follow up calls - how do we manage them?

[Ian]

We have a simple requirement and as yet BCM does not seem to fulfil it. This
is getting very frustrating to the point of ditching the product. Here it is:

We need to be able view a list of follow up calls to accounts (or business
contacts – either will do) that need to be made each day. From that list we
need to drill through to the account and make the call. Sounds simple doesn’t
it? ….You’d think.

Apparently BCM doesn’t support Follow up flags in any meaningful way (due
dates especially), or enable a list view of accounts that can be sorted by
follow up flag “due dateâ€.

Also, Tasks are clearly held outside of BCM and the only way to make a link
that you can drill back to the account with is to manually search and attach
from the contact box on the task.

Yes, I know you can link the task to an account when the task is created
from within the account, but you can’t drill back to the account from the
task (unless you’ve gone through the unnecessarily long process of manually
attaching it first). This makes using tasks in the way we understand it,
unmanageable.

Surely wanting a follow up list sorted by date is standard contact
management functionality.

Sorry for the “rant†but as a company we want to access our list of follow
up calls quickly and make them.

Please help us if you have any good suggestions as to how we can truly make
the best of BCM?

Thank you.

 

[Tim P via OfficeKB.com]

You have concluded correctly that the only way to manage your follow up calls
in the way you want to is to use a task item for each call. Once the task
item is manually linked you can then drill through from each task item in
order to have 2 way navigation between the task and the linked Account or
Business Contact item. Your dated Follow up call task items can be sorted
and viewed any number of ways that you wish. Using Tasks is the only way
because BCM does not support the use of the follow up flag feature that
Standard Outlook alone uses. When viewing my tasks I arrange by using the
"Show in groups" option and this gives me a good variety of ways to see and
plan for what is ahead. Play around a bit with the different Task folder
viewing options on the menu bar and you may find something that works well
for you.

-THP

 

[Ian]

Hi Tim,

Thanks for your thoughts. We have a telemarketing guy whose job it is to
call new contacts and schedule follow up calls etc. Tasks is the logical
choice and anyway using Calendar for this would be unworkable.

The heart of the problem is that when adding the task, you have to manually
search and make a connection with an account or contact (if you want to get
back to that account or contact from the Task - and everyone would!) Surely
if I have initiated the task from within an account, a link must be made that
I can drill back to account from!

Manually doing this is not good when you have between 5 and 10k
records....and several clicks to get there first.

I know the Task will be "auto-linked" to the account but it's worthless if I
can't follow that link.

I hope I am making sense here as I'm sure I'm not missing something?

Thanks.
Ian

 

[joeycan]

Ian I agree with you this is my biggest gripe with this app, how they even
try to call this a mini CRM or a contact manager baffles me. You can get
this functionality in many other programs like ACT, Goldmine etc. I would
recommend looking at one of those apps.

 

[Tim P via OfficeKB.com]

Ian,

BCM is a relational data base add-in to stand alone Outlook which has a very
popular UI but utilizes PST object items. Tasks are native Outlook PST items
that are copied in BCM but remain and operate as separate object items in the
original Outlook application. My guess is that this kludgy manual linking
requirement is due to their being 2 side by side separate apps. This manual
linking requirement is indeed a shameful BCM workflow design limitation. My
own work around is to keep repeatedly using the same task item over and over
for each newly planned follow up call. Once each follow up call task item is
manually linked to either an Account or Business Contact (or both), I just
change the date on this already linked task item to the next intended follow
up so I avoid having to always create a new task item and re-link it again.
It's a real labor saver. BCM's Business History folder effectively journals
what has happened with my logged calls in the past so I don't need to keep a
redundant list of "checked off" completed tasks in the task folder. This
work around procedure also keeps my Outlook PST task folder item count lower.


