Bolding the middle lines to make a "Sudoku table"

R

Richard

Hi,

I just created a table of 9x9 uniform cells that fill my displayed
page. I globally set the alignment to "center", both horizontally and
vertically, along with a font size of "24".

So far, so good. But when I tried to use Format/Borders to set two of
the interior borders to a larger width, I always wound up killing
other borders. Can I achieve this in Word/Tables or do I have to go
to HTML?

TIA,
Richard
 
D

davy

I 'think' the problem is because of the line spacing required when using
fonts as you alter the size you are effectively altering the line
spacing - could be wrong mind.

Maybe a CAD programme is a better option... have a peep here might
help.
'Drawing And Cad Freeware' (http://tinyurl.com/2kysna)

Davy
 
B

Beth Melton

You should be able to accomplish what you want using a Word table. It may be
easier for you to draw the borders. Right-click a toolbar, turn on the
Tables and Borders toolbar, select your line thickness, then click the
Pencil (draw table) and draw the thicker borders where you want them.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/books/9801.aspx#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
 
R

Richard

Office 2003

Which program/version did you use to make your puzzle?

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher

How to ask a questionhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
 
R

Richard

Beth, you're GOOD!

That worked better than I expected. I had the table sized to fit the
screen. I thought the heavier lines I had would stay fixed with
respect to the left/top margins. To my pleasant surprise, they moved
along with the lines I overlaid when I resized the page.

Many thanks,
Richard
 
J

JoAnn Paules

I see that Beth was able to help you and that's great. I'd like to help you
with one little thing for future questions - Office Is not a program. It's a
collection of programs. Word, Excel, etc are programs and by specifying that
as well as the version (2003, 2007, etc), you'll be helping those who want
to help.

Now go make some killer Sudoku puzzles. And if you publish them, let me
know. I always carry a book with me. But no easy ones allowed.

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher

How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
 
B

Beth Melton

Not trying to knock you JoAnn, but the OP did tell us what program he was
using, or wanted to use, in his original question and it's cited below your
reply.

He provided the program initially and then later provided the version per
your request.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Co-author of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/books/9801.aspx#AboutTheBook

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/
 
R

Richard

Hi JoAnn,

Thanks for your response.

Re: Office Suite vs. Word Program, I agree about the distinction,
but I've never seen an Office suite that didn't include Word. Some
excluced Publisher and FrontPage, but AFIK, all included word.
Nevertheless, I'll say Word in the future :)

Re: Sudoku, I don't plan to be a publisher. My interest in those
occasional "hard" ones in the Washington Post defy solution without
trial and error, despite my clever techniques. So I decided to
program a solver that employs my techniques to make sure my failures
were not simply my misapplication. For that small group, I've got to
invent an additional technique.

This won't bring about World Peace nor abolish Famine and Disease,
but it'll make me happy.

Best wishes,
Richard
 
J

JoAnn Paules

I saw he mentioned Word but I didn't think he specifically said he was using
it. I read it as "I'm using Office and can't do this...can it be done in
Word?" Either way, it's good that he got it resolved and I'm sorely
disappointed that he's not going to publish a book of fiendishly difficult
puzzles. ;-)

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher

How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
 
J

JoAnn Paules

That goes on all of my posts. It's my usual sig file. You'd be surprised how
many people post things that basically say "It's broke - fix it!" It was not
done specifically for you - honest.

--

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher

How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
 
R

Richard

Hi JoAnn,
That goes on all of my posts. It's my usual sig file.

I didn't realize that. I figured, if you took the time to post it,
courtesy required me to respond.
You'd be surprised how many people post things that basically say "It's broke - fix it!"
I've seen it often enough. Newsgroups are an alien world to
newcomers. They don't have a clue about our language and customs.

My adult daughter, who knows little more technology than typing a
letter in Word and responding to friends' emails, asks regularly
what's new with me. I tell her, in more detail than she really can
absorb, how netizens once again pulled my bacon out of the fire. I
relate repeatedly how one needs to develop specific communication
skills to realize the great benefit of the internet. She listens
because she loves her father, but you'll never see her on newsgroups.
It was not done specifically for you - honest.

