ASP.NET verses SHAREPOINT XML

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robert

Hello
I want to create a public website that uses forms to submit to a database and enable users to see not just their results but the database contents too within my site. It seams like sharepoints xml would be easier than the asp.net but can i use sharepoint in that way or is it strickley just for intranet use.???

If i'm understanind this correctly i believe sharepoint to be a team based website that's not for public use (intranet

Your answer could solve many of my asp.net problems as xml was my first choice to create my site's database.
I'm really hoping to make some progress this weekend and hope for some directio
thank you
 
M

MD Websunlimited

XML is not a replacement for a database and most databases today can return XML.

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robert said:
Hello,
I want to create a public website that uses forms to submit to a database and enable users to see not just their results but the
database contents too within my site. It seams like sharepoints xml would be easier than the asp.net but can i use sharepoint in
that way or is it strickley just for intranet use.???
 
J

John Jansen \(MSFT\)

SharePoint uses ASP.NET, so your question is a bit mis-directed. However,
there are public ISPs out there who are hosting Windows SharePoint Services
in an Internet environment so if you don't want to hand-code your ASPX
pages, but would rather use FrontPage and SharePoint, you should be able to
find a host pretty easily.
 
C

Cowboy \(Gregory A. Beamer\)

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robert said:
Hello,
I want to create a public website that uses forms to submit to a database
and enable users to see not just their results but the database contents too
within my site. It seams like sharepoints xml would be easier than the
asp.net but can i use sharepoint in that way or is it strickley just for
intranet use.???

You can use SharePoint for Internet, if that is your desire. It is still a
bit of an infant for me to feel really comfortable with (a personal issue),
but I know of ISPs that offer SharePoint services for Internet sites.
If i'm understanind this correctly i believe sharepoint to be a team based
website that's not for public use (intranet)

It is better for a team based sites in many ways, but it is not a
requirement. There is no Internet only restriction.
Your answer could solve many of my asp.net problems as xml was my first
choice to create my site's database.
I'm really hoping to make some progress this weekend and hope for some direction
thank you

I would not make XML a replacement for a database. Perhaps something small
(I would not do it, but could see it being done that way), but never a truly
interactive OLTP scenario.

--
Gregory A. Beamer
MVP; MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA

**********************************************************************
Think Outside the Box!
 
R

ROBERT

HELLO GREGORY,
THANKS FOR RESPONDING, I'M STILL TRYING TO LEARN WHAT ALL OF THIS IS AND MEANS AND I MIGHT HAVE WROTE MY ORIGINAL MESSAGE INCORRECTILY WHEY I MENTION SUBSTITUTING XML FOR A DATA BASE. I'M STARTING TO GET THE FELLING I SHOULD LEAVE SHAREPOINT ALONE AND TRY MY LUCK WITH ASP.NET AND THE ASPX AND MDB DATABASE
THE FOLLOWING IS A MESSAGE I JUST WROTE TO THE PREVIOUS PERSON WHO RESPONDED TO MY ORIGINAL MESSAGE. I GOT YOUR MESSAGE AFTER RESPONDING TO JOHN. THANKS ROBERT


HELLO, JOHN
WHEN I STARTED CREATING MY WEBSITE I ORIGINALLY WANTED TO DESIGN IT USING SHAREPOINT AND MANIPULATING MY DATABASE CONTENTS BY USING THE DATASOURE CATALOG. BUT MY ISP HAD THE FOLLOWING TO SAY OF WHICH I DONT REALLY UNDERSTAND:
"Hello,
Being a SharePoint 2003 site, you would either need to create the site using the Templates and SharePoint Control Panel available by going to your domain or you will need to upload a SharePoint/FrontPage web site using FrontPage 2003 to your space. You cannot create a index page and FTP it to your site. SharePoint sites are stored in SQL Databases and cannot work with files in the FTP Folder unless your design .NET pages to interact with them. Sharepoint 2003 Sites are generally Intranet type sites used by companies to collabortae and share documents over the internet. You can check out http://www.microsoft.com/sharepoint for more information on this new technology. If you do not require SharePoint 2003, it can easily be removed from your site so you can publish normally using FrontPage 2003 or earlier.
Reinvent Support"

SO, I WOULD HAVE TO DESIGN .NET PAGES TO WORK WITH SHAREPOINT? WHAT'S INVOLED WITH THAT?
WHAT'S WITH THE INDEX PAGE, AND HOW WOULD I UPLOAD TO MY ISP'S FTP?
WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE EASIER, CREATING MY SITE’S PAGES USING THE ASP.NET TO CREATE ASPX PAGES AND MDB DATABASE OR CREATING MY SITE IN SHAREPOINT CREATING XML PAGES FOR A XMLS SQL DATABASE. STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THIS AND HOW IT INTERACTS WITH EACHOTHER. WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR CORRECTIONS AND WISDOM ON THE SUBJECT.
THANKS FOR HELPING ME,
ROBERT


----- Cowboy (Gregory A. Beamer) wrote: -----


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robert said:
Hello,
I want to create a public website that uses forms to submit to a database
and enable users to see not just their results but the database contents too
within my site. It seams like sharepoints xml would be easier than the
asp.net but can i use sharepoint in that way or is it strickley just for
intranet use.???

