator
ANN Announcement Date
ANN Arab News Network
ANN Alianza Nueva Nación (Spanish: New Nation Alliance, Guatemala)
ANN Angry Nintendo Nerd
ANN Armenian News Network
ANN Answer Signal, No Charge
ANN assign NNX routing (US DoD)
ANN Answer No-Charge (ITU-T)
ANN Auditing Network Needs
ANN Azer.Net News Network
ANN Aluminum Nitrate Nonhydrate
ANN Automated Neural Net


Really Gordon, i should have been obvious ;-)

Now I'm confused. Does posting it separately to multiple newsgroups -
with or without the [ANN] label - make it SPAM or not SPAM?

And if I posted a link to some dodgy website but signaled properly,
would it be OK? Of course, I'm assuming that I fit the "valued
contributor" category, having until _very_ recently been an MVP and
having posted more than five times in the last three months (and in
none of my posts have I ever advised someone to visit a website or
use a product that I'm personally associate with).

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure MathType is a great product and does
stuff that Word's native equation editor (whatever that is) can't do.
However, posts that appear to be intended to generate some type of
commercial gain for the poster certainly look like SPAM to me. From
the Rules of Conduct for the MSFT Discussion Groups:

Advertising/Solicitation: These communities were created as a forum
for providing peer-to-peer assistance on Microsoft products and
services. We ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or
solicitations that do not pertain directly to the intended use and
purpose of the newsgroup or chat.
I also note that there is no mention of the [ANN] label or any other
"King's X" special method of identifying a post as being exempt from
the rules. In fact, if I still had the power to do so (and could be
bothered) I'd probably report this thread as SPAM and ask for it to
be removed.
Doug Robbins - Word MVP said:
As it was posted separately to multiple newsgroups .....

--
Hope this helps,

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

Please reply only to the newsgroups unless you wish to obtain my
services on
a paid professional basis.

Suzanne S. Barnhill said:
It is not spam. Bob is a valued contributor to these NGs, and many
Word users are also users of MathType. This is a legitimate
announcement, properly signaled with the [ANN] label.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

This looks like SPAM to me, so I figure it's a good place to see
if my MVP status has been retired yet.

Hi,

I know many of you are already MathType users, so I wanted to let
you know about yesterday's release of MathType 6.6 for Windows.
This new release features handwritten math input via mouse,
tablet, or touchscreen, and compatibility with over 350
applications and websites, including Google Docs, Gmail, and
WordPress. Our goal is for MathType to eventually work with all
applications
and websites used by students, teachers, professors, elearning
authors, scientists, and engineers. Visit our "Works With ..."
web application at
http://www.dessci.com/en/products/MathType/works_with.htm to see
if your favorites are already in our database. If you don't find
the applications you are looking for, or if you wished any of
them worked differently with MathType, let us know by emailing
(e-mail address removed) or with a tweet to @MathType. Regards,
Bob Mathews
Design Science, Inc.
 
S

Suzanne S. Barnhill

Indeed, cross-posting would have been more appropriate.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Doug Robbins - Word MVP said:
As it was posted separately to multiple newsgroups .....

--
Hope this helps,

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

Please reply only to the newsgroups unless you wish to obtain my services
on
a paid professional basis.

Suzanne S. Barnhill said:
It is not spam. Bob is a valued contributor to these NGs, and many Word
users are also users of MathType. This is a legitimate announcement,
properly signaled with the [ANN] label.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Gordon Bentley-Mix said:
This looks like SPAM to me, so I figure it's a good place to see if my
MVP status has been retired yet.

Hi,

I know many of you are already MathType users, so I wanted to let you
know about yesterday's release of MathType 6.6 for Windows. This new
release features handwritten math input via mouse, tablet, or
touchscreen, and compatibility with over 350 applications and
websites, including Google Docs, Gmail, and WordPress.

Our goal is for MathType to eventually work with all applications and
websites used by students, teachers, professors, elearning authors,
scientists, and engineers. Visit our "Works With ..." web application
at http://www.dessci.com/en/products/MathType/works_with.htm to see if
your favorites are already in our database. If you don't find the
applications you are looking for, or if you wished any of them worked
differently with MathType, let us know by emailing (e-mail address removed)
or with a tweet to @MathType.

