Murray:
Thanks for clarifying.
I build at 740-750, myself.
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===
Tom "Pepper" Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
About FrontPage 2003:
http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
FrontPage 2003 Product Information:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
Understanding FrontPage:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/
===
| I don't challenge your post at all, Tom. In fact I think it should be
hung
| on the monitor of every user.
|
| The point I was making with Ron's post is that screen resolution only
tells
| you what the maximum width/height of a browser viewport could be - it does
| not tell you what the dimensions are of the specified individual. You
| cannot determine that until it's too late to do something about it, doncha
| know.
|
| My philosophy is this -
|
| Unless I have a compelling reason NOT to do so (and I haven't yet), my
sites
| are built at 760px width. That's my number and I go with it. I don't
worry
| about the ramifications, because I think it's a reasonable number. It
| happens to be the available horizontal space when you have a maximized
| browser viewport on an 800x600 screen, and I understand that by choosing
| that number I may be asking some visitors with 800x600 screens to scroll
| horizontally. Oh, well. That's life. It's also reflective of the people
| for whom I build sites. Your mileage may vary.... 8)
|
| --
| Murray
|
| | >I see. Therefore, the "etched in stone" reply you made is also
| >meaningless,
| > since Ron gave a statistic of 50%. So, why is it "etched in stone"?
| >
| > I would like to see both of you cite, since you challenge.
| >
| > Where do you get your statistics, Murray? ;-)
| > --
| > ===
| > Tom "Pepper" Willett
| > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > ---
| > About FrontPage 2003:
| >
http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
| > FrontPage 2003 Product Information:
| >
http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
| > Understanding FrontPage:
| >
http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/
| > ===
| > | > | Of course it's a meaningless statistic....
| > |
| > | --
| > | Murray
| > |
| > | | > | > According to the latest stats at
www.echoecho.com
| > | >
| > | > 48% use 1024 x 768
| > | > 39% use 800 x 600
| > | >
| > | > That's a drastic change from the past. I would suggest it's because
| > out
| > | > of
| > | > the box computers are now set at the higher screen resolutions.
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > ===
| > | > Tom "Pepper" Willett
| > | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > | > ---
| > | > About FrontPage 2003:
| > | >
http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
| > | > FrontPage 2003 Product Information:
| > | >
http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
| > | > Understanding FrontPage:
| > | >
http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/
| > | > ===
| > | > | > | > | Regard this post as etched in stone. It's good advice through and
| > | > | through....
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > | Murray
| > | > |
| > | > | | > | > | > The following are personal opinions, others may not agree and
they
| > | > won't
| > | > | > be wrong.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Also bear in mind that my web sites are personal, not business,
| > and
| > | > are
| > | > | > built to look good in the latest browsers, and be functional in
| > older
| > | > | > models.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Design for 800x600 browser - nearly half the PC users use a
screen
| > | > | > resolution of 800x600, and many others use their browsers in
| > windows,
| > | > | > smaller than full screen. In FP2003 set up the design window at
| > | > 760x425.
| > | > | > Fit the width of the page into that and it will suit 99% of
users
| > and
| > | > | > browsers.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Set the Authoring settings (Tools->Page Options - Authoring
tab):
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Browsers: set to Custom
| > | > | > Schema Version: Internet Explorer 5.0
| > | > | > Tick all the boxes except: VML graphics, ActiveX controls, PNG
| > | > graphics,
| > | > | > Java applets. Java may not be available on Windows XP or in
IE6,
| > PNG
| > | > | > images will not be visible in some browsers, and ActiveX is IE
| > only
| > | > and
| > | > | > often blocked.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Generator and ProgID tags is your choice, makes no difference to
| > the
| > | > page.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Using Layers: Used properly, layers are fine and are compatible
| > with
| > | > all
| > | > | > browsers (except Opera 4, but who uses Opera 4?). If you use
| > layers,
| > | > do
| > | > | > not set the height. Do not place a layer inside a table cell,
and
| > | > watch
| > | > | > for trouble if you nest them (avoid nesting). Also beware of
| > users
| > | > who
| > | > | > change font sizes - this is a cause of problems with layers if
you
| > are
| > | > not
| > | > | > prepared for it.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Using tables for layout is nearly always safe. The layout on
your
| > | > page
| > | > | > can be built using tables.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > | > | > Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > message
| > | > | > | > | > | >>I can't say that the news is good but your help is most
| > appreciated.
| > I
| > | > | >> understand what you are telling me but quite honestly, I'm
almost
| > | > afraid
| > | > | >> to
| > | > | >> try again! How do you think I should set my authoring
| > properties/page
| > | > | >> size?
| > | > | >> Should I stay away from layers?