No problem, really. I recognized the validity of your admonition.
My brevity arose from my belief that if Word offered the facility I
sought, it would be true of all versions Word/Windows.
Nevertheless, it was reasonable for you to offer me such advice in
case I was in need of it.

About, Sudoku: I'm going to try to use Prolog (http://www.swi-
prolog.org/) initially to generate all solutions, if any, to a
variety of published puzzles ... after I, hopefully, had solved them
manually. I just wanted Word for simple but pretty data entry, and
I've got that now.

Again, best wishes,
Richard
 
J

JoAnn Paules

I can see you using Excel for this. Formulas could be built in to disallow a
repeated number. I don't know how one makes a puzzle hard vs easy tho. I
just know that if there's no challenge in them, I don't enjoy it.

(And I've also had netizens pull my bacon out of the fire. And I've had MVPs
help me with issues that I just couldn't figure out on my own. Excel is my
latest struggle. I'm a formula noobie.)

--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

~~~~~
How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375
 
R

Richard

Hi JoAnn,

I wrote a reply to this message yesterday, but it isn't listed on the
thread today. Did I inadvertently email it rather than post it? I'll
post another reply if it just got eaten by the Web monster :)

Regards,
Richard

I can see you using Excel for this. Formulas could be built in to disallow a
repeated number. I don't know how one makes a puzzle hard vs easy tho. I
just know that if there's no challenge in them, I don't enjoy it.

(And I've also had netizens pull my bacon out of the fire. And I've had MVPs
help me with issues that I just couldn't figure out on my own. Excel is my
latest struggle. I'm a formula noobie.)

--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

~~~~~
How to ask a questionhttp://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


Hi JoAnn,
I didn't realize that. I figured, if you took the time to post it,
courtesy required me to respond.
I've seen it often enough. Newsgroups are an alien world to
newcomers. They don't have a clue about our language and customs.
My adult daughter, who knows little more technology than typing a
letter in Word and responding to friends' emails, asks regularly
what's new with me. I tell her, in more detail than she really can
absorb, how netizens once again pulled my bacon out of the fire. I
relate repeatedly how one needs to develop specific communication
skills to realize the great benefit of the internet. She listens
because she loves her father, but you'll never see her on newsgroups.
No problem, really. I recognized the validity of your admonition.
My brevity arose from my belief that if Word offered the facility I
sought, it would be true of all versions Word/Windows.
Nevertheless, it was reasonable for you to offer me such advice in
case I was in need of it.
About, Sudoku: I'm going to try to use Prolog (http://www.swi-
prolog.org/) initially to generate all solutions, if any, to a
variety of published puzzles ... after I, hopefully, had solved them
manually. I just wanted Word for simple but pretty data entry, and
I've got that now.
Again, best wishes,
Richard
 
J

JoAnn Paules

I didn't see it as of last night. And I was thinking about you the other
day. I stopped at Target and was looking at the Sudoku books available.
<sigh> There were all easy books - I want a challenge! ;-)

--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

~~~~~
How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


Richard said:
Hi JoAnn,

I wrote a reply to this message yesterday, but it isn't listed on the
thread today. Did I inadvertently email it rather than post it? I'll
post another reply if it just got eaten by the Web monster :)

Regards,
Richard

I can see you using Excel for this. Formulas could be built in to
disallow a
repeated number. I don't know how one makes a puzzle hard vs easy tho. I
just know that if there's no challenge in them, I don't enjoy it.

(And I've also had netizens pull my bacon out of the fire. And I've had
MVPs
help me with issues that I just couldn't figure out on my own. Excel is
my
latest struggle. I'm a formula noobie.)

--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

~~~~~
How to ask a questionhttp://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