Regards,
Bob Mathews
Design Science, Inc.
 
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Suzanne S. Barnhill

It is true that Bob works for Design Science. Part of his job is to help
MathType and Equation Editor users in these NGs. He therefore keeps an eye
on the NGs for posts with questions on those specific topics. If he has few
posts, it is because there are few questions. When he refers users to the
Design Science FAQs, it is because they answer the users' questions, in the
same way that we refer them to MSKB pages or articles at our own Web sites.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Gordon Bentley-Mix said:
Now I'm confused. Does posting it separately to multiple newsgroups - with
or without the [ANN] label - make it SPAM or not SPAM?

And if I posted a link to some dodgy website but signaled properly, would
it be OK? Of course, I'm assuming that I fit the "valued contributor"
category, having until _very_ recently been an MVP and having posted more
than five times in the last three months (and in none of my posts have I
ever advised someone to visit a website or use a product that I'm
personally associate with).

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure MathType is a great product and does stuff
that Word's native equation editor (whatever that is) can't do. However,
posts that appear to be intended to generate some type of commercial gain
for the poster certainly look like SPAM to me. From the Rules of Conduct
for the MSFT Discussion Groups:

Advertising/Solicitation: These communities were created as a forum for
providing peer-to-peer assistance on Microsoft products and services. We
ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that do
not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or
chat.

I also note that there is no mention of the [ANN] label or any other
"King's X" special method of identifying a post as being exempt from the
rules. In fact, if I still had the power to do so (and could be bothered)
I'd probably report this thread as SPAM and ask for it to be removed.
--
Cheers!

Gordon Bentley-Mix

Doug Robbins - Word MVP said:
As it was posted separately to multiple newsgroups .....

--
Hope this helps,

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

Please reply only to the newsgroups unless you wish to obtain my services
on
a paid professional basis.

Suzanne S. Barnhill said:
It is not spam. Bob is a valued contributor to these NGs, and many Word
users are also users of MathType. This is a legitimate announcement,
properly signaled with the [ANN] label.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

This looks like SPAM to me, so I figure it's a good place to see if my
MVP status has been retired yet.

Hi,

I know many of you are already MathType users, so I wanted to let you
know about yesterday's release of MathType 6.6 for Windows. This new
release features handwritten math input via mouse, tablet, or
touchscreen, and compatibility with over 350 applications and
websites, including Google Docs, Gmail, and WordPress.

Our goal is for MathType to eventually work with all applications and
websites used by students, teachers, professors, elearning authors,
scientists, and engineers. Visit our "Works With ..." web application
at http://www.dessci.com/en/products/MathType/works_with.htm to see if
your favorites are already in our database. If you don't find the
applications you are looking for, or if you wished any of them worked
differently with MathType, let us know by emailing (e-mail address removed)
or with a tweet to @MathType.

Regards,
Bob Mathews
Design Science, Inc.
 
S

Suzanne S. Barnhill

If your status has been "revoked," it must have been at your request, since
your award year (I assume) runs through December 31.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Gordon Bentley-Mix said:
On the bright side, I see that my MVP status has now been revoked, so at
least I accomplished my original goal. The fact that I raised the ire of
one of the main individuals that makes me extremely thankful to no longer
be associated with the programme is just icing on the cake...

Gordon Bentley-Mix said:
Thank you O Keeper of the Newsgroup Gate. Consider me enlightened. You
may return to your cave now.

Suzanne S. Barnhill said:
It is not spam. Bob is a valued contributor to these NGs, and many Word
users are also users of MathType. This is a legitimate announcement,
properly signaled with the [ANN] label.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

This looks like SPAM to me, so I figure it's a good place to see if my
MVP status has been retired yet.

Hi,

I know many of you are already MathType users, so I wanted to let you
know about yesterday's release of MathType 6.6 for Windows. This new
release features handwritten math input via mouse, tablet, or
touchscreen, and compatibility with over 350 applications and
websites, including Google Docs, Gmail, and WordPress.

