Fast Track to becoming a full fledged developer

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C Hayes

There are so many professionals here. I'm really interested in becoming a
full fledged access developer and even consulting.

I've been learning VBA and Access ins and outs. What does it take to be
totally confident developer? I know this isn't a clear cut question but I
would like your input.
 
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Jeff Boyce

Whom do you have to convince? What standards do they apply?

I am comfortable with the fact that I do NOT understand all the arcanities
of Access. I know what I know, and I know when I reach the edge.

Does that come anywhere near your definition of "confident"?

--
Regards

Jeff Boyce
www.InformationFutures.net

Microsoft Office/Access MVP


Microsoft IT Academy Program Mentor
http://microsoftitacademy.com/
 
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C Hayes

What kind of background do you have?

You're a microsoft IT trainer. I went to your site and you have a title of
doctor.

I'm just wanting to be a confident deployer of access packages. Is this a
viable track to follow? I'm assuming there are people who do this for a
living, maybe I'm wrong?
 
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Gina Whipp

C Hayes,

I have been an Access developer and doing consulting for a little over 10
years AND I'm still learning. Some days I feel a little more confident than
others... I am confident in one thing, if I don't know the answer I can
get it!
 
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C Hayes

a friend who does php websites who told me, "You never tell them you don't
know, you tell them it can be done, then you find someone who knows how to do
it." I grasp this.

there's obviously more to this than just knowing access. You'ed have to
have a decent amount of project estimating and managment skills to be able to
see a client, show them what you can do to benefit them and then hand them a
price.
 
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Gina Whipp

You have to be be a consultant/project leader/speaker(you're going to do
ALOT of talking)/chameleon (just a little)/researcher/humble (just a teeny
bit)/salesmen (just a pinch)/writer. And that's before the programming part
begins!

I have Clients I have never seen so being able to communicate is also key.
I don't 'approach' a Client, they are referred to me, so your word is also
key. This is not an easy 'profession' to do full time, I keep my 'day job'
for 5 years before I decided to take the plunge and do it full time.

On my business cards is printed: (and thanks to the help here and elsewhere
I only said 'can't be done' once!)

The difficult I do immediately.
The impossible takes a little bit longer

AND be BE HONEST! I have turned down projects because there is something
off the shelf that they can use. (Why reinvent the wheel!) They always
come back to me when a project presents itself because I didn't try to
'sell' them 'a pig in a poke'!
 
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Lowner

Well, I just learned a lot, nothing I've ever seen in any access book, but
nonetheless, information that anyone could use
 
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Wayne-I-M

Hi

What is arcanities ??

Do you have a italian trnslatin of this. (I did a google and cant find it)

Just interestd
 
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C Hayes

thanks Gina, that's pretty good stuff.

Gina Whipp said:
You have to be be a consultant/project leader/speaker(you're going to do
ALOT of talking)/chameleon (just a little)/researcher/humble (just a teeny
bit)/salesmen (just a pinch)/writer. And that's before the programming part
begins!

I have Clients I have never seen so being able to communicate is also key.
I don't 'approach' a Client, they are referred to me, so your word is also
key. This is not an easy 'profession' to do full time, I keep my 'day job'
for 5 years before I decided to take the plunge and do it full time.

On my business cards is printed: (and thanks to the help here and elsewhere
I only said 'can't be done' once!)

The difficult I do immediately.
The impossible takes a little bit longer

AND be BE HONEST! I have turned down projects because there is something
off the shelf that they can use. (Why reinvent the wheel!) They always
come back to me when a project presents itself because I didn't try to
'sell' them 'a pig in a poke'!

--
Gina Whipp

"I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors
II
 
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'69 Camaro

Hi, Wayne.
What is arcanities ??

He means mysteries, obscurities, or arcane bits of knowledge. There are
many obscure, or arcane, facts about how Access works that not too many
people are aware of. However, unless you need them in your work, it's just
trivia, so there's no reason to worry if you don't know everything -- or
nearly everything -- about Access. No one else does, either.
(I did a google and cant find it)

That's the wrong tool. Always have a dictionary handy. And if you don't,
use the following Web page:

http://dictionary.reference.com

HTH.
Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips and tutorials.
Blogs: www.DataDevilDog.BlogSpot.com, www.DatabaseTips.BlogSpot.com
http://www.Access.QBuilt.com/html/expert_contributors2.html for contact
info.
 
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Tony Toews [MVP]

C Hayes said:
There are so many professionals here. I'm really interested in becoming a
full fledged access developer and even consulting.