You can use SharePoint for Internet, if that is your desire. It is still a
bit of an infant for me to feel really comfortable with (a personal issue),
but I know of ISPs that offer SharePoint services for Internet sites.
If i'm understanind this correctly i believe sharepoint to be a team based
website that's not for public use (intranet)

It is better for a team based sites in many ways, but it is not a
requirement. There is no Internet only restriction.
Your answer could solve many of my asp.net problems as xml was my first
choice to create my site's database.
I'm really hoping to make some progress this weekend and hope for some direction
thank you

I would not make XML a replacement for a database. Perhaps something small
(I would not do it, but could see it being done that way), but never a truly
interactive OLTP scenario.

--
Gregory A. Beamer
MVP; MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA

**********************************************************************
Think Outside the Box!
 
S

Stefan B Rusynko

Robert
Stop "screaming" - turn off you caps lock
- most people find all caps use offensive and won't even bother to read / respond to posts w/ them

Your host is correct
With any web based server technology (WSS or the FP SE) you can't just use any ISP host (and definitely can't just FTP the pages)
You need to decide on which technology you want to use and then select a host based on their support of the technology
- then use the correct "tools" for that technology
(w/ WSS you do not FTP anything - you open the site in FP and work on it live under the WSS server)



| HELLO GREGORY,
| THANKS FOR RESPONDING, I'M STILL TRYING TO LEARN WHAT ALL OF THIS IS AND MEANS AND I MIGHT HAVE WROTE MY ORIGINAL MESSAGE
INCORRECTILY WHEY I MENTION SUBSTITUTING XML FOR A DATA BASE. I'M STARTING TO GET THE FELLING I SHOULD LEAVE SHAREPOINT ALONE AND
TRY MY LUCK WITH ASP.NET AND THE ASPX AND MDB DATABASE
| THE FOLLOWING IS A MESSAGE I JUST WROTE TO THE PREVIOUS PERSON WHO RESPONDED TO MY ORIGINAL MESSAGE. I GOT YOUR MESSAGE AFTER
RESPONDING TO JOHN. THANKS ROBERT
|
|
| HELLO, JOHN
| WHEN I STARTED CREATING MY WEBSITE I ORIGINALLY WANTED TO DESIGN IT USING SHAREPOINT AND MANIPULATING MY DATABASE CONTENTS BY
USING THE DATASOURE CATALOG. BUT MY ISP HAD THE FOLLOWING TO SAY OF WHICH I DONT REALLY UNDERSTAND:
| "Hello,
| Being a SharePoint 2003 site, you would either need to create the site using the Templates and SharePoint Control Panel available
by going to your domain or you will need to upload a SharePoint/FrontPage web site using FrontPage 2003 to your space. You cannot
create a index page and FTP it to your site. SharePoint sites are stored in SQL Databases and cannot work with files in the FTP
Folder unless your design .NET pages to interact with them. Sharepoint 2003 Sites are generally Intranet type sites used by
companies to collabortae and share documents over the internet. You can check out http://www.microsoft.com/sharepoint for more
information on this new technology. If you do not require SharePoint 2003, it can easily be removed from your site so you can
publish normally using FrontPage 2003 or earlier.
| Reinvent Support"
|
| SO, I WOULD HAVE TO DESIGN .NET PAGES TO WORK WITH SHAREPOINT? WHAT'S INVOLED WITH THAT?
| WHAT'S WITH THE INDEX PAGE, AND HOW WOULD I UPLOAD TO MY ISP'S FTP?
| WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE EASIER, CREATING MY SITE’S PAGES USING THE ASP.NET TO CREATE ASPX PAGES AND MDB DATABASE OR CREATING
MY SITE IN SHAREPOINT CREATING XML PAGES FOR A XMLS SQL DATABASE. STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THIS AND HOW IT INTERACTS WITH
EACHOTHER. WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR CORRECTIONS AND WISDOM ON THE SUBJECT.
| THANKS FOR HELPING ME,
| ROBERT
|
|
| ----- Cowboy (Gregory A. Beamer) wrote: -----
|
|
| **********************************************************************
| | > Hello,
| > I want to create a public website that uses forms to submit to a database
| and enable users to see not just their results but the database contents too
| within my site. It seams like sharepoints xml would be easier than the
| asp.net but can i use sharepoint in that way or is it strickley just for
| intranet use.???
|
| You can use SharePoint for Internet, if that is your desire. It is still a
| bit of an infant for me to feel really comfortable with (a personal issue),
| but I know of ISPs that offer SharePoint services for Internet sites.
|
| > If i'm understanind this correctly i believe sharepoint to be a team based
| website that's not for public use (intranet)
|
| It is better for a team based sites in many ways, but it is not a
| requirement. There is no Internet only restriction.
|
| > Your answer could solve many of my asp.net problems as xml was my first
| choice to create my site's database.
| > I'm really hoping to make some progress this weekend and hope for some
| direction
| > thank you
|
| I would not make XML a replacement for a database. Perhaps something small
| (I would not do it, but could see it being done that way), but never a truly
| interactive OLTP scenario.
|
| --
| Gregory A. Beamer
| MVP; MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA
|
| **********************************************************************
| Think Outside the Box!
|
|
|
 
J

John Jansen \(MSFT\)

Your ISP is correct. What you should do is just forget about anything
you've designed so far. Open your content area in FrontPage (by clicking on
File > Open Site) and typing in the URL that you have
(http://www.yourSite.com, for example). Then click on New Page and click on
Data..Insert Data View and use the Data Source Catalog to insert dynamic
content. Save your page (you will be prompted to save as ASPX), and you are
done.

As I read your post, I think you are trying to make this more complicated
than it is. Don't worry about FTP (you don't need it and it won't work the
way you expect). If you already have a bunch of content, copy and paste the
source into new pages in your site.
 
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