FP Search function

R

Ronx

nortbots.htm only appears in five cases:

1) You are testing on a disc-based website, including a FrontPage
disc-based web that is being browsed through a web-server.

2) You are testing on a website that does not have server extensions
installed or running.

3) The site (or form page) was FTPed from a disc-based web, or
published using a FTP address for the destination, or published to a
file system destination including a network share or UNC address (like
\\machinename\path\webname), or to an address like C:\sitename .
Publish must be to a URL of the form http://example.com

4) The site was correctly published, but the extensions were not
installed correctly or were mis-configured. Re-installing the
extensions may correct the problem.

5) There is a bug associated with FrontPage98 which causes this
problem.


In your case, either 4 applies, or it sounds like you FTPed the page.
Try opening the remote web and running Tools->Recalculate Hyperlinks.
Or remove the form and redo it on the server (remote web).
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
 
V

vinceg

Ron,
Thanks for the info. I will follow up with your suggestions
to recalculate hyperlinks, and build another page directly
on the server, as well.
I have read that this problem had existed in the past (FP98),
but that MS released a fix in a later release of FP extensions.
Could goDaddy be behind in releases?
Thanks again.
 
V

vinceg

Ronx,
I 'recalculated hyperlinks' on the site, and that did not fix the problem.
I created a new page directly on the server,
http://www.vinceg.com/vag_search_3.htm,
and the page that was returned had one line at the top:
"[FrontPage Search Component]" but did not have the
search form or any components (text box, buttons, etc.)
Could this indicate corrupt or out-of-date FP extensions?
My next step is to ask goDaddy to reinstall FP extensions
but I did that before my original post.
Thanks again,
 
R

Ronx

You mentioned GoDaddy.
If I remember correctly, if you are on a Windows 2003 server then
GoDaddy does not support the FrontPage search component.
Based on posts in this and other groups, GoDaddy's support for FrontPage
Extensions is limited, but it is extremely unlikely that they are still
be using FP98 extensions.

--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
 
R

Ronx

Going by the FPextensions version number
FPVersion="5.0.2.6738" from http://www.vinceg.com/_vti_inf.html ,
you are on a Windows 2003 server. Based on previous posts, GoDaddy does
not support the FP search component on Windows 2003.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/




Ronx,
I 'recalculated hyperlinks' on the site, and that did not fix the problem.
I created a new page directly on the server,
http://www.vinceg.com/vag_search_3.htm,
and the page that was returned had one line at the top:
"[FrontPage Search Component]" but did not have the
search form or any components (text box, buttons, etc.)
Could this indicate corrupt or out-of-date FP extensions?
My next step is to ask goDaddy to reinstall FP extensions
but I did that before my original post.
Thanks again,
--
vinceg


Ronx said:
nortbots.htm only appears in five cases:

1) You are testing on a disc-based website, including a FrontPage
disc-based web that is being browsed through a web-server.

2) You are testing on a website that does not have server extensions
installed or running.

3) The site (or form page) was FTPed from a disc-based web, or
published using a FTP address for the destination, or published to a
file system destination including a network share or UNC address (like
\\machinename\path\webname), or to an address like C:\sitename .
Publish must be to a URL of the form http://example.com

4) The site was correctly published, but the extensions were not
installed correctly or were mis-configured. Re-installing the
extensions may correct the problem.

5) There is a bug associated with FrontPage98 which causes this
problem.


In your case, either 4 applies, or it sounds like you FTPed the page.
Try opening the remote web and running Tools->Recalculate Hyperlinks.
Or remove the form and redo it on the server (remote web).
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
 
V

vinceg

I called doDaddy with the info in your last post,
and their response is that "...we don't support
search on Windows servers, but we do on Linus servers.."
Their rationale was that the Windows servers were
more prone to security issues than Linux.
They will not offer any other choice.
Are you aware of other hosting providers that provide
the full range of support for FrontPage?
--
vinceg


Ronx said:
Going by the FPextensions version number
FPVersion="5.0.2.6738" from http://www.vinceg.com/_vti_inf.html ,
you are on a Windows 2003 server. Based on previous posts, GoDaddy does
not support the FP search component on Windows 2003.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/




Ronx,
I 'recalculated hyperlinks' on the site, and that did not fix the problem.
I created a new page directly on the server,
http://www.vinceg.com/vag_search_3.htm,
and the page that was returned had one line at the top:
"[FrontPage Search Component]" but did not have the
search form or any components (text box, buttons, etc.)
Could this indicate corrupt or out-of-date FP extensions?
My next step is to ask goDaddy to reinstall FP extensions
but I did that before my original post.
Thanks again,
--
vinceg


Ronx said:
nortbots.htm only appears in five cases:

1) You are testing on a disc-based website, including a FrontPage
disc-based web that is being browsed through a web-server.

2) You are testing on a website that does not have server extensions
installed or running.

3) The site (or form page) was FTPed from a disc-based web, or
published using a FTP address for the destination, or published to a
file system destination including a network share or UNC address (like
\\machinename\path\webname), or to an address like C:\sitename .
Publish must be to a URL of the form http://example.com

4) The site was correctly published, but the extensions were not
installed correctly or were mis-configured. Re-installing the
extensions may correct the problem.

5) There is a bug associated with FrontPage98 which causes this
problem.


In your case, either 4 applies, or it sounds like you FTPed the page.
Try opening the remote web and running Tools->Recalculate Hyperlinks.
Or remove the form and redo it on the server (remote web).
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





I created a page with a web search form and published it.
http://www.vinceg.com/vagsearch.htm

When I enter search terms, I get a 'Page not found'
The page that couldn't be found is:
http://www.vinceg.com/_derived/nortbots.htm.

I've seen info on this problem, and tried editing the
code on the server, but no success.

Thanks for any info on this (old?) problem.
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

You have to check with each web host to see what features they support.

Some features are only available on Unix/Linux as well as some features are only available on
Windows.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


vinceg said:
I called doDaddy with the info in your last post,
and their response is that "...we don't support
search on Windows servers, but we do on Linus servers.."
Their rationale was that the Windows servers were
more prone to security issues than Linux.
They will not offer any other choice.
Are you aware of other hosting providers that provide
the full range of support for FrontPage?
--
vinceg


Ronx said:
Going by the FPextensions version number
FPVersion="5.0.2.6738" from http://www.vinceg.com/_vti_inf.html ,
you are on a Windows 2003 server. Based on previous posts, GoDaddy does
not support the FP search component on Windows 2003.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/




Ronx,
I 'recalculated hyperlinks' on the site, and that did not fix the problem.
I created a new page directly on the server,
http://www.vinceg.com/vag_search_3.htm,
and the page that was returned had one line at the top:
"[FrontPage Search Component]" but did not have the
search form or any components (text box, buttons, etc.)
Could this indicate corrupt or out-of-date FP extensions?
My next step is to ask goDaddy to reinstall FP extensions
but I did that before my original post.
Thanks again,
--
vinceg


:

nortbots.htm only appears in five cases:

1) You are testing on a disc-based website, including a FrontPage
disc-based web that is being browsed through a web-server.

