buggy word

[Mendel]

Does anyone know when the new version of Word for 0sx will be available.
This program is killing me it's so buggy.

 

[J.E. McGimpsey]

Does anyone know when the new version of Word for 0sx will be available.
This program is killing me it's so buggy.

At the very least, because of non-disclosure agreements, anyone who
knows can't tell you, anyone who tells you doesn't know. You'll have
to wait for the press release (and no, I don't know).

Do you have anything specific that you need help with?

 

[Mendel]

J.E. McGimpsey7/14/03 2:28
(e-mail address removed)[email protected]

Do you have anything specific that you need help with?

What a nice thing to ask. Thanks. you know it's not really anything specific
it just feels like lots of weird things are going on. It quits many times in
the middle of things, words start mixing themselves up in my documents, a
small "n" suddenly has appeared out of nowhere on my custom built toolbar,
Weird little things like that. it just feels unstable as opposed to the
rather stable version I used in 0S9.

I just added a bunch of ram, it is an ibook and now I have 640MB so I'll see
if my performance improves.

Thanks again for your concern

 

[J.E. McGimpsey]

you know it's not really anything specific
it just feels like lots of weird things are going on. It quits many times in
the middle of things, words start mixing themselves up in my documents, a
small "n" suddenly has appeared out of nowhere on my custom built toolbar,
Weird little things like that. it just feels unstable as opposed to the
rather stable version I used in 0S9.

Quitting in the beginning, middle, or end used to be a fairly common
occurrence for me until I applied SR-1. Hasn't crashed since under
normal operation. Have you applied the 10.1.2 updater (and the
10.1.3 updater, but only if you use the languages listed)? You can
get them from

Mactopia downloads:
http://www.microsoft.com/mac/download/default.asp

Also, be sure you check out

http://mvps.org/word/FAQs/WordMac.htm

There's a boatload of troubleshooting tips as well as other useful
information.

I've never had a problem with words mixing themselves up unless I
did it myself. Are the documents relatively complex with lots of
fields, sections, etc? If I did have this problem, the first thing I
would do is check for viruses. Then, with Word closed, rename my
Normal template and restart Word, which will then build a fresh copy.

OTOH, if it were only one document, I'd suspect a corrupted doc, and
I'd copy all but the last paragraph mark (the pilcro) to a fresh
document. A ton of things are stored in that last paragraph mark -
forcing Word to rebuild them usually solves corruption problems.

As for the "n" that showed up on your toolbar, is it a control? or
just text? When you CTRL-click on it, do you have the option of
deleting it? Assuming your custom toolbar resides in your Normal
template, I'd try renaming the Normal Template then using the
Organizer (Format/Style...click on Organizer) to move it into the
new one. Still there?

 

[Elliott Roper]

OTOH, if it were only one document, I'd suspect a corrupted doc, and
I'd copy all but the last paragraph mark (the pilcro) to a fresh
document. A ton of things are stored in that last paragraph mark -
forcing Word to rebuild them usually solves corruption problems.

So *that's* what it's called. I have been using a similar name for the
whole program as I clean up wrecked documents.

I think I have a new swear word.

 

[Mendel]

J.E. McGimpsey7/14/03 4:01
(e-mail address removed)[email protected]

Quitting in the beginning, middle, or end used to be a fairly common
occurrence for me until I applied SR-1. Hasn't crashed since under
normal operation. Have you applied the 10.1.2 updater (and the
10.1.3 updater, but only if you use the languages listed)? You can
get them from

Mactopia downloads:
http://www.microsoft.com/mac/download/default.asp

Also, be sure you check out

http://mvps.org/word/FAQs/WordMac.htm

There's a boatload of troubleshooting tips as well as other useful
information.

I've never had a problem with words mixing themselves up unless I
did it myself. Are the documents relatively complex with lots of
fields, sections, etc? If I did have this problem, the first thing I
would do is check for viruses. Then, with Word closed, rename my
Normal template and restart Word, which will then build a fresh copy.