Hi JoAnn,
That goes on all of my posts. It's my usual sig file.
I didn't realize that. I figured, if you took the time to post it,
courtesy required me to respond.
You'd be surprised how many people post things that basically say
"It's
broke - fix it!"
I've seen it often enough. Newsgroups are an alien world to
newcomers. They don't have a clue about our language and customs.
My adult daughter, who knows little more technology than typing a
letter in Word and responding to friends' emails, asks regularly
what's new with me. I tell her, in more detail than she really can
absorb, how netizens once again pulled my bacon out of the fire. I
relate repeatedly how one needs to develop specific communication
skills to realize the great benefit of the internet. She listens
because she loves her father, but you'll never see her on newsgroups.
It was not done specifically for you - honest.
No problem, really. I recognized the validity of your admonition.
My brevity arose from my belief that if Word offered the facility I
sought, it would be true of all versions Word/Windows.
Nevertheless, it was reasonable for you to offer me such advice in
case I was in need of it.
About, Sudoku: I'm going to try to use Prolog (http://www.swi-
prolog.org/) initially to generate all solutions, if any, to a
variety of published puzzles ... after I, hopefully, had solved them
manually. I just wanted Word for simple but pretty data entry, and
I've got that now.
Again, best wishes,
Richard
That goes on all of my posts. It's my usual sig file. You'd be
surprised
how
many people post things that basically say "It's broke - fix it!" It
was
not
done specifically for you - honest.

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher
How to ask a questionhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
message

Hi JoAnn,
OK, I'll be compliant hereafter. :-(
Best wishes,
Richard
:)

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher
How to ask a questionhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
message

Hi JoAnn,
Thanks for your response.
Re: Office Suite vs. Word Program, I agree about the
distinction,
but I've never seen an Office suite that didn't include Word.
Some
excluced Publisher and FrontPage, but AFIK, all included word.
Nevertheless, I'll say Word in the future :)
Re: Sudoku, I don't plan to be a publisher. My interest in
those
occasional "hard" ones in the Washington Post defy solution
without
trial and error, despite my clever techniques. So I decided to
program a solver that employs my techniques to make sure my
failures
were not simply my misapplication. For that small group, I've
got
to
invent an additional technique.
This won't bring about World Peace nor abolish Famine and
Disease,
but it'll make me happy.
Best wishes,
Richard
I see that Beth was able to help you and that's great. I'd like
to
help
you
with one little thing for future questions - Office Is not a
program.
It's a
collection of programs. Word, Excel, etc are programs and by
specifying
that
as well as the version (2003, 2007, etc), you'll be helping
those
who
want
to help.
Now go make some killer Sudoku puzzles. And if you publish them,
let
me
know. I always carry a book with me. But no easy ones allowed.

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher
How to ask a questionhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
in
message

Office 2003
On Apr 6, 7:08 pm, "JoAnn Paules" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Which program/version did you use to make your puzzle?

JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher
How to ask a questionhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
"Richard" <[email protected]>
wrote
in
message


I just created a table of 9x9 uniform cells that fill my
displayed
page. I globally set the alignment to "center", both
horizontally
and
vertically, along with a font size of "24".
So far, so good. But when I tried to use Format/Borders to
set
two
of
the interior borders to a larger width, I always wound up
killing
other borders. Can I achieve this in Word/Tables or do I
have
to
go
to HTML?
TIA,
Richard
 
R

Richard

Hi JoAnn.
I want a challenge!

Try http://www.websudoku.com. Toward the bottom, you'll see a "select
a puzzle" link. That will allow you to specify level, which includes
Hard and Evil. They claim to offer millions of free puzzles like
that.
I can see you using Excel for this.

Using Excel formulas wouldn't really be useful for my purposes. I
only want to copy puzzles in a way that (1) minimizes my mistakes; (2)
allows me to print/send a reasonable facsimile of the puzzle I started
with; (3) allows me to send that facsimile electronically; and (4)
allows me o extract the text for further processing. So a table that
fits the window containing it and has the light and heavy interior
borders does the job very well. And Word excels (pardon the pun) at
that. I'll email you the one puzzle I've put up so far if I can get
Google Groups to do that.
Excel is my latest struggle. I'm a formula noobie.

If you're thinking about formulae and Sudoku, then you might be
interested in logic formulas that something like Prolog processes,
rather than algebraic formulae that Excell processes. Prolog lets you
write formulae that define the initial state of a puzzle and then the
constraints the must be satisfied to yield a solution to the puzzle.

You can freely download and use (for non-commercial purposes) a
licensed copy of SWI-Prolog from http://www.swi-prolog.org. You can
get free on-line tutorials for ISO Prolog, which I'll direct you to if
you're interested.