Our goal is for MathType to eventually work with all applications and
websites used by students, teachers, professors, elearning authors,
scientists, and engineers. Visit our "Works With ..." web application
at http://www.dessci.com/en/products/MathType/works_with.htm to see if
your favorites are already in our database. If you don't find the
applications you are looking for, or if you wished any of them worked
differently with MathType, let us know by emailing (e-mail address removed)
or with a tweet to @MathType.

Regards,
Bob Mathews
Design Science, Inc.
 
B

Bob Mathews

Point well taken -- indeed it would have been more appropriate, and I
understand why. Sorry for the mixup this time.

--
Bob Mathews
Director of Training
Design Science, Inc.
bobm at dessci.com
http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news
FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType
MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor
 
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Gordon Bentley-Mix

That's between me and my lead. Stay out of it you nosy cow.

Suzanne S. Barnhill said:
If your status has been "revoked," it must have been at your request,
since your award year (I assume) runs through December 31.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Gordon Bentley-Mix said:
On the bright side, I see that my MVP status has now been revoked, so at
least I accomplished my original goal. The fact that I raised the ire of
one of the main individuals that makes me extremely thankful to no longer
be associated with the programme is just icing on the cake...

Gordon Bentley-Mix said:
Thank you O Keeper of the Newsgroup Gate. Consider me enlightened. You
may return to your cave now.

It is not spam. Bob is a valued contributor to these NGs, and many Word
users are also users of MathType. This is a legitimate announcement,
properly signaled with the [ANN] label.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

This looks like SPAM to me, so I figure it's a good place to see if my
MVP status has been retired yet.

Hi,

I know many of you are already MathType users, so I wanted to let you
know about yesterday's release of MathType 6.6 for Windows. This new
release features handwritten math input via mouse, tablet, or
touchscreen, and compatibility with over 350 applications and
websites, including Google Docs, Gmail, and WordPress.

Our goal is for MathType to eventually work with all applications and
websites used by students, teachers, professors, elearning authors,
scientists, and engineers. Visit our "Works With ..." web application
at http://www.dessci.com/en/products/MathType/works_with.htm to see
if
your favorites are already in our database. If you don't find the
applications you are looking for, or if you wished any of them worked
differently with MathType, let us know by emailing (e-mail address removed)
or with a tweet to @MathType.

Regards,
Bob Mathews
Design Science, Inc.
 
G

Gordon Bentley-Mix

D'OH!

~smacking forehead~
--
Cheers!

Gordon Bentley-Mix

Greg Maxey said:
Gordon,

A Google search here returned 11 posts from a Bob Matthews so perhaps 10
is the magic number that elevates one to the "valued contributor"
category.

Personally I don't see cause for concern. It is folks in Ms. Barnhill's
"frequent and valuable contributor who is unfailingly polite" category
that needs watching.

Google [ANN] and you get 225 million hits. If you care to look long
enough you will find that ANN properly lables an announcement date as well
as up to 18 other things:

ANN Annual
ANN Annals
ANN Anime News Network (Anime web site)
ANN Artificial Neural Network
ANN Annealed
ANN Asia News Network
ANN Annunciator
ANN Announcement Date
ANN Arab News Network
ANN Alianza Nueva Nación (Spanish: New Nation Alliance, Guatemala)
ANN Angry Nintendo Nerd
ANN Armenian News Network
ANN Answer Signal, No Charge
ANN assign NNX routing (US DoD)
ANN Answer No-Charge (ITU-T)
ANN Auditing Network Needs
ANN Azer.Net News Network
ANN Aluminum Nitrate Nonhydrate
ANN Automated Neural Net


Really Gordon, i should have been obvious ;-)

Now I'm confused. Does posting it separately to multiple newsgroups -
with or without the [ANN] label - make it SPAM or not SPAM?

And if I posted a link to some dodgy website but signaled properly,
would it be OK? Of course, I'm assuming that I fit the "valued
contributor" category, having until _very_ recently been an MVP and
having posted more than five times in the last three months (and in
none of my posts have I ever advised someone to visit a website or
use a product that I'm personally associate with).

