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pavell
Does the iPad have Word? Because if it does, it's going to replace my laptop
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Rob Schneider
AFAIK, no. Watch the press/media and Microsoft's web site for any
announcement of this sort. I really doubt that it will ever happen and
if it does happen it would be a completely different product since there
is no real keyboard plus so many other limitations of the iPad as a
content "creation" tool. I hear the iPad is great for content
"consumption".
Word, as now deployed, is a high-end tool for authoring, designed for
producing paper-based (or facsimile) deliverables. It surely would not
work well as a key-board-less application.
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announcement of this sort. I really doubt that it will ever happen and
if it does happen it would be a completely different product since there
is no real keyboard plus so many other limitations of the iPad as a
content "creation" tool. I hear the iPad is great for content
"consumption".
Word, as now deployed, is a high-end tool for authoring, designed for
producing paper-based (or facsimile) deliverables. It surely would not
work well as a key-board-less application.
--rms
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John McGhie
The iPad cannot run any member of Microsoft Office, nor any other modern
software that requires multi-tasking or multi-threading.
Apple specifically restricted the iPad only to its own software.
This restriction may be lifted in the next version of the iPad, but the
current one was specifically designed to prevent Microsoft Office from
running.
Hope this helps
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software that requires multi-tasking or multi-threading.
Apple specifically restricted the iPad only to its own software.
This restriction may be lifted in the next version of the iPad, but the
current one was specifically designed to prevent Microsoft Office from
running.
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Rob Schneider
John,
They didn't design iPad to *prevent* Office from running, did they? They
just didn't put in features that Office needs to run; and they did it
not to prevent Office, but to enable what they they were making? It's
like expecting Office to run on the computer that my refridgerator has.
That computer was never designed to run Office.
--rms
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They didn't design iPad to *prevent* Office from running, did they? They
just didn't put in features that Office needs to run; and they did it
not to prevent Office, but to enable what they they were making? It's
like expecting Office to run on the computer that my refridgerator has.
That computer was never designed to run Office.
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thg
The iPad is not a laptop, it's a closed system which only runs software which can be downloaded from Apple's app store. That will not be changing. A special version of Apple's iWork suite is available for it, of which the Pages app can import and export in .doc format.
MS would have to create a special version of Word and have it put into the app store for it to be usable on the iPad.
MS would have to create a special version of Word and have it put into the app store for it to be usable on the iPad.
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Phillip Jones, C.E.T.
Apple has iWork apps already installed on iPad. iWork can work on Office
applications. Now if the office documents can be transferred and worked
surely MS will come out with a version of office for iPad. and if you
get the 64GB version of the iPad (wifi or wifi plus 3g) that almost the
same size as the original drive in my PowerBook g4 17" My current drive
for that machine is 120 Gb and I am still only using about a 1/4 of it.
If anyone thinks that MS won't have a version of Office for at iPad at
some point. They are smoking something illegal.
And there is already a live keyboard available for the iPad.
applications. Now if the office documents can be transferred and worked
surely MS will come out with a version of office for iPad. and if you
get the 64GB version of the iPad (wifi or wifi plus 3g) that almost the
same size as the original drive in my PowerBook g4 17" My current drive
for that machine is 120 Gb and I am still only using about a 1/4 of it.
If anyone thinks that MS won't have a version of Office for at iPad at
some point. They are smoking something illegal.
And there is already a live keyboard available for the iPad.
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Phillip Jones, C.E.T.
MS will get one together, just won't be right away.
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Rob Schneider
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thg
Apple has iWork apps already installed on iPad.
No, they must be downloaded and they cost $9.99 each.
No, they must be downloaded and they cost $9.99 each.
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Phillip Jones, C.E.T.
Why are they being advertised as being preinstalled on some websites?
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John McGhie
Hi Rob:
Well, I am not so charitable
The iPad has everything Microsoft Office would require to run, but various
bits are switched off in software. Any competent hacker could switch them
back on if they know what they're doing with a Hex Editor. And if they did,
Office would run just fine...
As far as I can see, they took a standard copy of Snow Leopard and switched
off bits so the only content you could use is sold by Apple.