OTOH, if it were only one document, I'd suspect a corrupted doc, and
I'd copy all but the last paragraph mark (the pilcro) to a fresh
document. A ton of things are stored in that last paragraph mark -
forcing Word to rebuild them usually solves corruption problems.

As for the "n" that showed up on your toolbar, is it a control? or
just text? When you CTRL-click on it, do you have the option of
deleting it? Assuming your custom toolbar resides in your Normal
template, I'd try renaming the Normal Template then using the
Organizer (Format/Style...click on Organizer) to move it into the
new one. Still there?

Thanks for all the tips. As for the small "n" it's very odd and I have tried
most things. It's just a small text "n" on the right of the close box
(circle) in the handle of the toolbar. So odd???

 

[Chris Brown]

pilcrow, not pilcro

So *that's* what it's called. I have been using a similar name for the
whole program as I clean up wrecked documents.

I think I have a new swear word.

 

[Elliott Roper]

pilcrow, not pilcro

You are right. It would have been churlish of me to correct McGimpsey's
spelling. It was a joke already!
It is *still* pronounced "pillock"

 

[J.E. McGimpsey]

pilcrow, not pilcro

Hmm...I have typography references with both spellings, and neither
is in my dictionaries. Based on Google references, pilcrow is
obviously preferred. Thanks!

 

[Chris Brown]

Hi JE,

had never come across the pilcro variation. When I first encountered
Pilcrow (only a year ago admittedly) it was odd not to find it in the
COD (or other dictionaries, or other references including Usage,
Puncuation, Style Manuals, and Literary Terms volumes). Have not
checked in the full Oxford volume series though. Had to resort to
Google too.

Not an issue of churlish either, in reference to the earlier poster. I
assumed it had been a typo. One would not wish to see the first
discovery of a new swear word for someone, based on a (presumed) typo
would one?

Now back on my list of things to check, next visit to the library. Will
let you know.

regards


Chris Brown
Neurosurgery
University of Adelaide

 

[Chris Brown]

Hi Clive


I (thought) I posted this earlier this afternoon, but it appears not. Not the
least concerned re the would be admonishment. The original being so short was
open to interpretation re intent.

Hi JE

as a followup to my prior post, I have now the entry from the Oxford
English Dictionary 2nd Ed.
(the 20 volume dictionary)


pilcrow ('pilkr**). arch. Forms; 5 pylcraft(e, pilecrafte, 6 pilcrowe,
(7 pilkrow, pill-crow, peelcrow, pilgrow), 6- pilcrow. [App. for pilled
crow: cf. pilcorn, pilgarlic, etc. The application of the word, with the
form pylcraft, has suggested that it originated in a perversion of
PARAGRAPH, through pargrafte, *parcrafte, etc.: cf quots. c 146o and
1617. But the history of the word is obscure, and evidence is wanting.]
= PARAGRAPH sb. I.

[1500 Ortus Voc., Paragraphus, Anglice, a pargrafte in writing.] c1440
Promp. Parv. 398/1 Pylcrafte, yn a booke .. asteriscus, paragrapha, c
1460 Medulla in Way Promp. Parv. 398 note, Paragrapha, pylcraft in
wry[f]ynge. 1573 TUSSER Husb. (1878) 2 In husbandrie matters, where
Pilcrowe ye finde That verse appertaineth to Huswiferie Kinde. 1602 R.
T. Five Godlie Serm. 18 To stand as a Cypher in Augrim, or as a pilcrow
in a latine Primmer. 1617 MINSHEU Ductor, Pilkrow, contractum
videtur corruptumqe ex paragrapho. a 1625 FLETCHER Nice Valour IV. i,
But why a Peel-crow here?.. A Scar-crow had been better. 1706 PHILLIPS,
Pilcrow, an old Word for a Paragraph. 1897 S. S. SPRIGGE T. Wakley xv.
141 The leading article.. calling attention to them with interjections
... and all sorts of verbal pilcrows.