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure MathType is a great product and does
stuff that Word's native equation editor (whatever that is) can't do.
However, posts that appear to be intended to generate some type of
commercial gain for the poster certainly look like SPAM to me. From
the Rules of Conduct for the MSFT Discussion Groups:

Advertising/Solicitation: These communities were created as a forum
for providing peer-to-peer assistance on Microsoft products and
services. We ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or
solicitations that do not pertain directly to the intended use and
purpose of the newsgroup or chat.
I also note that there is no mention of the [ANN] label or any other
"King's X" special method of identifying a post as being exempt from
the rules. In fact, if I still had the power to do so (and could be
bothered) I'd probably report this thread as SPAM and ask for it to
be removed.
Doug Robbins - Word MVP said:
As it was posted separately to multiple newsgroups .....

--
Hope this helps,

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

Please reply only to the newsgroups unless you wish to obtain my
services on
a paid professional basis.

It is not spam. Bob is a valued contributor to these NGs, and many
Word users are also users of MathType. This is a legitimate
announcement, properly signaled with the [ANN] label.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

This looks like SPAM to me, so I figure it's a good place to see
if my MVP status has been retired yet.

Hi,

I know many of you are already MathType users, so I wanted to let
you know about yesterday's release of MathType 6.6 for Windows.
This new release features handwritten math input via mouse,
tablet, or touchscreen, and compatibility with over 350
applications and websites, including Google Docs, Gmail, and
WordPress. Our goal is for MathType to eventually work with all
applications
and websites used by students, teachers, professors, elearning
authors, scientists, and engineers. Visit our "Works With ..."
web application at
http://www.dessci.com/en/products/MathType/works_with.htm to see
if your favorites are already in our database. If you don't find
the applications you are looking for, or if you wished any of
them worked differently with MathType, let us know by emailing
(e-mail address removed) or with a tweet to @MathType. Regards,
Bob Mathews
Design Science, Inc.
 
S

Suzanne S. Barnhill

You were the one who brought it up in this public forum.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Gordon Bentley-Mix said:
That's between me and my lead. Stay out of it you nosy cow.

Suzanne S. Barnhill said:
If your status has been "revoked," it must have been at your request,
since your award year (I assume) runs through December 31.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Gordon Bentley-Mix said:
On the bright side, I see that my MVP status has now been revoked, so at
least I accomplished my original goal. The fact that I raised the ire of
one of the main individuals that makes me extremely thankful to no
longer be associated with the programme is just icing on the cake...

Thank you O Keeper of the Newsgroup Gate. Consider me enlightened. You
may return to your cave now.

It is not spam. Bob is a valued contributor to these NGs, and many
Word users are also users of MathType. This is a legitimate
announcement, properly signaled with the [ANN] label.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

This looks like SPAM to me, so I figure it's a good place to see if
my MVP status has been retired yet.

Hi,

I know many of you are already MathType users, so I wanted to let
you
know about yesterday's release of MathType 6.6 for Windows. This new
release features handwritten math input via mouse, tablet, or
touchscreen, and compatibility with over 350 applications and
websites, including Google Docs, Gmail, and WordPress.

Our goal is for MathType to eventually work with all applications
and
websites used by students, teachers, professors, elearning authors,
scientists, and engineers. Visit our "Works With ..." web
application
at http://www.dessci.com/en/products/MathType/works_with.htm to see
if
your favorites are already in our database. If you don't find the
applications you are looking for, or if you wished any of them
worked
differently with MathType, let us know by emailing
(e-mail address removed)
or with a tweet to @MathType.

Regards,
Bob Mathews
Design Science, Inc.
 
G

Gordon Bentley-Mix

I said _exactly_ what I wanted to say in this public forum, and I do not
recall inviting comment or speculation on the matter. My status has been
revoked. The why and wherefore are NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS so keep your pointy
little head out of it - especially since you are wrong.

Suzanne S. Barnhill said:
You were the one who brought it up in this public forum.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Gordon Bentley-Mix said:
That's between me and my lead. Stay out of it you nosy cow.

Suzanne S. Barnhill said:
If your status has been "revoked," it must have been at your request,
since your award year (I assume) runs through December 31.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

On the bright side, I see that my MVP status has now been revoked, so
at least I accomplished my original goal. The fact that I raised the
ire of one of the main individuals that makes me extremely thankful to
no longer be associated with the programme is just icing on the cake...

Thank you O Keeper of the Newsgroup Gate. Consider me enlightened. You
may return to your cave now.

