Better Use of space for a SmartArt Hierachy Chart

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Sean

I have a Horizonatl Labled Hierachy Chart
That goes from left to right
1 Company
1 Brand
1 Region
11 areas
23 Sites
39 Locations

I have set the paper size A3 Portrait
The chart is set to the full size of the paper

However the chart is dead in the middle, with loads of space either side and
loads of space under the headers before the top box.

However I want the chart to make full use of the page avaiable
Can anyone help
 
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CyberTaz

I'm not 100% clear on what you want to achieve... Changing the actual size
of the diagram, its position, or a combination of both. There are a number
of variants relevant to each possibility, so it's rather difficult to know
how to respond. If you can clarify a bit it would be most helpful.

Make sure you have the non-printing characters (¶) displayed so you can
better tell what might be responsible for the space issue.

What type of Text Wrapping is applied to the diagram?

Have you checked in the Header to see if there are any "empty" paragraphs
beneath or above the Header text (I'm assuming there is Header content). The
¶s will appear if there are. Also check the paragraph formatting of the
Header to see if there is any Space Above/Below applied.

What is preventing you from resizing or repositioning the diagram? What
happens if you try?

Does the page have any other content? If so, what is it?

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
 
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Sean

the page has no other content. orther than this Horizontal Labled Hieracy
Chart from smartart filled in using the attached wizard.

I want to make full use of the page but it is cramed in the centre

The text wrapping is fine for each box, but if you make the text larger it
no longer fits

I don't know how best to describe it. is there any way to send a copy so you
can see it?

Sean...
 
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CyberTaz

No objection, but even seeing it won't do much good if I don't have any idea
what you want to be *different* about it :) If you do send it to me make
sure to describe as best you can what that is.

Use the following address: cybertaz[at]comcast[dot]net & make sure to enter
the Subject of the email as SA-E0311

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
 
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CyberTaz

I received the copy but I'm afraid it's just as I suspected...

SmartArt Graphics are designed to maintain their aspect ratio, so the number
of shapes & their distribution among levels proportionately dictates the
dimensions of the overall graphic. The large number of shapes in levels 4 &
5 causes extreme height relative to the few columns so that's how the
graphic has been sized. The only way to fill more of the page width would
cause horizontal distortion.

The reason you've been unable to have th graphic fill more of the page
overall is that it's Text Wrapping is set to In Line with Text. That
effectively makes it the sole character in the sole paragraph on the page,
and you can't move the paragraph beyond the top margin.

By changing the Text Wrapping for the SmartArt object to something such as
In Front of Text you'll be able to drag the object to anywhere you wish.
Make sure you select the shape by clicking on the outer frame rather than
changing the property of any given shape within the object. You'll then be
able to stretch it but I don't think it will add any appreciable width. The
style of the diagram just doesn't appear to lend itself very well to the
volume/distribution of content you need to include.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



No objection, but even seeing it won't do much good if I don't have any idea
what you want to be *different* about it :) If you do send it to me make
sure to describe as best you can what that is.

Use the following address: cybertaz[at]comcast[dot]net & make sure to enter
the Subject of the email as SA-E0311

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



the page has no other content. orther than this Horizontal Labled Hieracy
Chart from smartart filled in using the attached wizard.

I want to make full use of the page but it is cramed in the centre

The text wrapping is fine for each box, but if you make the text larger it
no longer fits

I don't know how best to describe it. is there any way to send a copy so you
can see it?

Sean...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
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Suzanne S. Barnhill

Does this SmartArt chart have a control, similar to the Organization Chart
in earlier versions, to turn off Auto Layout? That control allows you to
size text boxes independently.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

CyberTaz said:
I received the copy but I'm afraid it's just as I suspected...

SmartArt Graphics are designed to maintain their aspect ratio, so the
number
of shapes & their distribution among levels proportionately dictates the
dimensions of the overall graphic. The large number of shapes in levels 4
&
5 causes extreme height relative to the few columns so that's how the
graphic has been sized. The only way to fill more of the page width would
cause horizontal distortion.

The reason you've been unable to have th graphic fill more of the page
overall is that it's Text Wrapping is set to In Line with Text. That
effectively makes it the sole character in the sole paragraph on the page,
and you can't move the paragraph beyond the top margin.

By changing the Text Wrapping for the SmartArt object to something such as
In Front of Text you'll be able to drag the object to anywhere you wish.
Make sure you select the shape by clicking on the outer frame rather than
changing the property of any given shape within the object. You'll then be
able to stretch it but I don't think it will add any appreciable width.
The
style of the diagram just doesn't appear to lend itself very well to the
volume/distribution of content you need to include.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



No objection, but even seeing it won't do much good if I don't have any
idea
what you want to be *different* about it :) If you do send it to me make
sure to describe as best you can what that is.

Use the following address: cybertaz[at]comcast[dot]net & make sure to
enter
the Subject of the email as SA-E0311

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



the page has no other content. orther than this Horizontal Labled
Hieracy
Chart from smartart filled in using the attached wizard.

I want to make full use of the page but it is cramed in the centre

The text wrapping is fine for each box, but if you make the text larger
it
no longer fits

I don't know how best to describe it. is there any way to send a copy so
you
can see it?

Sean...

:

I'm not 100% clear on what you want to achieve... Changing the actual
size
of the diagram, its position, or a combination of both. There are a
number
of variants relevant to each possibility, so it's rather difficult to
know
how to respond. If you can clarify a bit it would be most helpful.

Make sure you have the non-printing characters (¶) displayed so you can
better tell what might be responsible for the space issue.

What type of Text Wrapping is applied to the diagram?

Have you checked in the Header to see if there are any "empty"
paragraphs
beneath or above the Header text (I'm assuming there is Header
content). The
¶s will appear if there are. Also check the paragraph formatting of the
Header to see if there is any Space Above/Below applied.

What is preventing you from resizing or repositioning the diagram? What
happens if you try?

Does the page have any other content? If so, what is it?

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 6/11/09 12:34 PM, in article
[email protected], "Sean"

I have a Horizonatl Labled Hierachy Chart
That goes from left to right
1 Company
1 Brand
1 Region
11 areas
23 Sites
39 Locations

I have set the paper size A3 Portrait
The chart is set to the full size of the paper

However the chart is dead in the middle, with loads of space either
side
and
loads of space under the headers before the top box.

However I want the chart to make full use of the page avaiable
Can anyone help
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
C

CyberTaz

Hi Suzanne;

There is no control for the purpose, but it isn't needed. The individual
shapes can be resized & repositioned ‹ you just don't have any control over
the connectors. They adjust automatically when you move the shapes.

The problem here, though, is more one of distribution than sizing. There are
a lot of shapes vertically with relatively few horizontally, so the
resulting SAG is tall & skinny. You can manually spread out the shapes but
the Align/Distribute features are inactive within the diagram. What he seems
to be looking for could possibly be done but it would take at least an
hour's worth of painstaking manipulation ‹ with lots of room for error.

If you'd like a copy to see what I mean I'm sure Sean would have no
objection. Perhaps you can come up with another approach, but I've tried
everything I can find in 2007. I've also tried in Mac's 2008 which handles
the same SAGs with somewhat different tools. That's certainly not to say I
haven't missed something ‹ SAGs continue to be a learning experience :)

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
 
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Suzanne S. Barnhill

I did try it a little after posting. I have zero experience with SmartArt
(because I have minimal experience with Word 2007) and am not keen to get
into it!

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org
 
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