Your telemarketing guy could manually link each phone call task initially 1
time only and then just maintain the same linked task item for each
subsequent follow up call. Catching up with linking your multitude of other
existing Contacts and/or Accounts can occur gradually over time as he runs
into the follow up calls that take place. By maintaining 1 constantly linked
task item with each Account I then also have a way (using the lower left
contact link field on the Task form) to link additional Business Contacts to
an Account eventhough those Business Contacts may already be linked to an
additional separate Account thus also getting around the stupid BCM design
limitation of only being able to link 1 Account per a single Business Contact.


If you're already fed up and not willing to utilize my suggested work around,
you can explore a great Outlook based alternative at www.avidian.com. I have
also used this add-in application and it works very well.

Best wishes,

-THP

Ian I agree with you this is my biggest gripe with this app, how they even
try to call this a mini CRM or a contact manager baffles me. You can get
this functionality in many other programs like ACT, Goldmine etc. I would
recommend looking at one of those apps.

Hi Tim,

[quoted text clipped - 66 lines]

 

[Tim P via OfficeKB.com]

Additional thoughts:

I believe that the workflow assumption of BCM's design is that you always
access a linked task (1 way) from the Account or Business Contact item.
Sales action however can often best flow off of a sorted and prioritized task
list. I don't initiate my follow up calls each day by going to the Account
or Business Contact first. I look at my task list from the Outlook Today
view first in order to see what needs to be done. Eventhough we can
initially create new task items from the Account and have them Auto linked
and listed in the Account History form we need a way to view the link and
navigate both ways more easily without extra manual linking required. 1 way
auto linking of tasks is not worthless. It is entirely convenient but it's
what happens afterward as one needs to work with such linked items. BCM
designers need to incorporate much more end user reality and fore thought in
order to avoid such rudimentary sales related workflow issues. Your postings
on this thread make perfect sense to me Ian and I don't think you are missing
anything.

If anyone is missing something it seems to be the designers of BCM who
apparently do not run their own small business thus not relating well to
fundamental usage features as this thread illuminates. BCM limitations such
as this cannot be due to limited time or resources in the version release
planning cycle. I will never believe that. Limits such as this just seem to
be sloppy oversights that result from the lack of end user empathy or input.


-THP

Ian,

BCM is a relational data base add-in to stand alone Outlook which has a very
popular UI but utilizes PST object items. Tasks are native Outlook PST items
that are copied in BCM but remain and operate as separate object items in the
original Outlook application. My guess is that this kludgy manual linking
requirement is due to their being 2 side by side separate apps. This manual
linking requirement is indeed a shameful BCM workflow design limitation. My
own work around is to keep repeatedly using the same task item over and over
for each newly planned follow up call. Once each follow up call task item is
manually linked to either an Account or Business Contact (or both), I just
change the date on this already linked task item to the next intended follow
up so I avoid having to always create a new task item and re-link it again.
It's a real labor saver. BCM's Business History folder effectively journals
what has happened with my logged calls in the past so I don't need to keep a
redundant list of "checked off" completed tasks in the task folder. This
work around procedure also keeps my Outlook PST task folder item count lower.

Your telemarketing guy could manually link each phone call task initially 1
time only and then just maintain the same linked task item for each
subsequent follow up call. Catching up with linking your multitude of other
existing Contacts and/or Accounts can occur gradually over time as he runs
into the follow up calls that take place. By maintaining 1 constantly linked
task item with each Account I then also have a way (using the lower left
contact link field on the Task form) to link additional Business Contacts to
an Account eventhough those Business Contacts may already be linked to an
additional separate Account thus also getting around the stupid BCM design
limitation of only being able to link 1 Account per a single Business Contact.

If you're already fed up and not willing to utilize my suggested work around,
you can explore a great Outlook based alternative at www.avidian.com. I have
also used this add-in application and it works very well.

Best wishes,

-THP

Ian I agree with you this is my biggest gripe with this app, how they even
try to call this a mini CRM or a contact manager baffles me. You can get

[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]

 

[Ian]

Hi Tim,

I appreciate you taking the time to explain the reason for the issue and
your suggested work around, many thanks for your explanation. We will try
your idea of one rolling task for each account that we need to follow up.
This makes sense to me.