If you watch closely, every 12 months or so, they will release a "new,
improved" iPad in which they will flip a couple of bits to re-enable
functionality that was always there, just disabled. And sell it to the
gullible punters for another eight hundred bucks...
They'll keep that up until they re-enable 64-bit multi-tasking with software
built by any developer. Then they will supersede the device with something
maybe including a phone and a camera, and the whole cycle will start
again...
As far as the pundits can tell, the processor is a Samsung Hummingbird ARM
CPU as found on a few mobile phones and tablet computers.
So from where I sit, yeah, they intentionally disabled competing software
vendor's products so Apple would get 100 per cent of the revenue. I am so
old that when I started in computing, IBM was legendary for "lock-in", but
even IBM was not quite THIS bad
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Well, I am not so charitable
The iPad has everything Microsoft Office would require to run, but various
bits are switched off in software. Any competent hacker could switch them
back on if they know what they're doing with a Hex Editor. And if they did,
Office would run just fine...
As far as I can see, they took a standard copy of Snow Leopard and switched
off bits so the only content you could use is sold by Apple.
If you watch closely, every 12 months or so, they will release a "new,
improved" iPad in which they will flip a couple of bits to re-enable
functionality that was always there, just disabled. And sell it to the
gullible punters for another eight hundred bucks...
They'll keep that up until they re-enable 64-bit multi-tasking with software
built by any developer. Then they will supersede the device with something
maybe including a phone and a camera, and the whole cycle will start
again...
As far as the pundits can tell, the processor is a Samsung Hummingbird ARM
CPU as found on a few mobile phones and tablet computers.
So from where I sit, yeah, they intentionally disabled competing software
vendor's products so Apple would get 100 per cent of the revenue. I am so
old that when I started in computing, IBM was legendary for "lock-in", but
even IBM was not quite THIS bad
Cheers
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John McGhie
Hi Phillip:
I gave up smoking...
But I really wouldn't get your hopes up of seeing Office on the current
iPad. The last version of Office that would run with only one thread is
long, long ago...
What you WILL see is Microsoft Office Live on the iPad. The browser-only
version of Microsoft Office should run fine on the 3G version of the iPad.
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I gave up smoking...
But I really wouldn't get your hopes up of seeing Office on the current
iPad. The last version of Office that would run with only one thread is
long, long ago...
What you WILL see is Microsoft Office Live on the iPad. The browser-only
version of Microsoft Office should run fine on the 3G version of the iPad.
Cheers
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Phillip Jones, C.E.T.
Would it work on the wifi model, if you have your own wifi routers I
have an airport express old one (and an 802.11n Belkin router)
have an airport express old one (and an 802.11n Belkin router)
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John McGhie
I don't know: if the iToy has a proper Internet service, then yes, it
should work.
But I wouldn't put it past Apple to have hobbled both Windows Live and
Google Docs
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should work.
But I wouldn't put it past Apple to have hobbled both Windows Live and
Google Docs
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thg
Why are they being advertised as being preinstalled on some websites?
I suppose some retailer to could do that, Apple certainly does not. Can you give the url of such a site?
I suppose some retailer to could do that, Apple certainly does not. Can you give the url of such a site?
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thg
The browser-only
Wifi too, right? That will be extremely valuable if it works.
Wifi too, right? That will be extremely valuable if it works.
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John McGhie
I'm waiting for someone silly enough to buy one to try it and let me know
Office Live is implemented in standard Java, so it should work just fine.
But I wouldn't put it past Apple to do "something" to break it.
The iPad is a SHOP. Steve has somehow managed to con people into carrying
his shop around with them, so he can sell them stuff 24 x 7.
He will do everything he can to prevent any OTHER companies standing by the
cash-register And use any excuse that comes to mind (bandwidth,
battery-life, security, blah blah blah...) to "explain" why his stuff works
and nobody else's can. Yeah, right...
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Office Live is implemented in standard Java, so it should work just fine.
But I wouldn't put it past Apple to do "something" to break it.
The iPad is a SHOP. Steve has somehow managed to con people into carrying
his shop around with them, so he can sell them stuff 24 x 7.