2) You are testing on a website that does not have server extensions
installed or running.

3) The site (or form page) was FTPed from a disc-based web, or
published using a FTP address for the destination, or published to a
file system destination including a network share or UNC address (like
\\machinename\path\webname), or to an address like C:\sitename .
Publish must be to a URL of the form http://example.com

4) The site was correctly published, but the extensions were not
installed correctly or were mis-configured. Re-installing the
extensions may correct the problem.

5) There is a bug associated with FrontPage98 which causes this
problem.


In your case, either 4 applies, or it sounds like you FTPed the page.
Try opening the remote web and running Tools->Recalculate Hyperlinks.
Or remove the form and redo it on the server (remote web).
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





I created a page with a web search form and published it.
http://www.vinceg.com/vagsearch.htm

When I enter search terms, I get a 'Page not found'
The page that couldn't be found is:
http://www.vinceg.com/_derived/nortbots.htm.

I've seen info on this problem, and tried editing the
code on the server, but no success.

Thanks for any info on this (old?) problem.
 
V

vinceg

Thanks.
I have begun the search for other hosting providers,
but since I have so many accounts at goDaddy,
I've also opened a Linux FP accunt to test Search.
--
vinceg


Thomas A. Rowe said:
You have to check with each web host to see what features they support.

Some features are only available on Unix/Linux as well as some features are only available on
Windows.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


vinceg said:
I called doDaddy with the info in your last post,
and their response is that "...we don't support
search on Windows servers, but we do on Linus servers.."
Their rationale was that the Windows servers were
more prone to security issues than Linux.
They will not offer any other choice.
Are you aware of other hosting providers that provide
the full range of support for FrontPage?
--
vinceg


Ronx said:
Going by the FPextensions version number
FPVersion="5.0.2.6738" from http://www.vinceg.com/_vti_inf.html ,
you are on a Windows 2003 server. Based on previous posts, GoDaddy does
not support the FP search component on Windows 2003.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





Ronx,
I 'recalculated hyperlinks' on the site, and that did not fix the problem.
I created a new page directly on the server,
http://www.vinceg.com/vag_search_3.htm,
and the page that was returned had one line at the top:
"[FrontPage Search Component]" but did not have the
search form or any components (text box, buttons, etc.)
Could this indicate corrupt or out-of-date FP extensions?
My next step is to ask goDaddy to reinstall FP extensions
but I did that before my original post.
Thanks again,
--
vinceg


:

nortbots.htm only appears in five cases:

1) You are testing on a disc-based website, including a FrontPage
disc-based web that is being browsed through a web-server.

2) You are testing on a website that does not have server extensions
installed or running.

3) The site (or form page) was FTPed from a disc-based web, or
published using a FTP address for the destination, or published to a
file system destination including a network share or UNC address (like
\\machinename\path\webname), or to an address like C:\sitename .
Publish must be to a URL of the form http://example.com

4) The site was correctly published, but the extensions were not
installed correctly or were mis-configured. Re-installing the
extensions may correct the problem.

5) There is a bug associated with FrontPage98 which causes this
problem.


In your case, either 4 applies, or it sounds like you FTPed the page.
Try opening the remote web and running Tools->Recalculate Hyperlinks.
Or remove the form and redo it on the server (remote web).
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





I created a page with a web search form and published it.
http://www.vinceg.com/vagsearch.htm

When I enter search terms, I get a 'Page not found'
The page that couldn't be found is:
http://www.vinceg.com/_derived/nortbots.htm.

I've seen info on this problem, and tried editing the
code on the server, but no success.

Thanks for any info on this (old?) problem.
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

FYI: The FP search that is used on Unix/Linux is the WAIS Search, which is different and less
powerful then Index Server, which is a option under Windows Server.

Info about WAIS
http://www.searchtools.com/tools/wais.html
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


vinceg said:
Thanks.
I have begun the search for other hosting providers,
but since I have so many accounts at goDaddy,
I've also opened a Linux FP accunt to test Search.
--
vinceg


Thomas A. Rowe said:
You have to check with each web host to see what features they support.

Some features are only available on Unix/Linux as well as some features are only available on
Windows.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


vinceg said:
I called doDaddy with the info in your last post,
and their response is that "...we don't support
search on Windows servers, but we do on Linus servers.."
Their rationale was that the Windows servers were
more prone to security issues than Linux.
They will not offer any other choice.
Are you aware of other hosting providers that provide
the full range of support for FrontPage?
--
vinceg


:

Going by the FPextensions version number
FPVersion="5.0.2.6738" from http://www.vinceg.com/_vti_inf.html ,
you are on a Windows 2003 server. Based on previous posts, GoDaddy does
not support the FP search component on Windows 2003.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





Ronx,
I 'recalculated hyperlinks' on the site, and that did not fix the problem.
I created a new page directly on the server,
http://www.vinceg.com/vag_search_3.htm,
and the page that was returned had one line at the top:
"[FrontPage Search Component]" but did not have the
search form or any components (text box, buttons, etc.)
Could this indicate corrupt or out-of-date FP extensions?
My next step is to ask goDaddy to reinstall FP extensions
but I did that before my original post.
Thanks again,
--
vinceg


:

nortbots.htm only appears in five cases:

1) You are testing on a disc-based website, including a FrontPage
disc-based web that is being browsed through a web-server.

2) You are testing on a website that does not have server extensions
installed or running.

3) The site (or form page) was FTPed from a disc-based web, or
published using a FTP address for the destination, or published to a
file system destination including a network share or UNC address (like
\\machinename\path\webname), or to an address like C:\sitename .
Publish must be to a URL of the form http://example.com

4) The site was correctly published, but the extensions were not
installed correctly or were mis-configured. Re-installing the
extensions may correct the problem.

5) There is a bug associated with FrontPage98 which causes this
problem.


In your case, either 4 applies, or it sounds like you FTPed the page.
Try opening the remote web and running Tools->Recalculate Hyperlinks.
Or remove the form and redo it on the server (remote web).
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





I created a page with a web search form and published it.
http://www.vinceg.com/vagsearch.htm

When I enter search terms, I get a 'Page not found'
The page that couldn't be found is:
http://www.vinceg.com/_derived/nortbots.htm.

I've seen info on this problem, and tried editing the
code on the server, but no success.

Thanks for any info on this (old?) problem.
 
V

vinceg

Thanks for that info.
Is the WAIS Search sufficient to find documents on the root of the web, in
folders and in sub-webs?
Are there any settings I should tell my hosting provider (goDaddy) to help
them implement Search on a Linux/FP server?
The search test pages I put up still do not work, after all the trouble to
switch to a Linux site.
http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch.htm (built on the client and
published), and http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch2.htm (built directly
on the server).
I've reinstalled FP Extensions several times since my last post, and have
also recalculated the hyperlinks on the site.
I appreciate the information, and the help.
Thanks
--
vinceg


Thomas A. Rowe said:
FYI: The FP search that is used on Unix/Linux is the WAIS Search, which is different and less
powerful then Index Server, which is a option under Windows Server.

