ASP.NET

[Jack R.]

Opinions and experience with ASP.NET within along with FrontPage along with
sample links to current Web sites using both.

I have a site that I'm attempting to rebuild using photo/data base
presentation/format. The site is www.localmovingsales.com

Currently using PDFs and some inline frames. Some time to certain viewers
this is 'clunky' on their end...want to streamline presentation and with
limited programming experience I was wondering if ASP.NET is a solution or
other solutions, suggestions and ideas.

 

[JIMCO Software]

Currently using PDFs and some inline frames. Some time to certain
viewers this is 'clunky' on their end...want to streamline
presentation and with limited programming experience I was wondering
if ASP.NET is a solution or other solutions, suggestions and ideas.

Your presentation isn't going to be streamlined by using ASP.NET.
Implementation would be.

What specific question regarding ASP.NET do you have?

--
Jim Cheshire
JIMCO Software
http://www.jimcosoftware.com

FrontPage add-ins for FrontPage 2000 - 2003

 

[Kevin Spencer]

Hi Jack,

I have experience in both FrontPage and ASP.Net. The most telling point in
your post was the phrase "limited programming experience." ASP.Net is a huge
learning curve. Once you've come to a good understanding of it, it is
awesome to work with, and a real time-saver in the long run. But it is
fully-compiled, and fully OOP. The Common Language Runtime Library (CLR) of
the .Net Framework is intimidatingly large, and after 4 years of working
with it, I'm only beginning to feel like I'm in familiar territory. The
ASP.Net programming model is complex in structure, but fairly simple to use,
once you understand it, and that's a job to do. If you are serious about
programming, .Net is the best way to go. But if you need something quickly,
and don't have a lot of time to spend studying, try ASP Classic. It's very
simple to program, and could well meet your needs. In addition, FrontPage is
a fine tool for doing ASP in (I used it for years to do ASP). For ASP.Net,
Visual Studio is really the only way to go, although I still use FrontPage
to do the HTML in my ASP.Net apps. Still, there's a heck of a lot less of it
to do, as ASP.Net dynamically generates quite a bit of it.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Neither a follower nor a lender be.

 

[Fred]

Hello Kevin Spencer & JIMCO Software & Group,

I have been using Frontpage to do simple html pages and played a little with
a form to db page. I am currently in an Intro to ASP.NET internet class.

I have a question that I simply have not been able to find an answer for
anywhere else. Please help if you can.

I wish to obtain clarification and explanation of the technologies (ie.
protocols and software additions) for web publishing. Of course ftp is
usually an option; this is usually sending passwords over net in clear text.
But I have not been able to find an explanation of publishing via Frontpage
Extensions, Server Extensions, and now I guess there's another technology
for Visual Studio .NET. If I have a fresh install of Windows Server 2000
(for example), I believe it installs FP2000 Extensions with its IIS
Component. What software downloads and installations are needed to support
..NET? What is the difference if any? Is it secure? How secure? SSL
secure?

Thanks to all,

Fred

PS. Email intended to drawn attention only. Either replying to group or
via email is great; heck any reply is great. Thanks.

 

[Kevin Spencer]

Hi Fred,

PS. Email intended to drawn attention only. Either replying to group or
via email is great; heck any reply is great. Thanks.

Emails sent to me personally certainly do draw my attention - the wrong
kind! I read and participate in these newsgroups daily, and am particularly
aware of the threads that I have been participating in. So, just post here,
thanks.

But I have not been able to find an explanation of publishing via
Frontpage Extensions, Server Extensions, and now I guess there's another
technology for Visual Studio .NET.

I can clear this up for you. "FrontPage Server Extensions" and "Server
Extensions" are the same thing.Well, at least in this context. A "server
extension" is a general term for any application which extends a web
server's functionality. In fact, ASP and ASP.Net could be termed "server
extensions," as they are both ISAPIs (Internet Server Application
Programming Interface) that handle certain types of HTTP requests to the web
server. However, in the context of publishing, the 2 terms you mentioned are
both references to FrontPage server extensions. FrontPage server extensions
are used primarily for publishing, although there are FrontPage server
extensions that are used for form handling, web management, etc. They
provide a web programming interface using an HTTP tranport for administering
a web site.

Visual Studio.Net actually employs FrontPage server extensions for its web
management. It can also work directly with the file system and a LAN web
server. By default it uses FrontPage server extensions.

As for clear text password issues, this relates more to the web server than
to the publishing client. IIS can use Basic (clear text) authentication, or
Windows Integrated Authentication (Kerberos), which is encrypted. In
addition, the server can host SSL (Secure Sockets Layer), a protocol that
encrypts all traffic coming to and from the web server to a client. And
FrontPage Server Extensions can work with SSL also.

You can find out anything you want about FrontPage server extensions by
downloading the FrontPage Server Extensions Resource Kit (SERK) at the
following URL:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...f5-51af-4d17-b1cd-a4be003d6920&displaylang=en

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Neither a follower nor a lender be.

 

[JIMCO Software]

I wish to obtain clarification and explanation of the technologies
(ie. protocols and software additions) for web publishing. Of course
ftp is usually an option; this is usually sending passwords over net
in clear text. But I have not been able to find an explanation of
publishing via Frontpage Extensions, Server Extensions, and now I
guess there's another technology for Visual Studio .NET. If I have a
fresh install of Windows Server 2000 (for example), I believe it
installs FP2000 Extensions with its IIS Component. What software
downloads and installations are needed to support .NET? What is the
difference if any? Is it secure? How secure? SSL secure?

VS.NET 2003 can publish to a file share if you can access one. Otherwise,
it uses FPSE.

VS.NET 2005 (not yet released) can do the same, but it can also use FTP. In
fact, FPSE are not at all necessary with VS.NET 2005.

--
Jim Cheshire
JIMCO Software
http://www.jimcosoftware.com

FrontPage add-ins for FrontPage 2000 - 2003

 

[JIMCO Software]

Hi Fred,
In fact, ASP and ASP.Net could
be termed "server extensions," as they are both ISAPIs (Internet
Server Application Programming Interface) that handle certain types
of HTTP requests to the web server.

While ASP.NET certainly includes an ISAPI DLL, that is only a small (very
small) part of ASP.NET. The vast majority of ASP.NET lives outside of
ISAPI.

--
Jim Cheshire
JIMCO Software
http://www.jimcosoftware.com

FrontPage add-ins for FrontPage 2000 - 2003

 

[Kevin Spencer]

While ASP.NET certainly includes an ISAPI DLL, that is only a small (very

small) part of ASP.NET. The vast majority of ASP.NET lives outside of
ISAPI.

True, my statement was an oversimplification.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Neither a follower nor a lender be.