I still can’t believe something has been written for contact management that
doesn’t allow you to schedule follow up calls, properly linked to an account
or person!

Anyway, I have looked at Avidian Prophet and it looks good, although I would
be interested to know if it does anything unfriendly to Oultook when you
de-install it at some point. I know this is probably not the best forum to be
talking about Avidian.

I have invested a lot of time and effort into BCM and I would be keen to
make it work for us…..but there’s a limit…..MS must remember that we are all
trying to use this as a tool for our business .

Tim – thanks again.

Ian

Additional thoughts:

I believe that the workflow assumption of BCM's design is that you always
access a linked task (1 way) from the Account or Business Contact item.
Sales action however can often best flow off of a sorted and prioritized task
list. I don't initiate my follow up calls each day by going to the Account
or Business Contact first. I look at my task list from the Outlook Today
view first in order to see what needs to be done. Eventhough we can
initially create new task items from the Account and have them Auto linked
and listed in the Account History form we need a way to view the link and
navigate both ways more easily without extra manual linking required. 1 way
auto linking of tasks is not worthless. It is entirely convenient but it's
what happens afterward as one needs to work with such linked items. BCM
designers need to incorporate much more end user reality and fore thought in
order to avoid such rudimentary sales related workflow issues. Your postings
on this thread make perfect sense to me Ian and I don't think you are missing
anything.

If anyone is missing something it seems to be the designers of BCM who
apparently do not run their own small business thus not relating well to
fundamental usage features as this thread illuminates. BCM limitations such
as this cannot be due to limited time or resources in the version release
planning cycle. I will never believe that. Limits such as this just seem to
be sloppy oversights that result from the lack of end user empathy or input.


-THP

Ian,

BCM is a relational data base add-in to stand alone Outlook which has a very
popular UI but utilizes PST object items. Tasks are native Outlook PST items
that are copied in BCM but remain and operate as separate object items in the
original Outlook application. My guess is that this kludgy manual linking
requirement is due to their being 2 side by side separate apps. This manual
linking requirement is indeed a shameful BCM workflow design limitation. My
own work around is to keep repeatedly using the same task item over and over
for each newly planned follow up call. Once each follow up call task item is
manually linked to either an Account or Business Contact (or both), I just
change the date on this already linked task item to the next intended follow
up so I avoid having to always create a new task item and re-link it again.
It's a real labor saver. BCM's Business History folder effectively journals
what has happened with my logged calls in the past so I don't need to keep a
redundant list of "checked off" completed tasks in the task folder. This
work around procedure also keeps my Outlook PST task folder item count lower.

Your telemarketing guy could manually link each phone call task initially 1
time only and then just maintain the same linked task item for each
subsequent follow up call. Catching up with linking your multitude of other
existing Contacts and/or Accounts can occur gradually over time as he runs
into the follow up calls that take place. By maintaining 1 constantly linked
task item with each Account I then also have a way (using the lower left
contact link field on the Task form) to link additional Business Contacts to
an Account eventhough those Business Contacts may already be linked to an
additional separate Account thus also getting around the stupid BCM design
limitation of only being able to link 1 Account per a single Business Contact.

If you're already fed up and not willing to utilize my suggested work around,
you can explore a great Outlook based alternative at www.avidian.com. I have
also used this add-in application and it works very well.

Best wishes,

-THP

Ian I agree with you this is my biggest gripe with this app, how they even
try to call this a mini CRM or a contact manager baffles me. You can get

[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]

Thank you.