Info about WAIS
http://www.searchtools.com/tools/wais.html
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


vinceg said:
Thanks.
I have begun the search for other hosting providers,
but since I have so many accounts at goDaddy,
I've also opened a Linux FP accunt to test Search.
--
vinceg


Thomas A. Rowe said:
You have to check with each web host to see what features they support.

Some features are only available on Unix/Linux as well as some features are only available on
Windows.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


I called doDaddy with the info in your last post,
and their response is that "...we don't support
search on Windows servers, but we do on Linus servers.."
Their rationale was that the Windows servers were
more prone to security issues than Linux.
They will not offer any other choice.
Are you aware of other hosting providers that provide
the full range of support for FrontPage?
--
vinceg


:

Going by the FPextensions version number
FPVersion="5.0.2.6738" from http://www.vinceg.com/_vti_inf.html ,
you are on a Windows 2003 server. Based on previous posts, GoDaddy does
not support the FP search component on Windows 2003.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





Ronx,
I 'recalculated hyperlinks' on the site, and that did not fix the problem.
I created a new page directly on the server,
http://www.vinceg.com/vag_search_3.htm,
and the page that was returned had one line at the top:
"[FrontPage Search Component]" but did not have the
search form or any components (text box, buttons, etc.)
Could this indicate corrupt or out-of-date FP extensions?
My next step is to ask goDaddy to reinstall FP extensions
but I did that before my original post.
Thanks again,
--
vinceg


:

nortbots.htm only appears in five cases:

1) You are testing on a disc-based website, including a FrontPage
disc-based web that is being browsed through a web-server.

2) You are testing on a website that does not have server extensions
installed or running.

3) The site (or form page) was FTPed from a disc-based web, or
published using a FTP address for the destination, or published to a
file system destination including a network share or UNC address (like
\\machinename\path\webname), or to an address like C:\sitename .
Publish must be to a URL of the form http://example.com

4) The site was correctly published, but the extensions were not
installed correctly or were mis-configured. Re-installing the
extensions may correct the problem.

5) There is a bug associated with FrontPage98 which causes this
problem.


In your case, either 4 applies, or it sounds like you FTPed the page.
Try opening the remote web and running Tools->Recalculate Hyperlinks.
Or remove the form and redo it on the server (remote web).
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





I created a page with a web search form and published it.
http://www.vinceg.com/vagsearch.htm

When I enter search terms, I get a 'Page not found'
The page that couldn't be found is:
http://www.vinceg.com/_derived/nortbots.htm.

I've seen info on this problem, and tried editing the
code on the server, but no success.

Thanks for any info on this (old?) problem.
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

It is limited to the web site it is created in. The root web and each subweb/subsite is independent
of each other.

There are no settings to set, other then GoDaddy having to set the extensions to use the WAIS
search.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


vinceg said:
Thanks for that info.
Is the WAIS Search sufficient to find documents on the root of the web, in
folders and in sub-webs?
Are there any settings I should tell my hosting provider (goDaddy) to help
them implement Search on a Linux/FP server?
The search test pages I put up still do not work, after all the trouble to
switch to a Linux site.
http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch.htm (built on the client and
published), and http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch2.htm (built directly
on the server).
I've reinstalled FP Extensions several times since my last post, and have
also recalculated the hyperlinks on the site.
I appreciate the information, and the help.
Thanks
--
vinceg


Thomas A. Rowe said:
FYI: The FP search that is used on Unix/Linux is the WAIS Search, which is different and less
powerful then Index Server, which is a option under Windows Server.

Info about WAIS
http://www.searchtools.com/tools/wais.html
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


vinceg said:
Thanks.
I have begun the search for other hosting providers,
but since I have so many accounts at goDaddy,
I've also opened a Linux FP accunt to test Search.
--
vinceg


:

You have to check with each web host to see what features they support.

Some features are only available on Unix/Linux as well as some features are only available on
Windows.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


I called doDaddy with the info in your last post,
and their response is that "...we don't support
search on Windows servers, but we do on Linus servers.."
Their rationale was that the Windows servers were
more prone to security issues than Linux.
They will not offer any other choice.
Are you aware of other hosting providers that provide
the full range of support for FrontPage?
--
vinceg


:

Going by the FPextensions version number
FPVersion="5.0.2.6738" from http://www.vinceg.com/_vti_inf.html ,
you are on a Windows 2003 server. Based on previous posts, GoDaddy does
not support the FP search component on Windows 2003.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





Ronx,
I 'recalculated hyperlinks' on the site, and that did not fix the problem.
I created a new page directly on the server,
http://www.vinceg.com/vag_search_3.htm,
and the page that was returned had one line at the top:
"[FrontPage Search Component]" but did not have the
search form or any components (text box, buttons, etc.)
Could this indicate corrupt or out-of-date FP extensions?
My next step is to ask goDaddy to reinstall FP extensions
but I did that before my original post.
Thanks again,
--
vinceg


:

nortbots.htm only appears in five cases:

1) You are testing on a disc-based website, including a FrontPage
disc-based web that is being browsed through a web-server.

2) You are testing on a website that does not have server extensions
installed or running.

3) The site (or form page) was FTPed from a disc-based web, or
published using a FTP address for the destination, or published to a
file system destination including a network share or UNC address (like
\\machinename\path\webname), or to an address like C:\sitename .
Publish must be to a URL of the form http://example.com

4) The site was correctly published, but the extensions were not
installed correctly or were mis-configured. Re-installing the
extensions may correct the problem.

5) There is a bug associated with FrontPage98 which causes this
problem.


In your case, either 4 applies, or it sounds like you FTPed the page.
Try opening the remote web and running Tools->Recalculate Hyperlinks.
Or remove the form and redo it on the server (remote web).
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





I created a page with a web search form and published it.
http://www.vinceg.com/vagsearch.htm

When I enter search terms, I get a 'Page not found'
The page that couldn't be found is:
http://www.vinceg.com/_derived/nortbots.htm.

I've seen info on this problem, and tried editing the
code on the server, but no success.

Thanks for any info on this (old?) problem.
 
V

vinceg

Sorry to ask such basic questions, and thank you for your patience.
I take from your last reply that if I create a search page in
www.anysite.com, it would be able to find documents, if the documents were in
that site, or in folders and subsites within that site
(www.anysite.com/anyfolder, or www.anysite.com/anysubsite).
Have you heard of any problems getting this working beyond my sorry tale?

--
vinceg


Thomas A. Rowe said:
It is limited to the web site it is created in. The root web and each subweb/subsite is independent
of each other.