He will do everything he can to prevent any OTHER companies standing by the
cash-register
And use any excuse that comes to mind (bandwidth,battery-life, security, blah blah blah...) to "explain" why his stuff works
and nobody else's can. Yeah, right...
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Randy Singer (MacAttorney)
My goodness the folks in this discussion group are negative and
groundlessly into conspiracies! It would be nice to see some
authoritative citations/links for those outlandish claims folks are
throwing around.
While there isn't a version of Microsoft Word/Office for the iPad yet,
it has nothing to do with Apple, it's because, according to Microsoft,
they are/were sitting back waiting to see how successful the iPad was
going to be before committing to developing for it:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=auKD3w1mOXrs
However, there are companies that have been more daring, so there are
*already* several applications that will run on the iPad, designed to
allow you to create, edit, and open Microsoft Office documents (a
couple of them thanks to the iPhone/iPod Touch):
OfficeSquared/DocSquared $6/$4
http://www.bytesquared.com/
Docs to Go/Premium $10/$15
http://www.dataviz.com/products/documentstogo/iphone/
QuickOffice $10
http://www.quickoffice.com/
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/quickoffice-connect-mobile/id310723177?mt=8
It's true that these applications are not as robust as running Office
on your Macintosh or MacBook, but that shouldn't be surprising, the
iPad is not meant to be the equivalent of a desktop or laptop
computer. It is primarily meant to allow you to consume the Internet
or documents on the go, not create them. Nevertheless, if you use a
keyboard with your iPad, the above applications will allow you to get
a lot of work done.
And, of course, there is nothing to keep you from using this via the
Web:
GoogleDocs (free)
http://docs.google.com/
In fact, just this week I read that GoogleDocs is becoming incredibly
popular:
Half Of All College Students Use GoogleDocs
http://is.gd/bZMxC
LA City Council Choose Google Docs Over Microsoft Office
http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/11/02/la-city-council-choose-google-docs/
Microsoft will soon have its own cloud-based suite that you can use
via the iPad:
http://is.gd/bZN39
___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________
groundlessly into conspiracies! It would be nice to see some
authoritative citations/links for those outlandish claims folks are
throwing around.
While there isn't a version of Microsoft Word/Office for the iPad yet,
it has nothing to do with Apple, it's because, according to Microsoft,
they are/were sitting back waiting to see how successful the iPad was
going to be before committing to developing for it:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=auKD3w1mOXrs
However, there are companies that have been more daring, so there are
*already* several applications that will run on the iPad, designed to
allow you to create, edit, and open Microsoft Office documents (a
couple of them thanks to the iPhone/iPod Touch):
OfficeSquared/DocSquared $6/$4
http://www.bytesquared.com/
Docs to Go/Premium $10/$15
http://www.dataviz.com/products/documentstogo/iphone/
QuickOffice $10
http://www.quickoffice.com/
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/quickoffice-connect-mobile/id310723177?mt=8
It's true that these applications are not as robust as running Office
on your Macintosh or MacBook, but that shouldn't be surprising, the
iPad is not meant to be the equivalent of a desktop or laptop
computer. It is primarily meant to allow you to consume the Internet
or documents on the go, not create them. Nevertheless, if you use a
keyboard with your iPad, the above applications will allow you to get
a lot of work done.
And, of course, there is nothing to keep you from using this via the
Web:
GoogleDocs (free)
http://docs.google.com/
In fact, just this week I read that GoogleDocs is becoming incredibly
popular:
Half Of All College Students Use GoogleDocs
http://is.gd/bZMxC
LA City Council Choose Google Docs Over Microsoft Office
http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/11/02/la-city-council-choose-google-docs/
Microsoft will soon have its own cloud-based suite that you can use
via the iPad:
http://is.gd/bZN39
___________________________________________
Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
___________________________________________
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thg
Office Live is implemented in standard Java, so it should work just fine.
Java like Flash is not supported on the iPad/Phone/Pod. But if you mean Javascript, that works fine.
Java like Flash is not supported on the iPad/Phone/Pod. But if you mean Javascript, that works fine.
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John McGhie
Thanks, my bad, I did indeed mean JavaScript.
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