Click Here - It Changes There! How?

S

Smart-Alex

I don't give up easily.

I have seen a few web sites that are not Flash-Based and yet have Flash-like
interactivity.

Is there a way to do the following in FP2003 WITHOUT downloading scripts
from various script-providers?

There is a site that I saw where this kind of interactivity happens. I tried
to examine the code but then I'm over my head.
I don't want exactly his style but the kind of menu interactivity. The site
is http://www.studiosimon.net/ I'm not interested in the home page but the
following pages have the kind of interactivity that I want to happen.

Am I over my head...or is there a way to build this (or something like it)
strictly with FP2003???

Alex
 
J

Jack Brewster

That site is relying on JavaScripts to achieve the effects you're looking
at. I'm not very familiar with the behaviors capability in FP2003, but it's
possible that you might find some that do this.

The site has a heavy reliance on JavaScript being enabled, though. If you
view the pages with JS disabled, nothing works. For some designers, that's
not an issue. For others, it is. My rule of thumb is, if you lose a sale
because someone has images/javascript/flash/some-other-doohickey installed,
you should re-think your approach.
 
C

Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage

While what jack says is 100% correct you _can_ do most of this stuff with
FrontPage 2003 by using the layers, properties, and behaviors panes.

If you're lucky you won't have to touch any code but most likely you'll have
to do a little.

The amount of stuff you can with these new tools in FrontPage 2003 is fairly
broad, so it'll take some time to learn to use them to their fullest.

HTH

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J

Jack Brewster

Hey...I qualified my post - "I'm not very familiar with the behaviors
capability in FP2003"

:)
 
C

Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage

I'm not saying, i'm _just_ saying... :)

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M

Murray

And all of those behaviors are still using javascript.

Nevertheless, the pages in question are doing something called a 'disjoint
rollover' or "click here, and it goes there". The technique is quite
simple. You would first make sure that all the images on your page are
named. Then, select your trigger, and apply a swap image behavior. When
you apply this behavior, you are given a list of all the images on the page.
By selecting one and then browsing to and selecting the new image that you
want to replace it, and then repeating that action, you can swap every image
on the page.

In this specific case, it's a bad idea, because ALL OF THE CONTENT ON THE
PAGE is image. There is nothing for search engines to use to rank the
relevance of the page. As a result, I'm guessing that this site struggles
for search engine ratings....
 
S

Smart-Alex

OK Murray..I follow you so far BUT how do you get the image to show up the
other side of the page? In other words, I don't want the image that I am
using as a rollover button to change. (swap).I want it to cause an image to
show up somewhere to the right.

I don't worry much about ranking on the web. We get our business mostly
through networking. I don't think that I have EVER gotten a client as the
result of a search.

Alex
 
M

Murray

You have named all your images. When you apply the behavior you see all the
image names listed. Select image "a" and browse to and select the rollover
for image "a", then select image "b" and browse to and select the rollover
for image "b", and so on.
I don't think that I have EVER gotten a client as the result of a search.
Click to expand...

Well, I could say that with your approach, I can guarantee you haven't! 8)
 
D

Don

YES!

If you have FrontPage 2003 it is not easy but can be done..
Look at this sample and see if that fits your needs...
http://www.coldwavesnowwear.com/pages/collections/main/snocross.html
The links on the bottom left are just text links but.. A roll over with the
mouse brings up a picture of the item. How did they do that?

A simplistic page can be found here...
http://www.xmas-i-am.com/layer2.htm

No real tricks just the use of "Layers" and "Behaviors"..

HTH

Don
========================
|I don't give up easily.
|
| I have seen a few web sites that are not Flash-Based and yet have
Flash-like
| interactivity.
|
| Is there a way to do the following in FP2003 WITHOUT downloading scripts
| from various script-providers?
|
| There is a site that I saw where this kind of interactivity happens. I
tried
| to examine the code but then I'm over my head.
| I don't want exactly his style but the kind of menu interactivity. The
site
| is http://www.studiosimon.net/ I'm not interested in the home page but
the
| following pages have the kind of interactivity that I want to happen.
|
| Am I over my head...or is there a way to build this (or something like it)
| strictly with FP2003???
|
| Alex
|
|
 
C

Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage

if it appears on rollover and disappears it's usually by altering the
"visibility" property of the element. also the display property can be
used.

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Microsoft MVP-FrontPage

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D

Don

That ( http://www.studiosimon.net/ ) Page was made with Dreamweaver.
But the same thing can be done in FrontPage 2003 (Much easier I think)

Don
=======================
|I don't give up easily.
|
| I have seen a few web sites that are not Flash-Based and yet have
Flash-like
| interactivity.
|
| Is there a way to do the following in FP2003 WITHOUT downloading scripts
| from various script-providers?
|
| There is a site that I saw where this kind of interactivity happens. I
tried
| to examine the code but then I'm over my head.
| I don't want exactly his style but the kind of menu interactivity. The
site
| is http://www.studiosimon.net/ I'm not interested in the home page but
the
| following pages have the kind of interactivity that I want to happen.
|
| Am I over my head...or is there a way to build this (or something like it)
| strictly with FP2003???
|
| Alex
|
|
 
M

Murray

Yes, it was. I think it's so easy to do in either, that there is no basis
to compare, really. A disjoint image swap is absolutely HTML 100.
 
D

Don

It is only easy once you have the knowledge of how it is done...

Not a *TMM*

Don
=======================
| Yes, it was. I think it's so easy to do in either, that there is no basis
| to compare, really. A disjoint image swap is absolutely HTML 100.
|
| --
| Murray
|
| | > That ( http://www.studiosimon.net/ ) Page was made with Dreamweaver.
| > But the same thing can be done in FrontPage 2003 (Much easier I think)
| >
| > Don
| > =======================
| > | > |I don't give up easily.
| > |
| > | I have seen a few web sites that are not Flash-Based and yet have
| > Flash-like
| > | interactivity.
| > |
| > | Is there a way to do the following in FP2003 WITHOUT downloading
scripts
| > | from various script-providers?
| > |
| > | There is a site that I saw where this kind of interactivity happens. I
| > tried
| > | to examine the code but then I'm over my head.
| > | I don't want exactly his style but the kind of menu interactivity. The
| > site
| > | is http://www.studiosimon.net/ I'm not interested in the home page
but
| > the
| > | following pages have the kind of interactivity that I want to happen.
| > |
| > | Am I over my head...or is there a way to build this (or something like
| > it)
| > | strictly with FP2003???
| > |
| > | Alex
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
C

Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage

didn't see it. was there a link? I thought it was just a "theoretical".
;-)

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Microsoft MVP-FrontPage

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C

Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage

I see the link now. ;-) don't you think, since the whole page is mostly
image, they'd have disabled the image toolbar? that's an unfortunate
oversight, IMHO it totally blows any "cool" the rollover had.

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M

Murray

I completely agree. Not to mention the poorly advised decision to use
images for content....
 
M

Murray

Don:

How can I help you acquire that knowledge? Has my explanation been thorough
enough?
 
C

Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage

true, I wonder how it'd be if they put alt tags that matched the text on the
image itself.
However, some of their artwork and logos are really, really nice. it looks
like they're graphics people not web people. looks like they're using AI,
or Fireworks for most of their logos and stuff.
Lots of nice artistic talent. they should have hired someone equally
skilled with web dev.

--
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Microsoft MVP-FrontPage

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Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
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--
 
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