There are no settings to set, other then GoDaddy having to set the extensions to use the WAIS
search.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


vinceg said:
Thanks for that info.
Is the WAIS Search sufficient to find documents on the root of the web, in
folders and in sub-webs?
Are there any settings I should tell my hosting provider (goDaddy) to help
them implement Search on a Linux/FP server?
The search test pages I put up still do not work, after all the trouble to
switch to a Linux site.
http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch.htm (built on the client and
published), and http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch2.htm (built directly
on the server).
I've reinstalled FP Extensions several times since my last post, and have
also recalculated the hyperlinks on the site.
I appreciate the information, and the help.
Thanks
--
vinceg


Thomas A. Rowe said:
FYI: The FP search that is used on Unix/Linux is the WAIS Search, which is different and less
powerful then Index Server, which is a option under Windows Server.

Info about WAIS
http://www.searchtools.com/tools/wais.html
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


Thanks.
I have begun the search for other hosting providers,
but since I have so many accounts at goDaddy,
I've also opened a Linux FP accunt to test Search.
--
vinceg


:

You have to check with each web host to see what features they support.

Some features are only available on Unix/Linux as well as some features are only available on
Windows.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


I called doDaddy with the info in your last post,
and their response is that "...we don't support
search on Windows servers, but we do on Linus servers.."
Their rationale was that the Windows servers were
more prone to security issues than Linux.
They will not offer any other choice.
Are you aware of other hosting providers that provide
the full range of support for FrontPage?
--
vinceg


:

Going by the FPextensions version number
FPVersion="5.0.2.6738" from http://www.vinceg.com/_vti_inf.html ,
you are on a Windows 2003 server. Based on previous posts, GoDaddy does
not support the FP search component on Windows 2003.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





Ronx,
I 'recalculated hyperlinks' on the site, and that did not fix the problem.
I created a new page directly on the server,
http://www.vinceg.com/vag_search_3.htm,
and the page that was returned had one line at the top:
"[FrontPage Search Component]" but did not have the
search form or any components (text box, buttons, etc.)
Could this indicate corrupt or out-of-date FP extensions?
My next step is to ask goDaddy to reinstall FP extensions
but I did that before my original post.
Thanks again,
--
vinceg


:

nortbots.htm only appears in five cases:

1) You are testing on a disc-based website, including a FrontPage
disc-based web that is being browsed through a web-server.

2) You are testing on a website that does not have server extensions
installed or running.

3) The site (or form page) was FTPed from a disc-based web, or
published using a FTP address for the destination, or published to a
file system destination including a network share or UNC address (like
\\machinename\path\webname), or to an address like C:\sitename .
Publish must be to a URL of the form http://example.com

4) The site was correctly published, but the extensions were not
installed correctly or were mis-configured. Re-installing the
extensions may correct the problem.

5) There is a bug associated with FrontPage98 which causes this
problem.


In your case, either 4 applies, or it sounds like you FTPed the page.
Try opening the remote web and running Tools->Recalculate Hyperlinks.
Or remove the form and redo it on the server (remote web).
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





I created a page with a web search form and published it.
http://www.vinceg.com/vagsearch.htm

When I enter search terms, I get a 'Page not found'
The page that couldn't be found is:
http://www.vinceg.com/_derived/nortbots.htm.

I've seen info on this problem, and tried editing the
code on the server, but no success.

Thanks for any info on this (old?) problem.
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

A search page created in the rootweb, would only find documents in rootweb (www.anysite.com or
www.anysite.com/anyfolder), but not any of the subwebs/sites (www.anysite.com/anysubsite).

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


vinceg said:
Sorry to ask such basic questions, and thank you for your patience.
I take from your last reply that if I create a search page in
www.anysite.com, it would be able to find documents, if the documents were in
that site, or in folders and subsites within that site
(www.anysite.com/anyfolder, or www.anysite.com/anysubsite).
Have you heard of any problems getting this working beyond my sorry tale?

--
vinceg


Thomas A. Rowe said:
It is limited to the web site it is created in. The root web and each subweb/subsite is
independent
of each other.

There are no settings to set, other then GoDaddy having to set the extensions to use the WAIS
search.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


vinceg said:
Thanks for that info.
Is the WAIS Search sufficient to find documents on the root of the web, in
folders and in sub-webs?
Are there any settings I should tell my hosting provider (goDaddy) to help
them implement Search on a Linux/FP server?
The search test pages I put up still do not work, after all the trouble to
switch to a Linux site.
http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch.htm (built on the client and
published), and http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch2.htm (built directly
on the server).
I've reinstalled FP Extensions several times since my last post, and have
also recalculated the hyperlinks on the site.
I appreciate the information, and the help.
Thanks
--
vinceg


:

FYI: The FP search that is used on Unix/Linux is the WAIS Search, which is different and less
powerful then Index Server, which is a option under Windows Server.

Info about WAIS
http://www.searchtools.com/tools/wais.html
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


Thanks.
I have begun the search for other hosting providers,
but since I have so many accounts at goDaddy,
I've also opened a Linux FP accunt to test Search.
--
vinceg


:

You have to check with each web host to see what features they support.

Some features are only available on Unix/Linux as well as some features are only available
on
Windows.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


I called doDaddy with the info in your last post,
and their response is that "...we don't support
search on Windows servers, but we do on Linus servers.."
Their rationale was that the Windows servers were
more prone to security issues than Linux.
They will not offer any other choice.
Are you aware of other hosting providers that provide
the full range of support for FrontPage?
--
vinceg


:

Going by the FPextensions version number
FPVersion="5.0.2.6738" from http://www.vinceg.com/_vti_inf.html ,
you are on a Windows 2003 server. Based on previous posts, GoDaddy does
not support the FP search component on Windows 2003.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





Ronx,
I 'recalculated hyperlinks' on the site, and that did not fix the problem.
I created a new page directly on the server,
http://www.vinceg.com/vag_search_3.htm,
and the page that was returned had one line at the top:
"[FrontPage Search Component]" but did not have the
search form or any components (text box, buttons, etc.)
Could this indicate corrupt or out-of-date FP extensions?
My next step is to ask goDaddy to reinstall FP extensions
but I did that before my original post.
Thanks again,
--
vinceg


:

nortbots.htm only appears in five cases:

1) You are testing on a disc-based website, including a FrontPage
disc-based web that is being browsed through a web-server.

2) You are testing on a website that does not have server extensions
installed or running.

3) The site (or form page) was FTPed from a disc-based web, or
published using a FTP address for the destination, or published to a
file system destination including a network share or UNC address (like
\\machinename\path\webname), or to an address like C:\sitename .
Publish must be to a URL of the form http://example.com

4) The site was correctly published, but the extensions were not
installed correctly or were mis-configured. Re-installing the
extensions may correct the problem.

5) There is a bug associated with FrontPage98 which causes this
problem.


In your case, either 4 applies, or it sounds like you FTPed the page.
Try opening the remote web and running Tools->Recalculate Hyperlinks.
Or remove the form and redo it on the server (remote web).
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





I created a page with a web search form and published it.
http://www.vinceg.com/vagsearch.htm

When I enter search terms, I get a 'Page not found'
The page that couldn't be found is:
http://www.vinceg.com/_derived/nortbots.htm.