It is not spam. Bob is a valued contributor to these NGs, and many
Word users are also users of MathType. This is a legitimate
announcement, properly signaled with the [ANN] label.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

This looks like SPAM to me, so I figure it's a good place to see if
my MVP status has been retired yet.

Hi,

I know many of you are already MathType users, so I wanted to let
you
know about yesterday's release of MathType 6.6 for Windows. This
new
release features handwritten math input via mouse, tablet, or
touchscreen, and compatibility with over 350 applications and
websites, including Google Docs, Gmail, and WordPress.

Our goal is for MathType to eventually work with all applications
and
websites used by students, teachers, professors, elearning authors,
scientists, and engineers. Visit our "Works With ..." web
application
at http://www.dessci.com/en/products/MathType/works_with.htm to see
if
your favorites are already in our database. If you don't find the
applications you are looking for, or if you wished any of them
worked
differently with MathType, let us know by emailing
(e-mail address removed)
or with a tweet to @MathType.

Regards,
Bob Mathews
Design Science, Inc.
 
P

Peter T. Daniels

I said _exactly_ what I wanted to say in this public forum, and I do not
recall inviting comment or speculation on the matter.

Saying something in a public forum _is_ an invitation to comment.
 
G

Gordon Bentley-Mix

No show without Punch eh? Rushing to your dream date's defense right on cue.
You can keep your pointy little head out of it as well Petey.
 
G

Gordon Bentley-Mix

There are so many holes in that argument it makes a slice of Swiss cheese
look like a neutron star.

AFAIK, MathType and Equation Editor are not MSFT products - just like (for
example) Adobe Acrobat is not a MSFT product. Both work with Word and other
Office products, but when there are questions about Acrobat/PDF maker, I
don't see reps from Adobe posting answers here. The usual response from the
community is "contact Adobe support". Accordingly, rather than prowl the
MSFT NGs looking for lost lambs, I would expect Design Science to host their
own user support forums and for this community (or even Bob) to direct
posters to it as need be.

And while I'm sure referring posters to the Design Science FAQs is the
correct response in many cases, this particular thread is clearly not one
such case. No one asked a question, and there is no reference to said FAQs
anywhere apart from this particular post. This thread was initiated as
advertising plain and simple - with or without the magic [ANN] label - and
the Rules of Conduct clearly ask posters to refrain from such activities. In
addition, as Doug points out, it was posted separately to multiple NGs,
which fits my definition of SPAM as well. (However, as Bob has since
apologised for this oversight, I'm not especially concerned about it.)

In any case, there is still a big difference between you (note that I don't
say "us" because I'm no longer part of the in crowd) referring posters to
the MSFT knowledge base or the MVP website or "personal" sites like yours,
Greg's, Graham's, Shauna's, etc. For the most part, none of you have a
direct financial interest in directing traffic to any of those sites. Oh
sure some of you might own a bit of MSFT stock and thus may have a
highly-tenuous interest in the success of MSFT, and the owners of the
personal sites may advertise their services or generate a tiny bit of
revenue from Google ads and the like, but that hardly compares to a full
e-commerce storefront.

Finally, I still say that this thread looks like SPAM, and as such I believe
it's fair game for doing what I was trying to do: determine if my MVP status
has been revoked. As was evident from my second post in this thread, it
clearly has been revoked so my goal has been met. And had you just stayed
out of it, the peace and harmony of the community - something that you've
preached to me about so many times before - would have been considerably
less disturbed. One day maybe you'll figure out that this is NOT your own
personal newsgroup and give up on sticking your nose into everything. Until
that day comes I suggest that you at least refrain from posting in response
to my posts. If I ever need or want your help (or the help of the clearly
smitten Mr Daniels), I'll ask for - and you can rest assured it'll be a long
time before that request is made.

Suzanne S. Barnhill said:
It is true that Bob works for Design Science. Part of his job is to help
MathType and Equation Editor users in these NGs. He therefore keeps an eye
on the NGs for posts with questions on those specific topics. If he has
few posts, it is because there are few questions. When he refers users to
the Design Science FAQs, it is because they answer the users' questions,
in the same way that we refer them to MSKB pages or articles at our own
Web sites.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Gordon Bentley-Mix said:
Now I'm confused. Does posting it separately to multiple newsgroups -
with or without the [ANN] label - make it SPAM or not SPAM?

