Keep in mind that some hosts cache web changes and they may not show up for
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Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression
| You are welcome.
|
| I suspect that the problem your friend is having is the "web accelerator"
or
| some other option specific to Earthlink and AOL. The "accelerator" is
| supposed to speed up the loading time of pages, and it does this by
messing
| with the images. It resamples them and offers a low resolution, or even no
| pictures at all, in order to speed up the loading time of the page. The
one
| time I tried the "accelerator", it made the pages look so bad, and didn't
| significantly increase the download time, so I dumped it.
|
| I guess what I am trying to say, is that chances are it won't matter what
| you do, or what you build the site with, the pages are not going to look
| good if they don't change their settings.
|
| The pages do load in FireFox now, but the images are loading slowly, and
| some are PNG. This suggests to me that you did not uncheck "Allow Png"
| and/or you did not compress the pictures. As per the uploading issue, go
| delete all the old files off the server...the index.htm and the index.html
| file. Then also run the design checker one more time to make sure your new
| "design" isn't messing things up. If an upload hangs, it can mean that you
| have a design element overlapping the scratch area...or the picture files
| are so large, it is timing out.
|
| Good luck with whatever you choose to do, but as I said, I doubt that any
| program is going to work with your friends' setup.
|
| DavidF
|
| | > David, Thanks again for all your help!
| >
| > I followed your instructions. I redesigned the site a little. The site
is
| > live again but is still not working in Earthlink or Aol. I created this
| > website for a friend. She has Earthlink and is on dial-up. Since the
| > results on Earthlink are the same as before, she wants me to scrub this
| > one
| > and try to do one with the hosting website's website builder. Publisher
| > has
| > issues and I'm not computer literate enough to solve them. I wasn't
able
| > to
| > save the whole website to the server, publisher stopped responding
during
| > the
| > saving to the web. 2 of the pages didn't make it. I tried to publish it
| > again with the encremental turned on but the program wouldn't save to
the
| > server. In firefox my email buttons wouldn't work where they would in
IE.
| > No
| > graphics showed up on aol. Everything was overly large, over top of
text,
| > words missing, no backgrounds or partial backgrounds,it just looked like
a
| > big jumbled mess on Earthlink.
| > I will be removing the website tomorrow from the server. I thank you
again
| > for your detailed, helpful instructions and comments.
| >
| > If you aren't a MVP for Microsoft you should be! You are very helpful
and
| > knowledgeable.
| >
| > Jody
| >
| > "DavidF" wrote:
| >
| >> You are welcome. Don't let all the words overwhelm you. The steps to
fix
| >> your site are not that many and straightforward...
| >>
| >> DavidF
| >>
| >> | >> > Thank you DavidF for all this information. I will try and get my
mind
| >> > around
| >> > it and follow it to the best of my ability. I'm just relieved that
| >> > there
| >> > is
| >> > some hope of straightening my problem out.
| >> >
| >> > Jody
| >> >
| >> > "DavidF" wrote:
| >> >
| >> >> If you focus on getting your site to render properly in IE and
| >> >> FireFox,
| >> >> then
| >> >> your site will load properly in most browsers. So the first thing
you
| >> >> should
| >> >> do is download and install FireFox.
| >> >>
http://en.www.mozilla.com/en/firefox/
| >> >> It is a relatively small file size and a quick download...and is
free.
| >> >> When
| >> >> you install it watch carefully for the different options, and be
sure
| >> >> to
| >> >> opt
| >> >> out of making it the default browser, so you can still use IE as the
| >> >> default
| >> >> browser.
| >> >>
| >> >> Then when you want to test your Pub webpages in FF, just "Publish to
| >> >> the
| >> >> Web" and direct the html output, the index.htm file and the
| >> >> index_files
| >> >> folder, to your computer where you can easily find them. (Make note
of
| >> >> where
| >> >> the setting is before you change it, as you will want to change it
| >> >> back
| >> >> after you have tested your website on your computer, in order to
| >> >> upload
| >> >> new
| >> >> files to your web host) I create a folder on the Desktop for this
| >> >> purpose
| >> >> as
| >> >> it is easy to find later, and to delete when I am done with it. Then
| >> >> open
| >> >> FireFox and go to File > Open File and browse to where you put the
| >> >> index.htm
| >> >> file, and open it. This way you can preview and test the page before
| >> >> you
| >> >> upload it. ( You can also just go to your index.htm file and right
| >> >> click,
| >> >> open with, and choose FF.)
| >> >>
| >> >> Now you are ready to change your Publisher file.
| >> >>
| >> >> First of all if you are using a Master Page in your document, then
| >> >> don't.
| >> >> This works fine in a print doc, but not a web doc. Go to View >
Master
| >> >> Page.
| >> >> If you have anything on the master page, move it to the main
document
| >> >> page.
| >> >> If it is blank, then move on to the next step.
| >> >>
| >> >> Go to Tools > Options > Web tab and uncheck "Rely on VML..." and
| >> >> "Allow
| >> >> PNG....". This is probably the singular most important step to take,
| >> >> as
| >> >> much
| >> >> of the problem with Pub web sites not viewing in FF has to do with
| >> >> VML.