I've seen info on this problem, and tried editing the
code on the server, but no success.

Thanks for any info on this (old?) problem.
 
V

vinceg

.....more.....
I noticed when I looked at the code behind the Search page, on my site,
and on the server site, before I try a search, I find the following"
"<body>
<!--webbot bot="Search" S-Index="All" S-Fields="TimeStamp,DocumentK,Weight"
S-Text="Search for:" I-Size="20" S-Submit="Start Search" S-Clear="Reset"
S-TimestampFormat="%m/%d/%Y %H:%M" TAG="BODY" b-useindexserver="0"
--></body></html>"

Does 'b=useindexserver...' mean that it is looking for Index Server
functions on the Linux server rather than the WAIS functions that you
mentioned?
Is this something that is left over from when this was a site on a Windows
server,
or could it be an incorrect setting on the Linux server?

Yet when I look at the code in the "No documents found" reply, I find:
"<body>
<form action="_vti_bin/shtml.exe/etoolsearch.htm" method="POST"><input
type="hidden" name="VTI-GROUP" value="0"><p><b>Search for: </b><input
type="text" name="search" size="20" value="index"></p><p><input type="submit"
value="Start Search"><input type="reset" value="Reset"></p></form><p><b>No
documents found. Please try again.</b></p></body></html>"

with no mention of 'useindexserver'.

I'm way over my head here, but I am certain there's some mismatch here
that the goDaddy server setup team is missing. (I hope!)

Thanks again for your help.
--
vinceg


vinceg said:
Sorry to ask such basic questions, and thank you for your patience.
I take from your last reply that if I create a search page in
www.anysite.com, it would be able to find documents, if the documents were in
that site, or in folders and subsites within that site
(www.anysite.com/anyfolder, or www.anysite.com/anysubsite).
Have you heard of any problems getting this working beyond my sorry tale?

--
vinceg


Thomas A. Rowe said:
It is limited to the web site it is created in. The root web and each subweb/subsite is independent
of each other.

There are no settings to set, other then GoDaddy having to set the extensions to use the WAIS
search.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


vinceg said:
Thanks for that info.
Is the WAIS Search sufficient to find documents on the root of the web, in
folders and in sub-webs?
Are there any settings I should tell my hosting provider (goDaddy) to help
them implement Search on a Linux/FP server?
The search test pages I put up still do not work, after all the trouble to
switch to a Linux site.
http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch.htm (built on the client and
published), and http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch2.htm (built directly
on the server).
I've reinstalled FP Extensions several times since my last post, and have
also recalculated the hyperlinks on the site.
I appreciate the information, and the help.
Thanks
--
vinceg


:

FYI: The FP search that is used on Unix/Linux is the WAIS Search, which is different and less
powerful then Index Server, which is a option under Windows Server.

Info about WAIS
http://www.searchtools.com/tools/wais.html
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


Thanks.
I have begun the search for other hosting providers,
but since I have so many accounts at goDaddy,
I've also opened a Linux FP accunt to test Search.
--
vinceg


:

You have to check with each web host to see what features they support.

Some features are only available on Unix/Linux as well as some features are only available on
Windows.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


I called doDaddy with the info in your last post,
and their response is that "...we don't support
search on Windows servers, but we do on Linus servers.."
Their rationale was that the Windows servers were
more prone to security issues than Linux.
They will not offer any other choice.
Are you aware of other hosting providers that provide
the full range of support for FrontPage?
--
vinceg


:

Going by the FPextensions version number
FPVersion="5.0.2.6738" from http://www.vinceg.com/_vti_inf.html ,
you are on a Windows 2003 server. Based on previous posts, GoDaddy does
not support the FP search component on Windows 2003.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





Ronx,
I 'recalculated hyperlinks' on the site, and that did not fix the problem.
I created a new page directly on the server,
http://www.vinceg.com/vag_search_3.htm,
and the page that was returned had one line at the top:
"[FrontPage Search Component]" but did not have the
search form or any components (text box, buttons, etc.)
Could this indicate corrupt or out-of-date FP extensions?
My next step is to ask goDaddy to reinstall FP extensions
but I did that before my original post.
Thanks again,
--
vinceg


:

nortbots.htm only appears in five cases:

1) You are testing on a disc-based website, including a FrontPage
disc-based web that is being browsed through a web-server.

2) You are testing on a website that does not have server extensions
installed or running.

3) The site (or form page) was FTPed from a disc-based web, or
published using a FTP address for the destination, or published to a
file system destination including a network share or UNC address (like
\\machinename\path\webname), or to an address like C:\sitename .
Publish must be to a URL of the form http://example.com

4) The site was correctly published, but the extensions were not
installed correctly or were mis-configured. Re-installing the
extensions may correct the problem.

5) There is a bug associated with FrontPage98 which causes this
problem.


In your case, either 4 applies, or it sounds like you FTPed the page.
Try opening the remote web and running Tools->Recalculate Hyperlinks.
Or remove the form and redo it on the server (remote web).
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





I created a page with a web search form and published it.
http://www.vinceg.com/vagsearch.htm

When I enter search terms, I get a 'Page not found'
The page that couldn't be found is:
http://www.vinceg.com/_derived/nortbots.htm.

I've seen info on this problem, and tried editing the
code on the server, but no success.

Thanks for any info on this (old?) problem.
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

b-useindexserver="0" this is the correct setting.

Are you creating the search page directly on the server?

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


vinceg said:
....more.....
I noticed when I looked at the code behind the Search page, on my site,
and on the server site, before I try a search, I find the following"
"<body>
<!--webbot bot="Search" S-Index="All" S-Fields="TimeStamp,DocumentK,Weight"
S-Text="Search for:" I-Size="20" S-Submit="Start Search" S-Clear="Reset"
S-TimestampFormat="%m/%d/%Y %H:%M" TAG="BODY" b-useindexserver="0"
--></body></html>"

Does 'b=useindexserver...' mean that it is looking for Index Server
functions on the Linux server rather than the WAIS functions that you
mentioned?
Is this something that is left over from when this was a site on a Windows
server,
or could it be an incorrect setting on the Linux server?

Yet when I look at the code in the "No documents found" reply, I find:
"<body>
<form action="_vti_bin/shtml.exe/etoolsearch.htm" method="POST"><input
type="hidden" name="VTI-GROUP" value="0"><p><b>Search for: </b><input
type="text" name="search" size="20" value="index"></p><p><input type="submit"
value="Start Search"><input type="reset" value="Reset"></p></form><p><b>No
documents found. Please try again.</b></p></body></html>"

with no mention of 'useindexserver'.

I'm way over my head here, but I am certain there's some mismatch here
that the goDaddy server setup team is missing. (I hope!)