And if I posted a link to some dodgy website but signaled properly, would
it be OK? Of course, I'm assuming that I fit the "valued contributor"
category, having until _very_ recently been an MVP and having posted more
than five times in the last three months (and in none of my posts have I
ever advised someone to visit a website or use a product that I'm
personally associate with).

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure MathType is a great product and does stuff
that Word's native equation editor (whatever that is) can't do. However,
posts that appear to be intended to generate some type of commercial gain
for the poster certainly look like SPAM to me. From the Rules of Conduct
for the MSFT Discussion Groups:

Advertising/Solicitation: These communities were created as a forum for
providing peer-to-peer assistance on Microsoft products and services. We
ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that do
not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup or
chat.

I also note that there is no mention of the [ANN] label or any other
"King's X" special method of identifying a post as being exempt from the
rules. In fact, if I still had the power to do so (and could be bothered)
I'd probably report this thread as SPAM and ask for it to be removed.
--
Cheers!

Gordon Bentley-Mix

Doug Robbins - Word MVP said:
As it was posted separately to multiple newsgroups .....

--
Hope this helps,

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

Please reply only to the newsgroups unless you wish to obtain my
services on
a paid professional basis.

It is not spam. Bob is a valued contributor to these NGs, and many Word
users are also users of MathType. This is a legitimate announcement,
properly signaled with the [ANN] label.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

This looks like SPAM to me, so I figure it's a good place to see if my
MVP status has been retired yet.

Hi,

I know many of you are already MathType users, so I wanted to let you
know about yesterday's release of MathType 6.6 for Windows. This new
release features handwritten math input via mouse, tablet, or
touchscreen, and compatibility with over 350 applications and
websites, including Google Docs, Gmail, and WordPress.

Our goal is for MathType to eventually work with all applications and
websites used by students, teachers, professors, elearning authors,
scientists, and engineers. Visit our "Works With ..." web application
at http://www.dessci.com/en/products/MathType/works_with.htm to see
if
your favorites are already in our database. If you don't find the
applications you are looking for, or if you wished any of them worked
differently with MathType, let us know by emailing (e-mail address removed)
or with a tweet to @MathType.

Regards,
Bob Mathews
Design Science, Inc.
 
S

Suzanne S. Barnhill

One clarification: Equation Editor does ship as part of Microsoft Word, even
though the version used in Word 2003 and earlier was created by an outside
concern. In Word 2007, MS took over creation of its own editor. This is a
continuation of a trend to bring in-house a number of parts of Word
previously contracted out, including spelling lexicons and drawing tools.
While the makers of those third-party tools have never (to my knowledge)
maintained a presence in these NGs, I feel sure that users would have found
it helpful, since Word's Help on spelling issues and drawing features such
as WordArt (not to mention Microsoft Graph) has never been especially
strong.

This is the first time I've seen an overt product announcement from Design
Science in these NGs, and, while I would tend to agree that it was unwise, I
don't think it deserved the kerfuffle it's generated.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Gordon Bentley-Mix said:
There are so many holes in that argument it makes a slice of Swiss cheese
look like a neutron star.

AFAIK, MathType and Equation Editor are not MSFT products - just like (for
example) Adobe Acrobat is not a MSFT product. Both work with Word and
other Office products, but when there are questions about Acrobat/PDF
maker, I don't see reps from Adobe posting answers here. The usual
response from the community is "contact Adobe support". Accordingly,
rather than prowl the MSFT NGs looking for lost lambs, I would expect
Design Science to host their own user support forums and for this
community (or even Bob) to direct posters to it as need be.

And while I'm sure referring posters to the Design Science FAQs is the
correct response in many cases, this particular thread is clearly not one
such case. No one asked a question, and there is no reference to said FAQs
anywhere apart from this particular post. This thread was initiated as
advertising plain and simple - with or without the magic [ANN] label - and
the Rules of Conduct clearly ask posters to refrain from such activities.
In addition, as Doug points out, it was posted separately to multiple NGs,
which fits my definition of SPAM as well. (However, as Bob has since
apologised for this oversight, I'm not especially concerned about it.)