 

[Tim P via OfficeKB.com]

Ian,

I had absolutely zero difficulty with my entire experience using Avidian
Prophet. They are a very helpful and innovative 3rd party developer with
great support responsiveness. The main reason that I am currently tolerating
the design limitations of BCM is in transitional preparation for the next
release (1st quarter '06?) of the full CRM version 3.0 on a hosted server.
My consulting business needs are growing and if the costs of access are
appropriate for their new upcoming CRM small business edition I may just
make the leap on a trial basis. My biggest wish is for an easily accessible
database from remote locations by many users. The Salesforce.com model seems
to be the wave of the future and I hope that Microsoft gets into the game
with a very Outlook friendly solution along this path. Microsoft is going to
give users the option to implement a solution that is web hosted by their
partners with the option to migrate the hosted CRM to an in-house server
anytime at a later date or vice versa. This appealing option flexibility is
a whole new approach for Redmond and its partner network. We will have to
wait and see if they can navigate the paradigm shift. I truly beieve that
BCM is intentionally crippled with functional limitations because if this app
were more robust it would compete with the need for us small business guys to
hire a Microsoft partner for implementation because many of us wouldn't
necessarily need to migrate to the full CRM as quickly. In other words the
misery incentive from BCM is probably just great enough to get many to step
up into their CRM. That's too bad because I believe that a more smartly
designed, functionally robust version of BCM would actually prove to be a
more powerful entry level drawing card (rather than deterrent) for so many
Office users that wish to remain comfortably within the familiar Outlook
environment. If you can get users loyal to a platform without needlessly
pissing them off with limited functionality it would seem to serve a more
successful higher purpose as the small business grows their enterprise.

My motto is bring the application to the user rather than the user to the
application.

But hey, what the heck do I know?

-THP

Hi Tim,

I appreciate you taking the time to explain the reason for the issue and
your suggested work around, many thanks for your explanation. We will try
your idea of one rolling task for each account that we need to follow up.
This makes sense to me.

I still can’t believe something has been written for contact management that
doesn’t allow you to schedule follow up calls, properly linked to an account
or person!

Anyway, I have looked at Avidian Prophet and it looks good, although I would
be interested to know if it does anything unfriendly to Oultook when you
de-install it at some point. I know this is probably not the best forum to be
talking about Avidian.

I have invested a lot of time and effort into BCM and I would be keen to
make it work for us…..but there’s a limit…..MS must remember that we are all
trying to use this as a tool for our business .

Tim – thanks again.

Ian

Additional thoughts:

[quoted text clipped - 65 lines]

 

[Ian]

Tim,

I agree with your thoughts 100%....well 99% really

I am one of those who are too frustrated with this product and feel (like
you), that the functionality has been ill thought out or deliberately
limited. Why won’t MS do that to a supposedly new version of a CRM product
also? Right now, I don’t think I’ll take the risk.

Like you, I have a consultancy business requiring remote access and real
synchronisation of data. I can’t afford for our team to be beta testing a
product. We need one that works and meets our needs.

Fair enough…maybe I should have taken more time to evaluate the product.
Maybe I should have had less faith in the selling messages from the marketing
team.

I could be one of those like you say, who has invested so much time, effort,
data input and hassle with the product that we end up sticking it out
reluctantly. What a way to manage customer retention.

As and when I find a way around the current difficulties (which I will),
I’ll let you know.

Ian

Ian,

I had absolutely zero difficulty with my entire experience using Avidian
Prophet. They are a very helpful and innovative 3rd party developer with
great support responsiveness. The main reason that I am currently tolerating
the design limitations of BCM is in transitional preparation for the next
release (1st quarter '06?) of the full CRM version 3.0 on a hosted server.
My consulting business needs are growing and if the costs of access are
appropriate for their new upcoming CRM small business edition I may just
make the leap on a trial basis. My biggest wish is for an easily accessible
database from remote locations by many users. The Salesforce.com model seems
to be the wave of the future and I hope that Microsoft gets into the game
with a very Outlook friendly solution along this path. Microsoft is going to
give users the option to implement a solution that is web hosted by their
partners with the option to migrate the hosted CRM to an in-house server
anytime at a later date or vice versa. This appealing option flexibility is
a whole new approach for Redmond and its partner network. We will have to
wait and see if they can navigate the paradigm shift. I truly beieve that
BCM is intentionally crippled with functional limitations because if this app
were more robust it would compete with the need for us small business guys to
hire a Microsoft partner for implementation because many of us wouldn't
necessarily need to migrate to the full CRM as quickly. In other words the
misery incentive from BCM is probably just great enough to get many to step
up into their CRM. That's too bad because I believe that a more smartly
designed, functionally robust version of BCM would actually prove to be a
more powerful entry level drawing card (rather than deterrent) for so many
Office users that wish to remain comfortably within the familiar Outlook
environment. If you can get users loyal to a platform without needlessly
pissing them off with limited functionality it would seem to serve a more
successful higher purpose as the small business grows their enterprise.