I've been learning VBA and Access ins and outs. What does it take to be
totally confident developer? I know this isn't a clear cut question but I
would like your input.

Years of practice to become full fledged. And don't do your time in
one large app. Work in a number of apps so you can be exposed to a
bunch of different ideas on how to do things.

And years more of client interaction to become a consultant type. Or
rather self employed developer.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
 
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Tony Toews [MVP]

C Hayes said:
There are so many professionals here. I'm really interested in becoming a
full fledged access developer and even consulting.

I've been learning VBA and Access ins and outs. What does it take to be
totally confident developer? I know this isn't a clear cut question but I
would like your input.

IOW there is no such thing as a fast track.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
 
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Larry Linson

C Hayes said:
There are so many professionals here. I'm really interested in becoming a
full fledged access developer and even consulting.

I've been learning VBA and Access ins and outs. What does it take to be
totally confident developer? I know this isn't a clear cut question but I
would like your input.

A healthy curiosity about why things work the way they do, spending lots of
time doing development work, learning from the heavy lifting done by many
others, and paying attention to more than your own assigned tasks (but not
enough attention that you don't get your own work done) is a good start. In
my 49 years in the computer business (much of it in development), I've seen
a lot of people whose interest resulted in them getting 20 years' worth of
experience in 15 years. But, sad to say, I've also seen people who had one
year of experience 15 times in 15 years, still only competent for
entry-level tasks.

FYI, many "totally confident developers" I have known were, in fact,
overconfident, and not nearly as useful as those who had an understanding of
their own limitations (you know, like Dirty Harry Callaghan said, "A man's
got to know his limitations."). Knowing what you don't know is sometimes
more important than what you do know.

Every Microsoft Access MVP that I know has confidence he/she can
research/find/explore/get the answers when need, but a realistic
understanding that he/she does not, personally, have all the answers.

Larry Linson
Microsoft Access MVP
 
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Wayne-I-M

Thank you

--
Wayne
Manchester, England.



'69 Camaro said:
Hi, Wayne.


He means mysteries, obscurities, or arcane bits of knowledge. There are
many obscure, or arcane, facts about how Access works that not too many
people are aware of. However, unless you need them in your work, it's just
trivia, so there's no reason to worry if you don't know everything -- or
nearly everything -- about Access. No one else does, either.


That's the wrong tool. Always have a dictionary handy. And if you don't,
use the following Web page:

http://dictionary.reference.com

HTH.
Gunny

See http://www.QBuilt.com for all your database needs.
See http://www.Access.QBuilt.com for Microsoft Access tips and tutorials.
Blogs: www.DataDevilDog.BlogSpot.com, www.DatabaseTips.BlogSpot.com
http://www.Access.QBuilt.com/html/expert_contributors2.html for contact
info.
 
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Jeff Boyce

Wayne

My thanks to Gunny ... I sometimes invent words ...

Yes, arcane, mysterious, ...

Jeff Boyce
 
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John Marshall, MVP

Actually Tony, there is a semi fast track. To get the skill level, you need
to be exposed to a wide variety of problems and issues in a short period of
time. Focusing on one project will give you an exposure, but it will take
time and be limited.

The fast track would be to be an active participant im MPA.
Microsoft.Public.Access.*

The more questions you can answer (or feel comfortable in answering), the
better your skill level becomes. Even if you are not sure your answer is
right post it anyway, someone else will confirm your thinking or explain
where you missed the mark. In most cases, you will not be chastised for
making a mistake in an answer. (Unless of course your name is steve)

You will find that most of the experts here will credit the
newsgroups/forums as partially being responsible for their skill level.

John... Visio MVP
 
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Tom Wickerath

a friend who does php websites who told me, "You never tell them you don't
know, you tell them it can be done, then you find someone who knows how to do
it." I grasp this.

I strongly disagree with your friend! Honesty is the best policy. If you
don't know, tell them so, but also tell them that you will attempt to find an
answer. In the long run, you will be scraping much egg off your face if you
are overly confident and attempt to BS your way through an answer.

You might want to review this thread for some helpful ideas
http://groups.google.com/group/micr..._frm/thread/f682567ef0e713f4/1f28083419a60514

Note: All links that point to:
"http://home.bendbroadband.com/conradsystems/accessjunkie"

have been updated to:
http://www.accessmvp.com/JConrad/accessjunkie


Good Luck,

Tom Wickerath
Microsoft Access MVP
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Tom
http://www.access.qbuilt.com/html/expert_contributors.html
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