Thanks again for your help.
--
vinceg


vinceg said:
Sorry to ask such basic questions, and thank you for your patience.
I take from your last reply that if I create a search page in
www.anysite.com, it would be able to find documents, if the documents were in
that site, or in folders and subsites within that site
(www.anysite.com/anyfolder, or www.anysite.com/anysubsite).
Have you heard of any problems getting this working beyond my sorry tale?

--
vinceg


Thomas A. Rowe said:
It is limited to the web site it is created in. The root web and each subweb/subsite is
independent
of each other.

There are no settings to set, other then GoDaddy having to set the extensions to use the WAIS
search.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


Thanks for that info.
Is the WAIS Search sufficient to find documents on the root of the web, in
folders and in sub-webs?
Are there any settings I should tell my hosting provider (goDaddy) to help
them implement Search on a Linux/FP server?
The search test pages I put up still do not work, after all the trouble to
switch to a Linux site.
http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch.htm (built on the client and
published), and http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch2.htm (built directly
on the server).
I've reinstalled FP Extensions several times since my last post, and have
also recalculated the hyperlinks on the site.
I appreciate the information, and the help.
Thanks
--
vinceg


:

FYI: The FP search that is used on Unix/Linux is the WAIS Search, which is different and
less
powerful then Index Server, which is a option under Windows Server.

Info about WAIS
http://www.searchtools.com/tools/wais.html
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


Thanks.
I have begun the search for other hosting providers,
but since I have so many accounts at goDaddy,
I've also opened a Linux FP accunt to test Search.
--
vinceg


:

You have to check with each web host to see what features they support.

Some features are only available on Unix/Linux as well as some features are only
available on
Windows.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


I called doDaddy with the info in your last post,
and their response is that "...we don't support
search on Windows servers, but we do on Linus servers.."
Their rationale was that the Windows servers were
more prone to security issues than Linux.
They will not offer any other choice.
Are you aware of other hosting providers that provide
the full range of support for FrontPage?
--
vinceg


:

Going by the FPextensions version number
FPVersion="5.0.2.6738" from http://www.vinceg.com/_vti_inf.html ,
you are on a Windows 2003 server. Based on previous posts, GoDaddy does
not support the FP search component on Windows 2003.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





Ronx,
I 'recalculated hyperlinks' on the site, and that did not fix the problem.
I created a new page directly on the server,
http://www.vinceg.com/vag_search_3.htm,
and the page that was returned had one line at the top:
"[FrontPage Search Component]" but did not have the
search form or any components (text box, buttons, etc.)
Could this indicate corrupt or out-of-date FP extensions?
My next step is to ask goDaddy to reinstall FP extensions
but I did that before my original post.
Thanks again,
--
vinceg


:

nortbots.htm only appears in five cases:

1) You are testing on a disc-based website, including a FrontPage
disc-based web that is being browsed through a web-server.

2) You are testing on a website that does not have server extensions
installed or running.

3) The site (or form page) was FTPed from a disc-based web, or
published using a FTP address for the destination, or published to a
file system destination including a network share or UNC address (like
\\machinename\path\webname), or to an address like C:\sitename .
Publish must be to a URL of the form http://example.com

4) The site was correctly published, but the extensions were not
installed correctly or were mis-configured. Re-installing the
extensions may correct the problem.

5) There is a bug associated with FrontPage98 which causes this
problem.


In your case, either 4 applies, or it sounds like you FTPed the page.
Try opening the remote web and running Tools->Recalculate Hyperlinks.
Or remove the form and redo it on the server (remote web).
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





I created a page with a web search form and published it.
http://www.vinceg.com/vagsearch.htm

When I enter search terms, I get a 'Page not found'
The page that couldn't be found is:
http://www.vinceg.com/_derived/nortbots.htm.

I've seen info on this problem, and tried editing the
code on the server, but no success.

Thanks for any info on this (old?) problem.
 
V

vinceg

I created 2 pages to test this:
http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch.htm (myclient and then published), and
http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch2.htm (built on the server).
They both yield the same results. The code for both pages looks the same
before the search, and the code for the replies look the same as well, but
the are different from the pre-search code.
Thanks again.
--
vinceg


Thomas A. Rowe said:
b-useindexserver="0" this is the correct setting.

Are you creating the search page directly on the server?

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


vinceg said:
....more.....
I noticed when I looked at the code behind the Search page, on my site,
and on the server site, before I try a search, I find the following"
"<body>
<!--webbot bot="Search" S-Index="All" S-Fields="TimeStamp,DocumentK,Weight"
S-Text="Search for:" I-Size="20" S-Submit="Start Search" S-Clear="Reset"
S-TimestampFormat="%m/%d/%Y %H:%M" TAG="BODY" b-useindexserver="0"
--></body></html>"

Does 'b=useindexserver...' mean that it is looking for Index Server
functions on the Linux server rather than the WAIS functions that you
mentioned?
Is this something that is left over from when this was a site on a Windows
server,
or could it be an incorrect setting on the Linux server?

Yet when I look at the code in the "No documents found" reply, I find:
"<body>
<form action="_vti_bin/shtml.exe/etoolsearch.htm" method="POST"><input
type="hidden" name="VTI-GROUP" value="0"><p><b>Search for: </b><input
type="text" name="search" size="20" value="index"></p><p><input type="submit"
value="Start Search"><input type="reset" value="Reset"></p></form><p><b>No
documents found. Please try again.</b></p></body></html>"

with no mention of 'useindexserver'.

I'm way over my head here, but I am certain there's some mismatch here
that the goDaddy server setup team is missing. (I hope!)

Thanks again for your help.
--
vinceg


vinceg said:
Sorry to ask such basic questions, and thank you for your patience.
I take from your last reply that if I create a search page in
www.anysite.com, it would be able to find documents, if the documents were in
that site, or in folders and subsites within that site
(www.anysite.com/anyfolder, or www.anysite.com/anysubsite).
Have you heard of any problems getting this working beyond my sorry tale?

--
vinceg


:

It is limited to the web site it is created in. The root web and each subweb/subsite is
independent
of each other.

There are no settings to set, other then GoDaddy having to set the extensions to use the WAIS
search.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


Thanks for that info.
Is the WAIS Search sufficient to find documents on the root of the web, in
folders and in sub-webs?
Are there any settings I should tell my hosting provider (goDaddy) to help
them implement Search on a Linux/FP server?
The search test pages I put up still do not work, after all the trouble to
switch to a Linux site.
http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch.htm (built on the client and
published), and http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch2.htm (built directly
on the server).
I've reinstalled FP Extensions several times since my last post, and have
also recalculated the hyperlinks on the site.
I appreciate the information, and the help.
Thanks
--
vinceg


:

FYI: The FP search that is used on Unix/Linux is the WAIS Search, which is different and
less
powerful then Index Server, which is a option under Windows Server.

Info about WAIS
http://www.searchtools.com/tools/wais.html
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


Thanks.
I have begun the search for other hosting providers,
but since I have so many accounts at goDaddy,
I've also opened a Linux FP accunt to test Search.
--
vinceg


:

You have to check with each web host to see what features they support.

