Data Access Page Design

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r. howell

I am working in Access 2000

When I try to create a data access page, or to work with a data access page
in design view, I either crash the program, or I get a message that says "If
you create a Data Access Page in this version of Access, you cannot open it
in design view in Access 2000. If you have installed Microsoft Office Web
Components, however, you can open this page in page view in Access 2000."

Huh?

I can't work in design view in Data Access Pages in Access 2000? What then
is the point? Why does it have an "edit existing page in design view"
option? (which does indeed not appear to work)?

I can open it in page view in Access 2000?

I thought the whole point was that end-users would not have to have Access
on their computers to be able to see and work with this.

Can anyone help clear up my confusion?

Many thanks.
 
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'69 Camaro

You posted a suggestion to Microsoft in another message via the Microsoft
Online Community, which means the message wasn't posted to many news
servers, including the one that I use, so I can't answer it from my
newsreader. However, the solution to your request . . .
I think it would be helpful to have a category of Data Access Pages
on this discussion board.

.. . . is to use the correct URL for the Data Access Pages newsgroup:

http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...0f6-bae2-445d-9fed-5bc1e5d17ece&lang=en&cr=US

HTH.
Gunny

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R

r. howell

via the Microsoft
Online Community, which means the message wasn't posted to many news
servers, including the one that I use, so I can't answer it from my
newsreader

Because it's a suggestion? Because I went via the Microsoft Online
Community?(never had problems with that before) Because I posted too many
items in a day?

'69 Camaro said:
You posted a suggestion to Microsoft in another message via the Microsoft
Online Community, which means the message wasn't posted to many news
servers, including the one that I use, so I can't answer it from my
newsreader. However, the solution to your request . . .


.. . . is to use the correct URL for the Data Access Pages newsgroup:

http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...0f6-bae2-445d-9fed-5bc1e5d17ece&lang=en&cr=US

And Voila--I can now see the Microsoft Data Access Page Design newsgroup in
a relatively user-friendly mode, unlike the google group. Many, many thanks.


It looks like I'm not allowed to use a newsgroup reader at work, so that
helpful suggestion of others does not help me.

I'll try reposting my pleas for help over there.
 
R

r. howell

Just in case someone else is struggling with this problem.

I discovered that I am actually working in Access 2003, though my database
is being saved in Access 2003 format.

This explains how I can create something that my database tells me it won't
edit. (It actually will, but not very well).

I have yet to discover whether working in a uniformly 2003 environment makes
things go better.
 
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'69 Camaro

Because it's a suggestion? Because I went via the Microsoft Online
Community?(never had problems with that before)

"Yes" and "probably." Suggestions for Microsoft posted via the Microsoft
Online Community Web site are intended for that Web site, and not
necessarily the newsgroup community at large. Some messages get through
anyway, but don't expect all news servers to propagate your suggestions.
Besides, many of the questions posted via the Microsoft Online Community Web
site don't seem to be marked for archiving, so the responses to the
questions posted via that Web site are often propagated through news servers
and the original question is nowhere to be found when Googling for it.
Because I posted too many
items in a day?

No. You may post as many questions or suggestions per day as you'd like.
However, you can't expect all of them to be answered if you turn into a
question mill, because there are only so many volunteer experts available to
answer everyone's questions.
And Voila--I can now see the Microsoft Data Access Page Design newsgroup
in
a relatively user-friendly mode, unlike the google group. Many, many
thanks.

You're welcome. I don't know how much good it will do you, though. Not
very many Access experts will work with Data Access Pages, so getting quick,
correct answers to your questions may prove frustrating.

HTH.
Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips and tutorials.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com/html/expert_contributors2.html for contact
info.
 
R

r. howell

Besides, many of the questions posted via the Microsoft Online Community Web
site don't seem to be marked for archiving, so the responses to the
questions posted via that Web site are often propagated through news servers
and the original question is nowhere to be found when Googling for it.

So I am discovering to my intense frustration.
question mill, because there are only so many volunteer experts available to
answer everyone's questions.

Trying not to be a question mill--just trying not to go crazy.
Not
very many Access experts will work with Data Access Pages, so getting quick,
correct answers to your questions may prove frustrating.

A very accurate statement. Can you by any chance explain why it is that
"not many experts will work with Data Access Pages"? It looks to me like
even those few giving help on the data access page newsgroup are not actually
themselves using Access' interfaces. I mean by this that I suspect that they
wouldn't stoop to something as plebian as opening a data access page in
design view, like us non-expert peons.

Is it because data access pages don't work?

Or because real experts and developers are already using something that
works much better? Because they are all coding in multiple languages, etc.?

Thanks. I am trying to figure out whether I should just ditch this part of
the project and let non-Access people just continue to access data by their
current method--phone or email someone who can access the data.
 
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'69 Camaro

Can you by any chance explain why it is that
"not many experts will work with Data Access Pages"?

It's not a productive use of their time, skills or patience.
It looks to me like
even those few giving help on the data access page newsgroup are not
actually
themselves using Access' interfaces.

Agreed. However, they feel that their experience and expertise in Access,
database, and Web technologies may help you solve the problems you're having
with Data Access Pages, even though they don't use the same tool as you are
using for distributed data access.
Is it because data access pages don't work?

It's a matter of using the correct tool for the job. Data Access Pages were
originally intended for simple Web browser displays of the data stored in a
Jet database file. For this, Data Access Pages work just fine. However,
customizing the Data Access Pages will quickly reveal how difficult or
time-consuming it is to extend the basic functionality of these Web pages.
There are better tools available for building Web pages whenever these Web
pages need to be more complex than static displays of data.
Or because real experts and developers are already using something that
works much better? Because they are all coding in multiple languages,
etc.?

Database technologies and Web technologies use different skill sets and
different programming languages, which is why people tend to specialize in
one or the other, but not both. (Most experts became experts by
specializing and focusing their efforts on a single technology and how other
technologies can be used to facilitate their main specialty.) Expert Access
developers tend to let experts in building Web sites build those Web sites
with their own tools and languages of choice, because it's usually a more
efficient division of labor. You can be assured that those expert Web site
developers aren't using Data Access Pages -- unless it's mandated by the
customer. And most customers are wise enough to ask, "In your expert
opinion, what do you suggest are the best solutions for our needs?"
I am trying to figure out whether I should just ditch this part of
the project and let non-Access people just continue to access data by
their
current method--phone or email someone who can access the data.

Admittedly, that's an inefficient use of resources for certain workers to
contact other workers who have access to the data, but you'll need to
calculate the break-even point. What amount of time savings (i.e., cost
avoidance) would make it worth your while to develop a Web solution for
universal access to the data, and how much would it cost (in actual labor
costs and "opportunity costs" -- all the other projects that could increase
productivity, reduce costs or avoid costs which can't be implemented while
you work on this project could be enormous) to do so? If a worker doesn't
have the expertise for a certain technology, then it's often cheaper to hire
an expert in that technology because the opportunity costs of using the
worker for a task who must first learn to do this task are far higher than
the salary of the IT expert, and the solution will be produced much faster
and is more likely to "get done right the first time" (as long as the IT
expert isn't hired based on lowest cost per hour, because those are the
inexperienced ones who take the longest to produce the solution, _if_ they
produce a solution that doesn't have to be replaced by a workable solution
developed by someone who knows what he's doing).

HTH.
Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips and tutorials.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com/html/expert_contributors2.html for contact
info.
 
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