| >> >>
| >> >> Then you will want to compress the images and graphics. Reference:
| >> >> Compress
| >> >> graphics file sizes to create smaller Publisher Web pages:
| >> >>
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HA011266301033.aspx
| >> >> This may not affect whether your site loads in FF, but it will
affect
| >> >> both
| >> >> the loading time in IE and the quality of the pictures in FF.
| >> >>
| >> >> Now run the design checker under Tools to see if that spots any
other
| >> >> errors.
| >> >>
| >> >> Now you are ready to test your site files. Do a web page preview in
| >> >> Publisher, which will open the site in IE. Then "Publish to the Web"
| >> >> and
| >> >> direct your files to that folder on your desktop that I talked
about,
| >> >> and
| >> >> open the index.htm file in FF.
| >> >>
| >> >> If you are satisfied with the results, you can then upload new files
| >> >> to
| >> >> your
| >> >> web server. When you Publish to the Web, change where you direct the
| >> >> files
| >> >> back to where it was before you changed it to output to your
computer.
| >> >> Then
| >> >> go to your website and view it in both IE and FF and test all the
| >> >> links
| >> >> in
| >> >> both browsers.
| >> >>
| >> >> Now those are the basic steps to take in order to get your site to
| >> >> view
| >> >> in
| >> >> FF and IE. There are likely to be some other issues that deal with
| >> >> formatting and such. We can deal with them one at a time once you
get
| >> >> the
| >> >> basic site working.
| >> >>
| >> >> One question that comes to my mind is how you have the navigation
bar
| >> >> organized. When I view your page it appears that you have the About
Us
| >> >> and
| >> >> the Contact Us link buttons out of line with the other navbar
buttons.
| >> >> This
| >> >> might create a problem with the navbar functioning correctly. If in
| >> >> testing
| >> >> the site in FF and IE you have problems with those, then please post
| >> >> back
| >> >> as
| >> >> to how you changed your navbar so as to move those link buttons out
of
| >> >> line
| >> >> with the others. Its possible that you may have to rebuild your
| >> >> navbar,
| >> >> but
| >> >> let's not get ahead of ourselves. If your site works in both IE and
| >> >> FF,
| >> >> then
| >> >> chances are it will work with other browsers.
| >> >>
| >> >> Also just one comment about your design. Yes, you can use different
| >> >> backgrounds on your pages using Pub 2003, but I am not sure you
| >> >> should.
| >> >> Personally I think that having a consistent background throughout
the
| >> >> site
| >> >> is much better, as the viewer won't wonder why each page looks so
| >> >> different.
| >> >> Ask yourself what is most important...the content, or the
background.
| >> >> Which
| >> >> do you want the viewer to focus on?
| >> >>
| >> >> Try those things, and let me know when you get the new site
uploaded.
| >> >> If
| >> >> you
| >> >> have other parts of the site that aren't loading correctly, then
post
| >> >> back
| >> >> with the specifics and links to the specific pages, but if you
follow
| >> >> the
| >> >> instructions given, your site should work pretty well in most
| >> >> browsers.
| >> >>
| >> >> DavidF
| >> >>
| >> >>
| >> >>
| >> >>
| >> >>
| >> >>
| >> >> | >> >> > Thank you so much! Any help would be greatly appreciated. My
| >> >> > problem
| >> >> > is
| >> >> > that the website will not display correctly in AOL and Earthlink,
| >> >> > not
| >> >> > sure
| >> >> > about any other browsers only had feed back on these 2. I know
they
| >> >> > use
| >> >> > IE
| >> >> > but AOL incorporates IE into their program or something like that,
| >> >> > don't
| >> >> > know
| >> >> > if Earthlink does the same. Can only assume they do.
| >> >> > This is the first time I have done a website and it has been a
| >> >> > learning
| >> >> > experience all the way. The website is "
www.Customcowhide.net"
| >> >> >
| >> >> > Jody
| >> >> >
| >> >> > "DavidF" wrote:
| >> >> >
| >> >> >> In most cases, you can get Pub 2003 web pages to work in most
| >> >> >> browsers
| >> >> >> with
| >> >> >> most browsers, contrary to what is believed. Or at least I
haven't
| >> >> >> found
| >> >> >> many that couldn't be tweaked to work.
| >> >> >>
| >> >> >> If you would care to post the URL of your website, we would be
| >> >> >> happy
| >> >> >> to
| >> >> >> tell
| >> >> >> you how to fix it. It usually just involves changing a couple
| >> >> >> settings,
| >> >> >> and
| >> >> >> avoiding some common design pitfalls.
| >> >> >>
| >> >> >> DavidF
| >> >> >>
| >> >> >> | >> >> >> > In reading the posts, I saw that MS Publisher 2003 has
| >> >> >> > compatability
| >> >> >> > issues
| >> >> >> > with browsers that aren't IE. Do any of the Microsoft Office
| >> >> >> > Professional
| >> >> >> > Edition 2003 Service Packs rectify this situation? Or are there
| >> >> >> > any
| >> >> >> > patches
| >> >> >> > available now that will allow Publisher 2003 web pages to
display
| >> >> >> > correctly
| >> >> >> > in other browsers?
| >> >> >>
| >> >> >>
| >> >> >>
| >> >>
| >> >>
| >> >>
| >>
| >>
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