Some features are only available on Unix/Linux as well as some features are only
available on
Windows.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


I called doDaddy with the info in your last post,
and their response is that "...we don't support
search on Windows servers, but we do on Linus servers.."
Their rationale was that the Windows servers were
more prone to security issues than Linux.
They will not offer any other choice.
Are you aware of other hosting providers that provide
the full range of support for FrontPage?
--
vinceg


:

Going by the FPextensions version number
FPVersion="5.0.2.6738" from http://www.vinceg.com/_vti_inf.html ,
you are on a Windows 2003 server. Based on previous posts, GoDaddy does
not support the FP search component on Windows 2003.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





Ronx,
I 'recalculated hyperlinks' on the site, and that did not fix the problem.
I created a new page directly on the server,
http://www.vinceg.com/vag_search_3.htm,
and the page that was returned had one line at the top:
"[FrontPage Search Component]" but did not have the
search form or any components (text box, buttons, etc.)
Could this indicate corrupt or out-of-date FP extensions?
My next step is to ask goDaddy to reinstall FP extensions
but I did that before my original post.
Thanks again,
--
vinceg


:

nortbots.htm only appears in five cases:

1) You are testing on a disc-based website, including a FrontPage
disc-based web that is being browsed through a web-server.

2) You are testing on a website that does not have server extensions
installed or running.

3) The site (or form page) was FTPed from a disc-based web, or
published using a FTP address for the destination, or published to a
file system destination including a network share or UNC address (like
\\machinename\path\webname), or to an address like C:\sitename .
Publish must be to a URL of the form http://example.com

4) The site was correctly published, but the extensions were not
installed correctly or were mis-configured. Re-installing the
extensions may correct the problem.

5) There is a bug associated with FrontPage98 which causes this
problem.


In your case, either 4 applies, or it sounds like you FTPed the page.
Try opening the remote web and running Tools->Recalculate Hyperlinks.
Or remove the form and redo it on the server (remote web).
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





I created a page with a web search form and published it.
http://www.vinceg.com/vagsearch.htm

When I enter search terms, I get a 'Page not found'
The page that couldn't be found is:
http://www.vinceg.com/_derived/nortbots.htm.

I've seen info on this problem, and tried editing the
code on the server, but no success.

Thanks for any info on this (old?) problem.
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Ask your web host to run a server health check and/or a recalculate hyperlinks from their end.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


vinceg said:
I created 2 pages to test this:
http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch.htm (myclient and then published), and
http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch2.htm (built on the server).
They both yield the same results. The code for both pages looks the same
before the search, and the code for the replies look the same as well, but
the are different from the pre-search code.
Thanks again.
--
vinceg


Thomas A. Rowe said:
b-useindexserver="0" this is the correct setting.

Are you creating the search page directly on the server?

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


vinceg said:
....more.....
I noticed when I looked at the code behind the Search page, on my site,
and on the server site, before I try a search, I find the following"
"<body>
<!--webbot bot="Search" S-Index="All" S-Fields="TimeStamp,DocumentK,Weight"
S-Text="Search for:" I-Size="20" S-Submit="Start Search" S-Clear="Reset"
S-TimestampFormat="%m/%d/%Y %H:%M" TAG="BODY" b-useindexserver="0"
--></body></html>"

Does 'b=useindexserver...' mean that it is looking for Index Server
functions on the Linux server rather than the WAIS functions that you
mentioned?
Is this something that is left over from when this was a site on a Windows
server,
or could it be an incorrect setting on the Linux server?

Yet when I look at the code in the "No documents found" reply, I find:
"<body>
<form action="_vti_bin/shtml.exe/etoolsearch.htm" method="POST"><input
type="hidden" name="VTI-GROUP" value="0"><p><b>Search for: </b><input
type="text" name="search" size="20" value="index"></p><p><input type="submit"
value="Start Search"><input type="reset" value="Reset"></p></form><p><b>No
documents found. Please try again.</b></p></body></html>"

with no mention of 'useindexserver'.

I'm way over my head here, but I am certain there's some mismatch here
that the goDaddy server setup team is missing. (I hope!)

Thanks again for your help.
--
vinceg


:

Sorry to ask such basic questions, and thank you for your patience.
I take from your last reply that if I create a search page in
www.anysite.com, it would be able to find documents, if the documents were in
that site, or in folders and subsites within that site
(www.anysite.com/anyfolder, or www.anysite.com/anysubsite).
Have you heard of any problems getting this working beyond my sorry tale?

--
vinceg


:

It is limited to the web site it is created in. The root web and each subweb/subsite is
independent
of each other.

There are no settings to set, other then GoDaddy having to set the extensions to use the
WAIS
search.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


Thanks for that info.
Is the WAIS Search sufficient to find documents on the root of the web, in
folders and in sub-webs?
Are there any settings I should tell my hosting provider (goDaddy) to help
them implement Search on a Linux/FP server?
The search test pages I put up still do not work, after all the trouble to
switch to a Linux site.
http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch.htm (built on the client and
published), and http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch2.htm (built directly
on the server).
I've reinstalled FP Extensions several times since my last post, and have
also recalculated the hyperlinks on the site.
I appreciate the information, and the help.
Thanks
--
vinceg


:

FYI: The FP search that is used on Unix/Linux is the WAIS Search, which is different and
less
powerful then Index Server, which is a option under Windows Server.

Info about WAIS
http://www.searchtools.com/tools/wais.html
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


Thanks.
I have begun the search for other hosting providers,
but since I have so many accounts at goDaddy,
I've also opened a Linux FP accunt to test Search.
--
vinceg


:

You have to check with each web host to see what features they support.

Some features are only available on Unix/Linux as well as some features are only
available on
Windows.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


I called doDaddy with the info in your last post,
and their response is that "...we don't support
search on Windows servers, but we do on Linus servers.."
Their rationale was that the Windows servers were
more prone to security issues than Linux.
They will not offer any other choice.
Are you aware of other hosting providers that provide
the full range of support for FrontPage?
--
vinceg


:

Going by the FPextensions version number
FPVersion="5.0.2.6738" from http://www.vinceg.com/_vti_inf.html ,
you are on a Windows 2003 server. Based on previous posts, GoDaddy does
not support the FP search component on Windows 2003.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





Ronx,
I 'recalculated hyperlinks' on the site, and that did not fix the problem.
I created a new page directly on the server,
http://www.vinceg.com/vag_search_3.htm,
and the page that was returned had one line at the top:
"[FrontPage Search Component]" but did not have the
search form or any components (text box, buttons, etc.)
Could this indicate corrupt or out-of-date FP extensions?
My next step is to ask goDaddy to reinstall FP extensions
but I did that before my original post.
Thanks again,
--
vinceg


:

nortbots.htm only appears in five cases:

1) You are testing on a disc-based website, including a FrontPage
disc-based web that is being browsed through a web-server.

2) You are testing on a website that does not have server extensions
installed or running.