My motto is bring the application to the user rather than the user to the
application.

But hey, what the heck do I know?

-THP

Hi Tim,

I appreciate you taking the time to explain the reason for the issue and
your suggested work around, many thanks for your explanation. We will try
your idea of one rolling task for each account that we need to follow up.
This makes sense to me.

I still can’t believe something has been written for contact management that
doesn’t allow you to schedule follow up calls, properly linked to an account
or person!

Anyway, I have looked at Avidian Prophet and it looks good, although I would
be interested to know if it does anything unfriendly to Oultook when you
de-install it at some point. I know this is probably not the best forum to be
talking about Avidian.

I have invested a lot of time and effort into BCM and I would be keen to
make it work for us…..but there’s a limit…..MS must remember that we are all
trying to use this as a tool for our business .

Tim – thanks again.

Ian

Additional thoughts:

[quoted text clipped - 65 lines]

Thank you.

 

[joeycan]

Ian I took Tim's advice and tried Prophet 2004, all I can say is go buy it if
you have any questions ask them they are super honest. I was on the phone
with the Sales rep for like 25 minutes and he answered every concern I had.
I have used it now for my second day, and I absolutely love it. It does
nothing too outlook I actually find it less obtrusive than BCM.

Another great reason for using Prophet is that it does nothing to your
existing set-up all tasks, calendars etc remain the same. And Tim thanks for
the recommendation this software is superb. It is also very fairly priced
around $180.00 which is very reasonable as it does most of what Act does and
no synching required for e-mails or outloook functionality.

Ian the only thing you need to get used to with Prophet (took me like 2
hours to adjust to this) is that Prophet is opportunity based. That is it
assumes you track all info based on an opportunity (it links this easily to
the contact, but you work out of their opportunity window).

There also don't seem to be any conflicts I am running Lookout, GTD Add-in,
and McAfee, and Adobe Acrobat plugin. Without any crashes slowdowns etc, I
did have those occasionally with BCM.

Hope this helps.

Joey...

P.S. I never heard of Avidian Prophet until Tim mentioned it in this post.

 

[Tim P via OfficeKB.com]

Joey,

I'm happy that the Outlook Prophet add-in is working so well for you. For
others so inclined, check it out at www.avidian.com.

Microsoft BCM Development Team take note: It IS possible to create feature
rich software that is reliable for an affordable price offering.

-THP

Ian I took Tim's advice and tried Prophet 2004, all I can say is go buy it if
you have any questions ask them they are super honest. I was on the phone
with the Sales rep for like 25 minutes and he answered every concern I had.
I have used it now for my second day, and I absolutely love it. It does
nothing too outlook I actually find it less obtrusive than BCM.

Another great reason for using Prophet is that it does nothing to your
existing set-up all tasks, calendars etc remain the same. And Tim thanks for
the recommendation this software is superb. It is also very fairly priced
around $180.00 which is very reasonable as it does most of what Act does and
no synching required for e-mails or outloook functionality.

Ian the only thing you need to get used to with Prophet (took me like 2
hours to adjust to this) is that Prophet is opportunity based. That is it
assumes you track all info based on an opportunity (it links this easily to
the contact, but you work out of their opportunity window).

There also don't seem to be any conflicts I am running Lookout, GTD Add-in,
and McAfee, and Adobe Acrobat plugin. Without any crashes slowdowns etc, I
did have those occasionally with BCM.

Hope this helps.

Joey...

P.S. I never heard of Avidian Prophet until Tim mentioned it in this post.

