Character palette and fonts

[Phil]

I have been working on files on my desktop (G4) and on my portable
(iBook G4) using Word 2004 for Mac on both. The files require many
pronunciation symbols which I get using the Character Palette, mostly
Latin under European Scripts. The files are in Times New Roman. When I
insert a character (such as a macron a [Ä]) on my laptop, it is
inserted in the same font as the rest of the document, i.e., Times New
Roman. When I insert the same character in the same file on my
desktop, it is inserted in a different font (in this case New York,
but sometimes Palatino, etc.). I can't figure out what is causing this
discrepancy, since the files on both computers are the same. My
desktop has many more fonts available than the laptop, but both
machines have Times New Roman and New York available. Any help greatly
appreciated!

 

[John McGhie]

Hi Phil:

You don't say what your OS version is on each machine.

Generically, this is going to turn out to be non-Unicode fonts on the
desktop. However, Word 2004 has bugs in its handling of incoming characters
from Character Palette. Character Palette is supposed to be able to switch
fonts if it needs to when inserting characters. Word 2004 has some bugs
with that.

Personally, I would set your frequently-used characters up as AutoCorrect
entries. Set them up to insert as UN-formatted text and Word will drop the
character in as an unvarnished Unicode character number.

Mac OS will switch the font if it needs to to find the character. Since
you're working in TNR, it won't need to.

Just check that the version of Times New Roman in your desktop: match not
only the font name and manufacturer but the version level against the one on
the iBook. You may have an old non-updated version of the font on the
desktop. If so, it's not Unicode font, and that's why the computer is
switching to a MacRoman font to find the character.

Hope this helps

I have been working on files on my desktop (G4) and on my portable
(iBook G4) using Word 2004 for Mac on both. The files require many
pronunciation symbols which I get using the Character Palette, mostly
Latin under European Scripts. The files are in Times New Roman. When I
insert a character (such as a macron a [?]) on my laptop, it is
inserted in the same font as the rest of the document, i.e., Times New
Roman. When I insert the same character in the same file on my
desktop, it is inserted in a different font (in this case New York,
but sometimes Palatino, etc.). I can't figure out what is causing this
discrepancy, since the files on both computers are the same. My
desktop has many more fonts available than the laptop, but both
machines have Times New Roman and New York available. Any help greatly
appreciated!

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Sydney, Australia. S33°53'34.20 E151°14'54.50
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[Phil]

Thanks, John, I will check versions when I get back to Chicago. Both
machines run identical system software (10.4.9), and I had thought of
checking the fonts, but hadn't done it... hope that's it!

Phil

Hi Phil:

You don't say what your OS version is on each machine.

Generically, this is going to turn out to be non-Unicode fonts on the
desktop. However, Word 2004 has bugs in its handling of incoming characters
from Character Palette. Character Palette is supposed to be able to switch
fonts if it needs to when inserting characters. Word 2004 has some bugs
with that.

Personally, I would set your frequently-used characters up as AutoCorrect
entries. Set them up to insert as UN-formatted text and Word will drop the
character in as an unvarnished Unicode character number.

Mac OS will switch the font if it needs to to find the character. Since
you're working in TNR, it won't need to.

Just check that the version of Times New Roman in your desktop: match not
only the font name and manufacturer but the version level against the oneon
the iBook. You may have an old non-updated version of the font on the
desktop. If so, it's not Unicode font, and that's why the computer is
switching to a MacRoman font to find the character.

Hope this helps

I have been working on files on my desktop (G4) and on my portable
(iBook G4) using Word 2004 for Mac on both. The files require many
pronunciation symbols which I get using the Character Palette, mostly
Latin under European Scripts. The files are in Times New Roman. When I
insert a character (such as a macron a [?]) on my laptop, it is
inserted in the same font as the rest of the document, i.e., Times New
Roman. When I insert the same character in the same file on my
desktop, it is inserted in a different font (in this case New York,
but sometimes Palatino, etc.). I can't figure out what is causing this
discrepancy, since the files on both computers are the same. My
desktop has many more fonts available than the laptop, but both
machines have Times New Roman and New York available. Any help greatly
appreciated!