3) The site (or form page) was FTPed from a disc-based web, or
published using a FTP address for the destination, or published to a
file system destination including a network share or UNC address (like
\\machinename\path\webname), or to an address like C:\sitename .
Publish must be to a URL of the form http://example.com

4) The site was correctly published, but the extensions were not
installed correctly or were mis-configured. Re-installing the
extensions may correct the problem.

5) There is a bug associated with FrontPage98 which causes this
problem.


In your case, either 4 applies, or it sounds like you FTPed the page.
Try opening the remote web and running Tools->Recalculate Hyperlinks.
Or remove the form and redo it on the server (remote web).
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





I created a page with a web search form and published it.
http://www.vinceg.com/vagsearch.htm

When I enter search terms, I get a 'Page not found'
The page that couldn't be found is:
http://www.vinceg.com/_derived/nortbots.htm.

I've seen info on this problem, and tried editing the
code on the server, but no success.

Thanks for any info on this (old?) problem.
 
V

vinceg

Thank you. I will.
In the time since my last post, I received an apology, with a note that said
Search is now enabled.
When I tested it, however, I got:
"Error from search: can't open the word hash file
/var/chroot/home/content/e/t/o/etool/html/_vti_txt/default.wti/All.dct

No documents found. Please try again."

And so it goes.

--
vinceg


Thomas A. Rowe said:
Ask your web host to run a server health check and/or a recalculate hyperlinks from their end.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


vinceg said:
I created 2 pages to test this:
http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch.htm (myclient and then published), and
http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch2.htm (built on the server).
They both yield the same results. The code for both pages looks the same
before the search, and the code for the replies look the same as well, but
the are different from the pre-search code.
Thanks again.
--
vinceg


Thomas A. Rowe said:
b-useindexserver="0" this is the correct setting.

Are you creating the search page directly on the server?

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


....more.....
I noticed when I looked at the code behind the Search page, on my site,
and on the server site, before I try a search, I find the following"
"<body>
<!--webbot bot="Search" S-Index="All" S-Fields="TimeStamp,DocumentK,Weight"
S-Text="Search for:" I-Size="20" S-Submit="Start Search" S-Clear="Reset"
S-TimestampFormat="%m/%d/%Y %H:%M" TAG="BODY" b-useindexserver="0"
--></body></html>"

Does 'b=useindexserver...' mean that it is looking for Index Server
functions on the Linux server rather than the WAIS functions that you
mentioned?
Is this something that is left over from when this was a site on a Windows
server,
or could it be an incorrect setting on the Linux server?

Yet when I look at the code in the "No documents found" reply, I find:
"<body>
<form action="_vti_bin/shtml.exe/etoolsearch.htm" method="POST"><input
type="hidden" name="VTI-GROUP" value="0"><p><b>Search for: </b><input
type="text" name="search" size="20" value="index"></p><p><input type="submit"
value="Start Search"><input type="reset" value="Reset"></p></form><p><b>No
documents found. Please try again.</b></p></body></html>"

with no mention of 'useindexserver'.

I'm way over my head here, but I am certain there's some mismatch here
that the goDaddy server setup team is missing. (I hope!)

Thanks again for your help.
--
vinceg


:

Sorry to ask such basic questions, and thank you for your patience.
I take from your last reply that if I create a search page in
www.anysite.com, it would be able to find documents, if the documents were in
that site, or in folders and subsites within that site
(www.anysite.com/anyfolder, or www.anysite.com/anysubsite).
Have you heard of any problems getting this working beyond my sorry tale?

--
vinceg


:

It is limited to the web site it is created in. The root web and each subweb/subsite is
independent
of each other.

There are no settings to set, other then GoDaddy having to set the extensions to use the
WAIS
search.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


Thanks for that info.
Is the WAIS Search sufficient to find documents on the root of the web, in
folders and in sub-webs?
Are there any settings I should tell my hosting provider (goDaddy) to help
them implement Search on a Linux/FP server?
The search test pages I put up still do not work, after all the trouble to
switch to a Linux site.
http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch.htm (built on the client and
published), and http://www.etoolonline.com/etoolsearch2.htm (built directly
on the server).
I've reinstalled FP Extensions several times since my last post, and have
also recalculated the hyperlinks on the site.
I appreciate the information, and the help.
Thanks
--
vinceg


:

FYI: The FP search that is used on Unix/Linux is the WAIS Search, which is different and
less
powerful then Index Server, which is a option under Windows Server.

Info about WAIS
http://www.searchtools.com/tools/wais.html
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


Thanks.
I have begun the search for other hosting providers,
but since I have so many accounts at goDaddy,
I've also opened a Linux FP accunt to test Search.
--
vinceg


:

You have to check with each web host to see what features they support.

Some features are only available on Unix/Linux as well as some features are only
available on
Windows.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================


I called doDaddy with the info in your last post,
and their response is that "...we don't support
search on Windows servers, but we do on Linus servers.."
Their rationale was that the Windows servers were
more prone to security issues than Linux.
They will not offer any other choice.
Are you aware of other hosting providers that provide
the full range of support for FrontPage?
--
vinceg


:

Going by the FPextensions version number
FPVersion="5.0.2.6738" from http://www.vinceg.com/_vti_inf.html ,
you are on a Windows 2003 server. Based on previous posts, GoDaddy does
not support the FP search component on Windows 2003.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





Ronx,
I 'recalculated hyperlinks' on the site, and that did not fix the problem.
I created a new page directly on the server,
http://www.vinceg.com/vag_search_3.htm,
and the page that was returned had one line at the top:
"[FrontPage Search Component]" but did not have the
search form or any components (text box, buttons, etc.)
Could this indicate corrupt or out-of-date FP extensions?
My next step is to ask goDaddy to reinstall FP extensions
but I did that before my original post.
Thanks again,
--
vinceg


:

nortbots.htm only appears in five cases:

1) You are testing on a disc-based website, including a FrontPage
disc-based web that is being browsed through a web-server.

2) You are testing on a website that does not have server extensions
installed or running.

3) The site (or form page) was FTPed from a disc-based web, or
published using a FTP address for the destination, or published to a
file system destination including a network share or UNC address (like
\\machinename\path\webname), or to an address like C:\sitename .
Publish must be to a URL of the form http://example.com

4) The site was correctly published, but the extensions were not
installed correctly or were mis-configured. Re-installing the
extensions may correct the problem.

5) There is a bug associated with FrontPage98 which causes this
problem.


In your case, either 4 applies, or it sounds like you FTPed the page.
Try opening the remote web and running Tools->Recalculate Hyperlinks.
Or remove the form and redo it on the server (remote web).
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp

FrontPage Support: http://www.frontpagemvps.com/





I created a page with a web search form and published it.
http://www.vinceg.com/vagsearch.htm

When I enter search terms, I get a 'Page not found'
The page that couldn't be found is:
http://www.vinceg.com/_derived/nortbots.htm.

I've seen info on this problem, and tried editing the
code on the server, but no success.

Thanks for any info on this (old?) problem.
 
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