Best wishes,
Richard


I didn't see it as of last night. And I was thinking about you the other
day. I stopped at Target and was looking at the Sudoku books available.
<sigh> There were all easy books - I want a challenge! ;-)

--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

~~~~~
How to ask a questionhttp://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


Hi JoAnn,
I wrote a reply to this message yesterday, but it isn't listed on the
thread today. Did I inadvertently email it rather than post it? I'll
post another reply if it just got eaten by the Web monster :)
Regards,
Richard

I can see you using Excel for this. Formulas could be built in to
disallow a
repeated number. I don't know how one makes a puzzle hard vs easy tho. I
just know that if there's no challenge in them, I don't enjoy it.
(And I've also had netizens pull my bacon out of the fire. And I've had
MVPs
help me with issues that I just couldn't figure out on my own. Excel is
my
latest struggle. I'm a formula noobie.)
--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
~~~~~
How to ask a questionhttp://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375

Hi JoAnn,
That goes on all of my posts. It's my usual sig file.
I didn't realize that. I figured, if you took the time to post it,
courtesy required me to respond.
You'd be surprised how many people post things that basically say
"It's
broke - fix it!"
I've seen it often enough. Newsgroups are an alien world to
newcomers. They don't have a clue about our language and customs.
My adult daughter, who knows little more technology than typing a
letter in Word and responding to friends' emails, asks regularly
what's new with me. I tell her, in more detail than she really can
absorb, how netizens once again pulled my bacon out of the fire. I
relate repeatedly how one needs to develop specific communication
skills to realize the great benefit of the internet. She listens
because she loves her father, but you'll never see her on newsgroups.
It was not done specifically for you - honest.
No problem, really. I recognized the validity of your admonition.
My brevity arose from my belief that if Word offered the facility I
sought, it would be true of all versions Word/Windows.
Nevertheless, it was reasonable for you to offer me such advice in
case I was in need of it.
About, Sudoku: I'm going to try to use Prolog (http://www.swi-
prolog.org/) initially to generate all solutions, if any, to a
variety of published puzzles ... after I, hopefully, had solved them
manually. I just wanted Word for simple but pretty data entry, and
I've got that now.
Again, best wishes,
Richard
That goes on all of my posts. It's my usual sig file. You'd be
surprised
how
many people post things that basically say "It's broke - fix it!" It
was
not
done specifically for you - honest.
--
JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher
How to ask a questionhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
message

Hi JoAnn,
How to ask a question
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
OK, I'll be compliant hereafter. :-(
Best wishes,
Richard
:)
--
JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher
How to ask a questionhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
message

Hi JoAnn,
Thanks for your response.
Re: Office Suite vs. Word Program, I agree about the
distinction,
but I've never seen an Office suite that didn't include Word.
Some
excluced Publisher and FrontPage, but AFIK, all included word.
Nevertheless, I'll say Word in the future :)
Re: Sudoku, I don't plan to be a publisher. My interest in
those
occasional "hard" ones in the Washington Post defy solution
without
trial and error, despite my clever techniques. So I decided to
program a solver that employs my techniques to make sure my
failures
were not simply my misapplication. For that small group, I've
got
to
invent an additional technique.
This won't bring about World Peace nor abolish Famine and
Disease,
but it'll make me happy.
Best wishes,
Richard
I see that Beth was able to help you and that's great. I'd like
to
help
you
with one little thing for future questions - Office Is not a
program.
It's a
collection of programs. Word, Excel, etc are programs and by
specifying
that
as well as the version (2003, 2007, etc), you'll be helping
those
who
want
to help.
Now go make some killer Sudoku puzzles. And if you publish them,
let
me
know. I always carry a book with me. But no easy ones allowed.
--
JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher
How to ask a questionhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
in
message

Office 2003
On Apr 6, 7:08 pm, "JoAnn Paules" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Which program/version did you use to make your puzzle?
--
JoAnn Paules
Microsoft MVP - Publisher
How to ask a questionhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
"Richard" <[email protected]>
wrote
in
message

Hi,
I just created a table of 9x9 uniform cells that fill my
displayed
page. I globally set the alignment to "center", both
horizontally
and
vertically, along with a font size of "24".
So far, so good. But when I tried to use Format/Borders to
set
two
of
the interior borders to a larger width, I always wound up
killing
other borders. Can I achieve this in Word/Tables or do I
have
to
go
to HTML?
TIA,
Richard
 
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