The above is as the OED entry, suitably massaged, as it did produce the
highest required correction count yet from OmniPage.
The phonetic scheme I didn't think to reference at the library, I can
not find a font to produce the same chararcters, and it is different to
my COD, hence I can not cross reference the last two characters and
hence the **. For the record and for whoever may be interested (should
they exist ) , the first (*) is an upside down and back to front lower
case e, and the second (*) is an inverted uppercase omega.

regards

Chris

Chris Brown
Neurosurgery
University of Adelaide

It gives me great pleasure to be the third Australian to participate in this
erudite discussion of pilcrows.

It's listed in the two-volume Shorter Oxford English Dictionary. At greater
length, my 20-volume OED (which I must admit I bought on special, in
anticipation of the likelihood of its being confined to CDs before long)
says [following is slightly abridged, and modified because of typographical
limitations of postings on newsgroup]:

archaic. Forms: pylcraft(e), pilecrafte, pilcrowe, pilkrow, pill-crow,
peelcrow, pilgrow, pilcrow. [App. for "pilled crow"; cf pilcorn, pilgarlic
etc. The application of the word, with the form "pylcraft", has suggested
that it originated in a perversion of PARAGRAPH, through pargrafte,,
parcrafte etc ... But the history of the word is obscure, and evidence is
wanting.] = PARAGRAPH

There follow some wonderful early examples since 1500, through to 1897 with
S.S. Sprigge, ... "The leading article .. calling attention to them with
interjections .. and all sorts of verbal pilcrows".

It took me an hour to look this up -- a minute for pilcrow, then 59 minutes
of compulsive browsing of other words on the wonderful tactile paper; maybe
I should have bought the CD instead!

And don't be bothered by Elliott referring to being churlish, Chris. Poor
bloke, he's well known for having too much irony supplement in his diet ...

And thank you, J.E. -- I hadn't been aware of the spelling, either, having
been a mere stripling youth in 1897.

-- Clive Huggan

Hi JE,

had never come across the pilcro variation. When I first encountered
Pilcrow (only a year ago admittedly) it was odd not to find it in the
COD (or other dictionaries, or other references including Usage,
Puncuation, Style Manuals, and Literary Terms volumes). Have not
checked in the full Oxford volume series though. Had to resort to
Google too.

Not an issue of churlish either, in reference to the earlier poster. I
assumed it had been a typo. One would not wish to see the first
discovery of a new swear word for someone, based on a (presumed) typo
would one?

Now back on my list of things to check, next visit to the library. Will
let you know.

regards


Chris Brown
Neurosurgery
University of Adelaide

 

[Elliott Roper]

I have now the entry from the Oxford

English Dictionary 2nd Ed.
(the 20 volume dictionary)


pilcrow ('pilkr**). arch. Forms; 5 pylcraft(e, pilecrafte, 6 pilcrowe,
(7 pilkrow, pill-crow, peelcrow, pilgrow), 6- pilcrow. [App. for pilled
crow: cf. pilcorn, pilgarlic, etc. The application of the word, with the
form pylcraft, has suggested that it originated in a perversion of
PARAGRAPH, through pargrafte, *parcrafte, etc.: cf quots. c 146o and
1617. But the history of the word is obscure, and evidence is wanting.]
= PARAGRAPH sb. I.

You guys are great. What are we doing to Australia's reputation? Three
people in the same thread with complete OED's (mine's the good eyesight
version)

I have to admit I only looked it up in the Macqaurie [1] and neither
spelling was there. (I know how much of a day I lose whenever I open
the OED)

[1] Another way of diluting our hard fought ocker image, the Macquarie
is quite simply the best modern English Dictionary. Alright, the
definitions sound better to an Australian ear, but for clarity and
brevity it is unbeatable.

Thanks to you both, my new swearWord is now pylcrafte.

regards,
Elliott