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> "Ronx" wrote:
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>> I would start again, using tables to position elements, and
lose
| > the
| > | > | >>> Word
| > | > | >>> Art and Text Boxes.
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>> For a web page, you need a completely different mind set to
| > | > designing
| > | > a
| > | > | >>> printed page. A web page has no dimensions - it's as wide as
| > the
| > | > | >>> browser
| > | > | >>> (and sometimes wider), and as long as needed to get to the
end.
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>> Also, see my other post.
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>> --
| > | > | >>> Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > | > | >>> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>>
in
| > | > message
| > | > | >>> | > | > | >>> >I did use absolute positioning and most of the content is
| > placed
| > in
| > | > | >>> >layers.
| > | > | >>> > With lots of experience in page layout software and none in
| > web
| > | > | >>> > development,
| > | > | >>> > I apparantly created the site with the wrong frame of mind.
I
| > | > reviewed
| > | > | >>> > some
| > | > | >>> > of the on-line training that I took initially and still fail
| > to
| > | > see
| > | > | >>> > where
| > | > | >>> > this obviously important step is clearly noted. So while I
am
| > busy
| > | > | >>> > kicking
| > | > | >>> > myself, could you tell me what you would do at this point?
| > | > | >>> > "Ronx" wrote:
| > | > | >>> >
| > | > | >>> >> Changing settings in FrontPage now is like shutting the
| > | > proverbial
| > | > | >>> >> stable
| > | > | >>> >> door.... The settings in FP prevent components being used,
| > they
| > | > do
| > | > | >>> >> not
| > | > | >>> >> change anything that has already been done.
| > | > | >>> >>
| > | > | >>> >> From your very brief description of the problems I _guess_
| > that
| > | > you
| > | > | >>> >> have
| > | > | >>> >> used absolute positioning. Used carefully AP will not
cause
| > a
| > | > | >>> >> problem in
| > | > | >>> >> modern browsers (including NN4). Used carelessly, the
| > | > overlapping
| > | > | >>> >> text
| > | > | >>> >> and
| > | > | >>> >> graphics layers will be prevalent if the browser window is
| > not
| > at
| > | > the
| > | > | >>> >> design
| > | > | >>> >> size.
| > | > | >>> >>
| > | > | >>> >> A URL will enable a better answer.
| > | > | >>> >>
| > | > | >>> >> --
| > | > | >>> >> Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| > | > | >>> >> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
| > | > | >>> >>
| > | > | >>> >>
| > | > | >>> >> "Surfin Local" <Surfin (e-mail address removed)>
wrote
| > in
| > | > | >>> >> message
| > | > | >>> >> | > | > | >>> >> >I created a website in FP 2003 without understanding that
I
| > | > needed
| > | > | >>> >> >to
| > | > | >>> >> >choose
| > | > | >>> >> > the correct authoring properties for consistent viewing
in
| > | > | >>> >> > different
| > | > | >>> >> > browsers. After publishing the site, I asked several
people
| > to
| > | > | >>> >> > visit
| > | > | >>> >> > and
| > | > | >>> >> > provide input. One person viewed the site in IE 5.0 (IE
| > version
| > | > 6
| > | > | >>> >> > is on
| > | > | >>> >> > the
| > | > | >>> >> > local drive) and noted several problems with the layering
| > of
| > | > text
| > | > | >>> >> > and
| > | > | >>> >> > graphics. The site was also viewed in Netscape 4.7 where
it
| > was
| > | > | >>> >> > completely
| > | > | >>> >> > unusable. Can I simply change those settings or do I have
a
| > | > major
| > | > | >>> >> > problem?
| > | > | >>> >> > If
| > | > | >>> >> > I can just change the settings, can I use the remote site
| > or
| > do
| > | > I
| > | > | >>> >> > need
| > | > | >>> >> > to
| > | > | >>> >> > make the change on the local and re-publish? Thanks.
| > | > | >>> >>
| > | > | >>> >>
| > | > | >>> >>
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >
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