We have a simple requirement and as yet BCM does not seem to fulfil it. This
is getting very frustrating to the point of ditching the product. Here it is:

[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]

Thank you.

 

[Tim P via OfficeKB.com]

That link again is www.avidian.com

-THP

Joey,

I'm happy that the Outlook Prophet add-in is working so well for you. For
others so inclined, check it out at www.avidian.com.

Microsoft BCM Development Team take note: It IS possible to create feature
rich software that is reliable for an affordable price offering.

-THP

Ian I took Tim's advice and tried Prophet 2004, all I can say is go buy it if
you have any questions ask them they are super honest. I was on the phone

[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]

 

[Ian]

Hi Tim / Joey

Thanks for you advice here escpially after my rant starting this thread! I
am pleased
that I am not the only one feeling the same deficiencies in the product.

I've got an eval copy of Prophet. Installed it but it won't let me view my
contact data. The Avidian guys are really helfpull and they told me that BCM
seems to lock up the instance of SQL meaning you need to de-install BCM in
order to evaluate Prophet. It looks like a really strong product but does
this make sense to you guys?

Ian

That link again is www.avidian.com

-THP

Joey,

I'm happy that the Outlook Prophet add-in is working so well for you. For
others so inclined, check it out at www.avidian.com.

Microsoft BCM Development Team take note: It IS possible to create feature
rich software that is reliable for an affordable price offering.

-THP

Ian I took Tim's advice and tried Prophet 2004, all I can say is go buy it if
you have any questions ask them they are super honest. I was on the phone

[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]

Thank you.

 

[joeycan]

Ian it makes sense to mee as I found BCM intruded on some of my Outlook
Set-ups. When I installed Prophet, I had actually uninstalled BCM as i was
that fed up with it.

I believe as I read it someplace before that, you can uninstall BCM and then
re-install and get all your BCM data back.

The only problem with changing to Prophet from BCM is that I found no easy
way to copy the notes, and opportunities from BCM back to outlook contacts.
--
Joee

Hi Tim / Joey

Thanks for you advice here escpially after my rant starting this thread! I
am pleased
that I am not the only one feeling the same deficiencies in the product.

I've got an eval copy of Prophet. Installed it but it won't let me view my
contact data. The Avidian guys are really helfpull and they told me that BCM
seems to lock up the instance of SQL meaning you need to de-install BCM in
order to evaluate Prophet. It looks like a really strong product but does
this make sense to you guys?

Ian

That link again is www.avidian.com

-THP

Joey,

I'm happy that the Outlook Prophet add-in is working so well for you. For
others so inclined, check it out at www.avidian.com.

Microsoft BCM Development Team take note: It IS possible to create feature
rich software that is reliable for an affordable price offering.

-THP

Ian I took Tim's advice and tried Prophet 2004, all I can say is go buy it if
you have any questions ask them they are super honest. I was on the phone
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]

Thank you.

 

[Ian]

Thanks Joey,

This may sound stupid but the only way have I found to de-install BCM is to
go (within BCM);

File>
Data File Management>
Highlight BCM>
Remove>

Is this how you recall doing it?

I did this as I can't see BCM in "add/remove programs.

Ian

Ian it makes sense to mee as I found BCM intruded on some of my Outlook
Set-ups. When I installed Prophet, I had actually uninstalled BCM as i was
that fed up with it.

I believe as I read it someplace before that, you can uninstall BCM and then
re-install and get all your BCM data back.

The only problem with changing to Prophet from BCM is that I found no easy
way to copy the notes, and opportunities from BCM back to outlook contacts.
--
Joee

Hi Tim / Joey

Thanks for you advice here escpially after my rant starting this thread! I
am pleased
that I am not the only one feeling the same deficiencies in the product.

I've got an eval copy of Prophet. Installed it but it won't let me view my
contact data. The Avidian guys are really helfpull and they told me that BCM
seems to lock up the instance of SQL meaning you need to de-install BCM in
order to evaluate Prophet. It looks like a really strong product but does
this make sense to you guys?