In any case, there is still a big difference between you (note that I
don't say "us" because I'm no longer part of the in crowd) referring
posters to the MSFT knowledge base or the MVP website or "personal" sites
like yours, Greg's, Graham's, Shauna's, etc. For the most part, none of
you have a direct financial interest in directing traffic to any of those
sites. Oh sure some of you might own a bit of MSFT stock and thus may have
a highly-tenuous interest in the success of MSFT, and the owners of the
personal sites may advertise their services or generate a tiny bit of
revenue from Google ads and the like, but that hardly compares to a full
e-commerce storefront.

Finally, I still say that this thread looks like SPAM, and as such I
believe it's fair game for doing what I was trying to do: determine if my
MVP status has been revoked. As was evident from my second post in this
thread, it clearly has been revoked so my goal has been met. And had you
just stayed out of it, the peace and harmony of the community - something
that you've preached to me about so many times before - would have been
considerably less disturbed. One day maybe you'll figure out that this is
NOT your own personal newsgroup and give up on sticking your nose into
everything. Until that day comes I suggest that you at least refrain from
posting in response to my posts. If I ever need or want your help (or the
help of the clearly smitten Mr Daniels), I'll ask for - and you can rest
assured it'll be a long time before that request is made.

Suzanne S. Barnhill said:
It is true that Bob works for Design Science. Part of his job is to help
MathType and Equation Editor users in these NGs. He therefore keeps an
eye on the NGs for posts with questions on those specific topics. If he
has few posts, it is because there are few questions. When he refers
users to the Design Science FAQs, it is because they answer the users'
questions, in the same way that we refer them to MSKB pages or articles
at our own Web sites.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

Gordon Bentley-Mix said:
Now I'm confused. Does posting it separately to multiple newsgroups -
with or without the [ANN] label - make it SPAM or not SPAM?

And if I posted a link to some dodgy website but signaled properly,
would it be OK? Of course, I'm assuming that I fit the "valued
contributor" category, having until _very_ recently been an MVP and
having posted more than five times in the last three months (and in none
of my posts have I ever advised someone to visit a website or use a
product that I'm personally associate with).

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure MathType is a great product and does stuff
that Word's native equation editor (whatever that is) can't do. However,
posts that appear to be intended to generate some type of commercial
gain for the poster certainly look like SPAM to me. From the Rules of
Conduct for the MSFT Discussion Groups:

Advertising/Solicitation: These communities were created as a forum for
providing peer-to-peer assistance on Microsoft products and services. We
ask that you refrain from posting advertisements or solicitations that
do not pertain directly to the intended use and purpose of the newsgroup
or chat.

I also note that there is no mention of the [ANN] label or any other
"King's X" special method of identifying a post as being exempt from the
rules. In fact, if I still had the power to do so (and could be
bothered) I'd probably report this thread as SPAM and ask for it to be
removed.
--
Cheers!

Gordon Bentley-Mix

As it was posted separately to multiple newsgroups .....

--
Hope this helps,

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

Please reply only to the newsgroups unless you wish to obtain my
services on
a paid professional basis.

It is not spam. Bob is a valued contributor to these NGs, and many
Word users are also users of MathType. This is a legitimate
announcement, properly signaled with the [ANN] label.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

This looks like SPAM to me, so I figure it's a good place to see if
my MVP status has been retired yet.

Hi,

I know many of you are already MathType users, so I wanted to let
you
know about yesterday's release of MathType 6.6 for Windows. This new
release features handwritten math input via mouse, tablet, or
touchscreen, and compatibility with over 350 applications and
websites, including Google Docs, Gmail, and WordPress.

Our goal is for MathType to eventually work with all applications
and
websites used by students, teachers, professors, elearning authors,
scientists, and engineers. Visit our "Works With ..." web
application
at http://www.dessci.com/en/products/MathType/works_with.htm to see
if
your favorites are already in our database. If you don't find the
applications you are looking for, or if you wished any of them
worked
differently with MathType, let us know by emailing
(e-mail address removed)
or with a tweet to @MathType.

Regards,
Bob Mathews
Design Science, Inc.
 

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