Disabling Front Page Navigation


D

Dan

Hello All,

This is my first post here and I am in a bit of a jam. I was just
recently hired as a webmaster for a big online store / catalog. Our
website looks like it is right out of 1999 it was stone age by modern
website standards. Here is the thing the site works, generates a ton
of traffic and my boss is afraid to do any major changes to it or move
it outside of Front Page. I never been a big fan of FP and maybe used
it once or twice despite the fact I have been building commercial
websites for almost 5 years now.

I welcomed the challenge of using Front Page to bring our website out
of the web stone age. My solution was to build components of the site
like the header in Dreamweaver then copy the code into FP along with
all the required files it needed to work. I found out VERY quickly it
wasn't all that simple as I had to work around shared borders and a
front page theme. There were bits of code I was taking out for the
horizontal navigation which I am assuming is required for the vertical
navigation to work.

On that note, last night we had our first big update for the new
header. One of my jobs as the publisher was to get everything live,
working and debugged. At first I did not include the front page
required bit of code for the horizontal nav which broke thevertical
nav. I failed to find a way to disable the FP horizontal nav on our
top shared border. I solved the problem by setting the FP horizontal
nav bellow the new header then making the buttons background
transparent so they wouldn't be noticeable.

I was up all night (3:30am) debugging and publishing the site on both
a PC and a Mac checking for cross browser compatibility. All seemed
good on my end and I had two other employees check on a different
machine. All was good until about 9:30 this morning when my boss
informed me that the horizontal navigation which I thought I had hid
was showing up in his Safari browser. Safari was the first browser I
checked the live site in last night and all seemed fine. He sent me a
screen shot and his style sheets also failed to change.

Immediately I thought it was a cache issue on his machine but he
claims he had other people check it and they were having the same
problem. He had me restore the BackUp copy of the site and I did it no
questions asked. So now I have the fun job of figuring out what the
heck went wrong. I have a feeling it is the cache on these other
machines but my boss insist it's not. So my question is ... Is it
possible to disable the horizontal navigation on a shared top border,
without breaking our theme orvertical navigation?
 
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R

Ronx

Horizontal navigation has nothing to do with vertical navigation, other than they both use the layout in Navigation View.
Simply delete the horizontal navigation bar. If this interferes with the vertical nav, then you have other problems to solve - in this case a link to a faulty page will be useful.

If you are intending to use any editor other than FrontPage, I suggest you move away from shared borders and themes - these have always been troublesome and inflexible since 1997 (FrontPage 98).

If using FrontPage 2003, consider the DWT (Dynamic Web Template) instead of shared borders. A FrontPage DWT will also work in Dreamweaver, though not the other way round.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (Expression Web)
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp/wf-menu.aspx
Microsoft is closing this newsgroup - for details of why and where to go see
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp/newsgroup-closure.aspx


Dan laid this down on his screen :
Hello All,
This is my first post here and I am in a bit of
a jam. I was just recently hired as a webmaster
for a big online store / catalog. Our website
looks like it is right out of 1999 it was stone
age by modern website standards. Here is the
thing the site works, generates a ton of
traffic and my boss is afraid to do any major
changes to it or move it outside of Front Page.
I never been a big fan of FP and maybe used it
once or twice despite the fact I have been
building commercial websites for almost 5 years
now.
I welcomed the challenge of using Front Page to
bring our website out of the web stone age. My
solution was to build components of the site
like the header in Dreamweaver then copy the
code into FP along with all the required files
it needed to work. I found out VERY quickly it
wasn't all that simple as I had to work around
shared borders and a front page theme. There
were bits of code I was taking out for the
horizontal navigation which I am assuming is
required for the vertical navigation to work.
On that note, last night we had our first big
update for the new header. One of my jobs as
the publisher was to get everything live,
working and debugged. At first I did not
include the front page required bit of code for
the horizontal nav which broke thevertical nav.
I failed to find a way to disable the FP
horizontal nav on our top shared border. I
solved the problem by setting the FP horizontal
nav bellow the new header then making the
buttons background transparent so they wouldn't
be noticeable.
I was up all night (3:30am) debugging and
publishing the site on both a PC and a Mac
checking for cross browser compatibility. All
seemed good on my end and I had two other
employees check on a different machine. All was
good until about 9:30 this morning when my boss
informed me that the horizontal navigation
which I thought I had hid was showing up in his
Safari browser. Safari was the first browser I
checked the live site in last night and all
seemed fine. He sent me a screen shot and his
style sheets also failed to change.
Immediately I thought it was a cache issue on
his machine but he claims he had other people
check it and they were having the same problem.
He had me restore the BackUp copy of the site
and I did it no questions asked. So now I have
the fun job of figuring out what the heck went
wrong. I have a feeling it is the cache on
these other machines but my boss insist it's
not. So my question is ... Is it possible to
disable the horizontal navigation on a shared
top border, without breaking our theme
orvertical navigation?
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (Expression Web)
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp/wf-menu.aspx
Microsoft is closing this newsgroup - for details
of why and where to go see
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp/newsgroup-closure.aspx
 
D

Dan

Horizontal navigation has nothing to do with vertical navigation, other than they both use the layout in Navigation View.
Simply delete the horizontal navigation bar.  If this interferes with the vertical nav, then you have other problems to solve - in this case a link to a faulty page will be useful.

If you are intending to use any editor other than FrontPage, I suggest you move away from shared borders and themes - these have always been troublesome and inflexible since 1997 (FrontPage 98).

If using FrontPage 2003, consider the DWT (Dynamic Web Template) instead of shared borders. A FrontPage DWT will also work in Dreamweaver, though not the other way round.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (Expression Web)http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp/wf-menu.aspx
Microsoft is closing this newsgroup - for details of why and where to go seehttp://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp/newsgroup-closure.aspx

Dan laid this down on his screen :
Thanks Ron,

The problem is when I delete the horizontal navigation it breaks the
navigation's theme on the vertical nav. If I have the code :
"<!--webbot bot="Navigation" s-orientation="horizontal" s-
rendering="graphics" s-theme="ice 0000" s-type="arrows" b-include-
home="FALSE" b-include-up="FALSE" -->"
Everything is fine, but I have the horizontal navigation bar which we
do not need since we put our own costume header in. So your saying I
SHOULD be able to just delete that slice of code and the vertical
navigation should not be affected?
 
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R

Ronx

"So your saying I
SHOULD be able to just delete that slice of code and the vertical
navigation should not be affected?"

Correct.

The theme used for the horizontal bar is a custom theme referenced within the webbot. The vertical nav bar is either using a custom theme (as per the horizontal bar) or the page's theme (if there is one). Deleting one navigation bar definitely should not affect the other.

--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (Expression Web)http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp/wf-menu.aspx
Microsoft is closing this newsgroup - for details of why and where to go see http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp/newsgroup-closure.aspx


Dan laid this down on his screen :
Thanks Ron,
The problem is when I delete the horizontal
navigation it breaks the navigation's theme on
the vertical nav. If I have the code :
"<!--webbot bot="Navigation"
s-orientation="horizontal" s-
rendering="graphics" s-theme="ice 0000"
s-type="arrows" b-include- home="FALSE"
b-include-up="FALSE" -->" Everything is fine,
but I have the horizontal navigation bar which
we do not need since we put our own costume
header in. So your saying I SHOULD be able to
just delete that slice of code and the vertical
navigation should not be affected?
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (Expression Web)
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp/wf-menu.aspx
Microsoft is closing this newsgroup - for details
of why and where to go see
http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp/newsgroup-closure.aspx
 

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