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John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltdhttp://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Sydney, Australia. S33°53'34.20 E151°14'54.50
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]

Thanks, John

 

[Phil]

Thanks, John, I will check versions when I get back to Chicago. Both
machines run identical system software (10.4.9), and I had thought of
checking the fonts, but hadn't done it... hope that's it!

Phil

Hi Phil:

You don't say what your OS version is on each machine.

Generically, this is going to turn out to be non-Unicode fonts on the
desktop. However, Word 2004 has bugs in its handling of incoming characters
from Character Palette. Character Palette is supposed to be able to switch
fonts if it needs to when inserting characters. Word 2004 has some bugs
with that.

Personally, I would set your frequently-used characters up as AutoCorrect
entries. Set them up to insert as UN-formatted text and Word will dropthe
character in as an unvarnished Unicode character number.

Mac OS will switch the font if it needs to to find the character. Since
you're working in TNR, it won't need to.

Just check that the version of Times New Roman in your desktop: match not
only the font name and manufacturer but the version level against the one on
the iBook. You may have an old non-updated version of the font on the
desktop. If so, it's not Unicode font, and that's why the computer is
switching to a MacRoman font to find the character.

Hope this helps

On 19/6/07 5:00 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Phil"

I have been working on files on my desktop (G4) and on my portable
(iBook G4) using Word 2004 for Mac on both. The files require many
pronunciation symbols which I get using the Character Palette, mostly
Latin under European Scripts. The files are in Times New Roman. When I
insert a character (such as a macron a [?]) on my laptop, it is
inserted in the same font as the rest of the document, i.e., Times New
Roman. When I insert the same character in the same file on my
desktop, it is inserted in a different font (in this case New York,
but sometimes Palatino, etc.). I can't figure out what is causing this
discrepancy, since the files on both computers are the same. My
desktop has many more fonts available than the laptop, but both
machines have Times New Roman and New York available. Any help greatly
appreciated!

Please reply in the group. Please do NOT email me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltdhttp://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Sydney, Australia. S33°53'34.20 E151°14'54.50
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]

Thanks, John

I tried replacing the font with the one from my laptop, no change in
behavior on the desktop. I tried replacing the preference file, no
change. I will be grateful for any further suggestions. It baffles
me... two machined virtually the same conditions (OSX 10.4.10 now,
Word 2004 11.3.5, Times New Roman font 2.60... but one gives me the
accents in the prevailing font (Times New Roman), and the desktop
gives me the fonts in a variety of choices (for example, the prime
accent ′comes out in Monaco). Help!!!!!!

 

[John McGhie]

Hi Phil:

I think that might be your problem: Times New Roman should be version 3.05
from Microsoft Typography. You'll find it in the /Applications/Microsoft
Office 2004 folder.

On the Laptop, I suggest that Microsoft Office has installed that version in
the User Font structure on first-run.

Cheers

Thanks, John, I will check versions when I get back to Chicago. Both
machines run identical system software (10.4.9), and I had thought of
checking the fonts, but hadn't done it... hope that's it!

Phil

Hi Phil:

You don't say what your OS version is on each machine.

Generically, this is going to turn out to be non-Unicode fonts on the
desktop. However, Word 2004 has bugs in its handling of incoming characters
from Character Palette. Character Palette is supposed to be able to switch
fonts if it needs to when inserting characters. Word 2004 has some bugs
with that.

Personally, I would set your frequently-used characters up as AutoCorrect
entries. Set them up to insert as UN-formatted text and Word will drop the
character in as an unvarnished Unicode character number.

Mac OS will switch the font if it needs to to find the character. Since
you're working in TNR, it won't need to.

Just check that the version of Times New Roman in your desktop: match not
only the font name and manufacturer but the version level against the one on
the iBook. You may have an old non-updated version of the font on the
desktop. If so, it's not Unicode font, and that's why the computer is
switching to a MacRoman font to find the character.