Ian

That link again is www.avidian.com

-THP



Tim P wrote:
Joey,

I'm happy that the Outlook Prophet add-in is working so well for you. For
others so inclined, check it out at www.avidian.com.

Microsoft BCM Development Team take note: It IS possible to create feature
rich software that is reliable for an affordable price offering.

-THP

Ian I took Tim's advice and tried Prophet 2004, all I can say is go buy it if
you have any questions ask them they are super honest. I was on the phone
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]

Thank you.

 

[joeycan]

Ian I uninstalled it from Add/Remove programs, you could try to uninstall it
from within the Office 2003 set-up program.

--
Joee

Thanks Joey,

This may sound stupid but the only way have I found to de-install BCM is to
go (within BCM);

File>
Data File Management>
Highlight BCM>
Remove>

Is this how you recall doing it?

I did this as I can't see BCM in "add/remove programs.

Ian

Ian it makes sense to mee as I found BCM intruded on some of my Outlook
Set-ups. When I installed Prophet, I had actually uninstalled BCM as i was
that fed up with it.

I believe as I read it someplace before that, you can uninstall BCM and then
re-install and get all your BCM data back.

The only problem with changing to Prophet from BCM is that I found no easy
way to copy the notes, and opportunities from BCM back to outlook contacts.
--
Joee

Hi Tim / Joey

Thanks for you advice here escpially after my rant starting this thread! I
am pleased
that I am not the only one feeling the same deficiencies in the product.

I've got an eval copy of Prophet. Installed it but it won't let me view my
contact data. The Avidian guys are really helfpull and they told me that BCM
seems to lock up the instance of SQL meaning you need to de-install BCM in
order to evaluate Prophet. It looks like a really strong product but does
this make sense to you guys?

Ian






:

That link again is www.avidian.com

-THP



Tim P wrote:
Joey,

I'm happy that the Outlook Prophet add-in is working so well for you. For
others so inclined, check it out at www.avidian.com.

Microsoft BCM Development Team take note: It IS possible to create feature
rich software that is reliable for an affordable price offering.

-THP

Ian I took Tim's advice and tried Prophet 2004, all I can say is go buy it if
you have any questions ask them they are super honest. I was on the phone
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Thank you.

 

[Tim P via OfficeKB.com]

Ian,

The information about SQL interference from BCM with Prophet is consistent
with my experience. You cannot have these 2 com add ins installed
concurrently. When I removed the BCM version 1 I did it through the Control
Panel add/remove. I'm not sure why that option isn't possible for you on
your machine. I agree that you can try to do an uninstall from the original
set up disk.

-THP

Ian I uninstalled it from Add/Remove programs, you could try to uninstall it
from within the Office 2003 set-up program.

Thanks Joey,

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[joeycan]

Yes it is too bad that Avidian does not have any discussion forums.

Tim if you know of any discussion forums on Prophet I would sure appreciate
it.

 

[Ian]

Thanks,

I'll tell you what I've got MS "wise" that may be relevant in add/remove:

..NET framework 1.1
MS Office Outlook 2003 with BCM update
MS Office Professional
MS SQL Server Desktop Engine

Sorry but I'm not a technical person but I would have thought I would have a
program in add/remove called Microsoft Business Contact Manager? or do I need
to remove ALL of Outlook then re-install without BCM?

I'm showing my technical naivety here

Thanks for any help.
Ian

 

[Tim P via OfficeKB.com]

Ian,

In your Add/ Remove section of Control Panel you need to select the program
titled "Microsoft Office Outlook 2003 with BCM Update." This program should
be the size of 231 MB. This is what you highlight to remove. It will not
remove your entire Outlook program, just the BCM add-in. During uninstall,
the wizard will prompt you to also approve its removal of the "Microsoft SQL
Server Desktop Engine". This program should be the size of 75.74 MB. Click
yes for the wizard to also remove the SQL Server Desktop Engine when prompted.


This should get the job done for you.

-THP