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plhyn

Anyone hear anything recent regarding Endnote X1 and Word 2008? In middle of writing my dissertation and starting to get really frustrated! :chagrin:
 
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Corentin Cras-Méneur

CyberTaz said:
The most accurate up-to-date info will be available here:


There is virtually nothing there about EndNote support for Office 2008.
I believe that they made an annoucement that they will bring EndNote
support in EndNote X1 as a free update.

At this point, I don't miss it so much. I never use Cite as you write so
I can just copy my references from EndNote to paste them in Word.
When I need to format, I save as RTF and format from within EndNote.
Much much much faster…

Corentin
 
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Daiya Mitchell

According to that page, there is supposed to be a June release of a free
update to Endnote X1 that will enable Word 2008 compatibility.
 
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Andreas Fischlin

I wish to report on most serious problems I have encountered using Office 2004 and EndNote X1. Since it is clear for the time-being that EndNote does ONLY work with Office 2004, that is the route I tried to go. Using rtf files works smoothly going back and forth between Office 2004 and 2008 (at least so far). However, using EndNote X1 with Office 2004 under Leopard (OS X 10.5.x) is a disaster.

First I encounter regularly complete freezes of Word while typing simple diacritical characters (Umlaut, Option-u-u for instance to get a German ü). I have uninstalled and reinstalled the entire Office 2004, trashed carefully all preferences, made all upgradeds service packs in painstakingly exactly the correct sequence etc. etc. All to no avail. The problem persists and creeps in as soon as I try to do serious work (now with several papers I am writing).

Secondly, if I try to unformat properly entered and once EndNote formatted citations using EndNote X1's menu command ("Tools -> EndNote X1 -> Unformat Citation(s)") the field codes get corrupted and I loose all work. Similarly attempts to reformat the bibliography result in corruption of already once properly formatted in-text citations. The result is to go back to older versions (hopefully not formatted) and to reenter the citations and cross my fingers that at some stage the entire formatting of the bibliography will work. I know this might be an EndNote X1 problem and I will report it to EndNote.

This is all in all an extremely frustrating situation and my conclusion is that Word from Office 2004 and EndNote X1 under Leopard are basically no longer usable (at least on an Intel Mac). The frustrating thing is it is most difficult to find the culprit, since it seems to be the combination of OS, Office, and EndNote. It could also be a Word problem under Leopard, since EndNote X1 used to work fine under Tiger using Word Office 2004. But it could also be a problem with Office 2004, since I have updated with recommended service packs and my Office 2004 under Leopard is no longer the same as under Tiger. Only EndNote X1 is the same, yet needed to be reinstalled if I reinstall Office 2004. So none of the involved software components could be left really exactly the same as before.

Of course I am not sure whether my diagnosis is completely correct, since proving such a diganosis is extremely time consuming, and I simply don't have that. I should be able to work. But I have already made great and careful efforts while attempting to rescue papers (submittable under a tight dead-line) and wasted days to rescue as much as possible. My experience is rather big in the mean-time, yet still far from a proof.

BTW, I am an experienced (sophisticated) user, have taught computer science (university level), programmed for decades Macs and other computers and know very well what I am doing.

Therefore I guess nobody can offer a remedy, or can you? I would be most pleased to hear from you. Anyone interested in the files showing the nasty behavior, simply send me an E-mail and I can provide entire packages.

Andreas Fischlin :angry:
 
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John McGhie

Hi Andreas:

This sounds like you have a message for Microsoft. I suggest that you use
Word> Help>Send Feedback and copy your post in there. That way, a Microsoft
employee will read it. They will not read it in here: Microsoft does not
read this forum.

Cheers


I wish to report on most serious problems I have encountered using Office 2004
and EndNote X1. Since it is clear for the time-being that EndNote does ONLY
work with Office 2004, that is the route I tried to go. Using rtf files works
smoothly going back and forth between Office 2004 and 2008 (at least so far).
However, using EndNote X1 with Office 2004 under Leopard (OS X 10.5.x) is a
disaster.

First I encounter regularly complete freezes of Word while typing simple
diacritical characters (Umlaut, Option-u-u for instance to get a German ü). I
have uninstalled and reinstalled the entire Office 2004, trashed carefully all
preferences, made all upgradeds service packs in painstakingly exactly the
correct sequence etc. etc. All to no avail. The problem persists and creeps in
as soon as I try to do serious work (now with several papers I am writing).

Secondly, if I try to unformat properly entered and once EndNote formatted
citations using EndNote X1's menu command ("Tools -> EndNote X1 -> Unformat
Citation(s)") the field codes get corrupted and I loose all work. Similarly
attempts to reformat the bibliography result in corruption of already once
properly formatted in-text citations. The result is to go back to older
versions (hopefully not formatted) and to reenter the citations and cross my
fingers that at some stage the entire formatting of the bibliography will
work. I know this might be an EndNote X1 problem and I will report it to
EndNote.