Hope this helps

On 19/6/07 5:00 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Phil"

I have been working on files on my desktop (G4) and on my portable
(iBook G4) using Word 2004 for Mac on both. The files require many
pronunciation symbols which I get using the Character Palette, mostly
Latin under European Scripts. The files are in Times New Roman. When I
insert a character (such as a macron a [?]) on my laptop, it is
inserted in the same font as the rest of the document, i.e., Times New
Roman. When I insert the same character in the same file on my
desktop, it is inserted in a different font (in this case New York,
but sometimes Palatino, etc.). I can't figure out what is causing this
discrepancy, since the files on both computers are the same. My
desktop has many more fonts available than the laptop, but both
machines have Times New Roman and New York available. Any help greatly
appreciated!

Please reply in the group. Please do NOT email me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltdhttp://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Sydney, Australia. S33$B!k(B53'34.20 E151$B!k(B14'54.50
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]

Thanks, John

I tried replacing the font with the one from my laptop, no change in
behavior on the desktop. I tried replacing the preference file, no
change. I will be grateful for any further suggestions. It baffles
me... two machined virtually the same conditions (OSX 10.4.10 now,
Word 2004 11.3.5, Times New Roman font 2.60... but one gives me the
accents in the prevailing font (Times New Roman), and the desktop
gives me the fonts in a variety of choices (for example, the prime
accent $B!l(Bcomes out in Monaco). Help!!!!!!

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John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
http://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Sydney, Australia. S33$B!k(B53'34.20 E151$B!k(B14'54.50
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]

 

[Phil]

Hi Phil:

I think that might be your problem: Times New Roman should be version 3.05
from Microsoft Typography. You'll find it in the /Applications/Microsoft
Office 2004 folder.

On the Laptop, I suggest that Microsoft Office has installed that versionin
the User Font structure on first-run.

Cheers

Thanks, John, I will check versions when I get back to Chicago. Both
machines run identical system software (10.4.9), and I had thought of
checking the fonts, but hadn't done it... hope that's it!
Phil
Hi Phil:
You don't say what your OS version is on each machine.
Generically, this is going to turn out to be non-Unicode fonts on the
desktop. However, Word 2004 has bugs in its handling of incoming characters
from Character Palette. Character Palette is supposed to be able to switch
fonts if it needs to when inserting characters. Word 2004 has some bugs
with that.
Personally, I would set your frequently-used characters up as AutoCorrect
entries. Set them up to insert as UN-formatted text and Word will drop the
character in as an unvarnished Unicode character number.
Mac OS will switch the font if it needs to to find the character. Since
you're working in TNR, it won't need to.
Just check that the version of Times New Roman in your desktop: matchnot
only the font name and manufacturer but the version level against theone on
the iBook. You may have an old non-updated version of the font on the
desktop. If so, it's not Unicode font, and that's why the computer is
switching to a MacRoman font to find the character.
Hope this helps
On 19/6/07 5:00 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Phil"
I have been working on files on my desktop (G4) and on my portable
(iBook G4) using Word 2004 for Mac on both. The files require many
pronunciation symbols which I get using the Character Palette, mostly
Latin under European Scripts. The files are in Times New Roman. WhenI
insert a character (such as a macron a [?]) on my laptop, it is
inserted in the same font as the rest of the document, i.e., Times New
Roman. When I insert the same character in the same file on my
desktop, it is inserted in a different font (in this case New York,
but sometimes Palatino, etc.). I can't figure out what is causing this
discrepancy, since the files on both computers are the same. My
desktop has many more fonts available than the laptop, but both
machines have Times New Roman and New York available. Any help greatly
appreciated!
--
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John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltdhttp://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Sydney, Australia. S33°53'34.20 E151°14'54.50
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
Thanks, John

I tried replacing the font with the one from my laptop, no change in
behavior on the desktop. I tried replacing the preference file, no
change. I will be grateful for any further suggestions. It baffles
me... two machined virtually the same conditions (OSX 10.4.10 now,
Word 2004 11.3.5, Times New Roman font 2.60... but one gives me the
accents in the prevailing font (Times New Roman), and the desktop
gives me the fonts in a variety of choices (for example, the prime
accent ′comes out in Monaco). Help!!!!!!

--
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Please reply in the group. Please do NOT email me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltdhttp://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Sydney, Australia. S33°53'34.20 E151°14'54.50
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]

That did it. Thanks so much!

Phil