This is all in all an extremely frustrating situation and my conclusion is
that Word from Office 2004 and EndNote X1 under Leopard are basically no
longer usable (at least on an Intel Mac). The frustrating thing is it is most
difficult to find the culprit, since it seems to be the combination of OS,
Office, and EndNote. It could also be a Word problem under Leopard, since
EndNote X1 used to work fine under Tiger using Word Office 2004. But it could
also be a problem with Office 2004, since I have updated with recommended
service packs and my Office 2004 under Leopard is no longer the same as under
Tiger. Only EndNote X1 is the same, yet needed to be reinstalled if I
reinstall Office 2004. So none of the involved software components could be
left really exactly the same as before.

Of course I am not sure whether my diagnosis is completely correct, since
proving such a diganosis is extremely time consuming, and I simply don't have
that. I should be able to work. But I have already made great and careful
efforts while attempting to rescue papers (submittable under a tight
dead-line) and wasted days to rescue as much as possible. My experience is
rather big in the mean-time, yet still far from a proof.

BTW, I am an experienced (sophisticated) user, have taught computer science
(university level), programmed for decades Macs and other computers and know
very well what I am doing.

Therefore I guess nobody can offer a remedy, or can you? I would be most
pleased to hear from you. Anyone interested in the files showing the nasty
behavior, simply send me an E-mail and I can provide entire packages.

Andreas Fischlin :angry:

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Please reply in the group. Please do NOT email me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP, Word and Word:Mac
Nhulunbuy, NT, Australia. mailto:[email protected]
 
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Corentin Cras-Méneur

Hi Andreas,
I wish to report on most serious problems I have encountered using
Office 2004 and EndNote X1. Since it is clear for the time-being that
EndNote does ONLY work with Office 2004,

It also works with X and the EndNotes folks are actively working on
integrating it in Word 2008.
that is the route I tried to
go. Using rtf files works smoothly going back and forth between Office
2004 and 2008 (at least so far). However, using EndNote X1 with Office
2004 under Leopard (OS X 10.5.x) is a disaster.


You can also export as RTF in 2008 and perform all formatting directly
in EndNote (that's what I do)
First I encounter regularly complete freezes of Word while typing simple
diacritical characters (Umlaut, Option-u-u for instance to get a German
ü). I have uninstalled and reinstalled the entire Office 2004, trashed
carefully all preferences, made all upgradeds service packs in
painstakingly exactly the correct sequence etc. etc. All to no avail.
The problem persists and creeps in as soon as I try to do serious work
(now with several papers I am writing).

That's sounds unusual to me. I use this character and many other of the
same kind in French and I never experienced that. Do you get the same
problem from another user account on the same Mac ?? Are you fully up to
date??

Secondly, if I try to unformat properly entered and once EndNote
formatted citations using EndNote X1's menu command ("Tools -> EndNote
X1 -> Unformat Citation(s)") the field codes get corrupted and I loose
all work.

Same thing, I never had that. I wonder wehther Office could be corrupted
on your Mac (or it could be the System, permissions.. .You should boot
on your MacOS X DVD to check the hard drive with DiskUtility from the
Utility menu in the installer).
Similarly attempts to reformat the bibliography result in
corruption of already once properly formatted in-text citations. The
result is to go back to older versions (hopefully not formatted) and to
reenter the citations and cross my fingers that at some stage the entire
formatting of the bibliography will work. I know this might be an
EndNote X1 problem and I will report it to EndNote.


Do you get the same problem if you scan the Manuscript (in RTF) from
within EndNote??

[...]
Of course I am not sure whether my diagnosis is completely correct,
since proving such a diganosis is extremely time consuming, and I simply
don't have that. I should be able to work. But I have already made great
and careful efforts while attempting to rescue papers (submittable under
a tight dead-line) and wasted days to rescue as much as possible. My
experience is rather big in the mean-time, yet still far from a proof.


COnsidering the problems you also have with extended ASCII characters, I
would suspect that something is not quite right with your Office
installation. It could be many things though and I know how tedious it
can be to track it down.
BTW, I am an experienced (sophisticated) user, have taught computer
science (university level), programmed for decades Macs and other
computers and know very well what I am doing.

Therefore I guess nobody can offer a remedy, or can you? I would be most
pleased to hear from you. Anyone interested in the files showing the
nasty behavior, simply send me an E-mail and I can provide entire
packages.

It could also be that the file you are using is corrupted. Your Normal
template could be corrupted too (and transmitting the problem to all new
document).

Try moving the Normal template aside to have Word create a new one upon
launch and create a new document. Insert references, extended ASCII,
format, unformat... Do you still have the same problem??

Corentin
 

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