FrontPage Soon to Be Orphaned By Microsoft?

U

Uncle Joe

Two weeks ago, I signed up for a 2mhost.com hosting service. As part
of the
online order, I entered my preferred domain of "politicalblogs.com"
The hosting service's sign-up displayed the message that my preferred
domain
name was available, and asked if I wanted it? I replied yes. I was
then informed
that the domain name was mine. I neglected to notice one small feature
of the sign-up process, and that was that the hosting service would
register my domain for a fee of $8.00. I didn't click on it.
Everything went through
fine.

I got a welcome letter stating that I had to personally transfer my
domain to their
two servers. That's when I learned that my domain wasn't mine, that it
had
been registered by an outfit known as Names4ever.com.com.com. To
further compound the problem, a woman in CA was listed as the
registrar of my domain. Names4ever.com says it can't give me the
account and password to transfer the domain without the permission
and cooperation of the registrar. To this day, I don't understand how
I
lost control of the domain. The CEO of 2mhost.com wrote me and said
this is my fault for not clciking on the $8.00 option for them to
register
my domain. His solutionn was for me to invent another domain name.

I've written her twice without response on her part. She wound up
having
my politicalblogs.com domain handed to her on a silver platter. I've
filed
a grievance with Icann, the registry people. The domain name is
absolutely
perfect for what I want accomplish.

So, there are various ways to steal domains.

Jon Spivey said:
Can you spell out how someone could steal a doman name? If a
politician is trying to steal ( as in dishonest) you could kick up a
hell of a stink. Depending on your goals you could call the
politician and explain that you don't think it's not very nice for
somebody trying to be elected to "steal" something, he'd probably
get the point. Or you could call your local paper and say this
politician is trying to steal something from me - that would make a
good story

--
Cheers,
Jon
Microsoft MVP


clintonG said:
These kinds of announcements [1] always cause speculation because
it is interesting to note that Microsoft consistently fails to
provide customers and developers with a 'road map' that in this
context explains how FrontPage will or will not play a role in the
emerging consolidation of the design-development paradigm.

I've always contended that FrontPage should have been integrated
with Visual Studio from day one but they implemented a crippled
'designer' instead. Now it is clear there is an entirely different
strategy.

As a personal note, if I can survive the attempts by local
politicians to steal my domain name and drive me out of business I
will be looking forward to working with the new paradigm. If the
politicians succeed I will be leaving web design and development.

<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://metromilwaukee.com/
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

[1]
http://www.ftponline.com/weblogger/forum.aspx?ID=3&DATE=09/14/2005&blog=#437
 
M

Mike Mueller

Jon,
The local democrat media monopoly will not report on any
democrat politician doing wrong, unless a big story is
there. You won't find a story on the fired provost from the
UW system who automatically gets another job in the UW
system and keeps his near $200k salary- and does not have to
do a thing for the next 6 months- after that he works
whatever hours he wants in 'research'. You don't see them
raising a stink on how they have kept property taxes down by
creating 'fees'- such as $150 a year for taking out the
trash

: Can you spell out how someone could steal a doman name? If
a politician is
: trying to steal ( as in dishonest) you could kick up a
hell of a stink.
: Depending on your goals you could call the politician and
explain that you
: don't think it's not very nice for somebody trying to be
elected to "steal"
: something, he'd probably get the point. Or you could call
your local paper
: and say this politician is trying to steal something from
me - that would
: make a good story
:
: --
: Cheers,
: Jon
: Microsoft MVP
:
:
: "clintonG" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
: : > These kinds of announcements [1] always cause
speculation because it is
: > interesting to note that Microsoft consistently fails to
provide customers
: > and developers with a 'road map' that in this context
explains how
: > FrontPage will or will not play a role in the emerging
consolidation of
: > the design-development paradigm.
: >
: > I've always contended that FrontPage should have been
integrated with
: > Visual Studio from day one but they implemented a
crippled 'designer'
: > instead. Now it is clear there is an entirely different
strategy.
: >
: > As a personal note, if I can survive the attempts by
local politicians to
: > steal my domain name and drive me out of business I will
be looking
: > forward to working with the new paradigm. If the
politicians succeed I
: > will be leaving web design and development.
: >
: > <%= Clinton Gallagher
: > METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information
Service"
: > NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
: > URL http://metromilwaukee.com/
: > URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
: >
: > [1]
: >
http://www.ftponline.com/weblogger/forum.aspx?ID=3&DATE=09/14/2005&blog=#437
: >
:
:
 
C

clintonG

Actually the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel has run some articles about
Wisconsin's corrupt universities but the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is
itself corrupt so there's not much that can be expected from them as it
seems 99.9% of all so-called journalists are corrupt.

I know for a fact that newspaper has a paid liar on staff who writes about
architectural and urban planning topics. She published false information
about architectural work I and others were involved in creating. One of my
own proposals and architectural drawings was taken and used to construct a
Band Shell on Milwaukee's River Walk before it was even called a River Walk.
Guess what the title on my proposal and drawings was?

I sent e-mail to newspaper staff and editors attempting to set the record
straight. No retraction was ever made. In fact nobody would even talk to me
about it.

<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://metromilwaukee.com/
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/


Mike Mueller said:
Jon,
The local democrat media monopoly will not report on any
democrat politician doing wrong, unless a big story is
there. You won't find a story on the fired provost from the
UW system who automatically gets another job in the UW
system and keeps his near $200k salary- and does not have to
do a thing for the next 6 months- after that he works
whatever hours he wants in 'research'. You don't see them
raising a stink on how they have kept property taxes down by
creating 'fees'- such as $150 a year for taking out the
trash

: Can you spell out how someone could steal a doman name? If
a politician is
: trying to steal ( as in dishonest) you could kick up a
hell of a stink.
: Depending on your goals you could call the politician and
explain that you
: don't think it's not very nice for somebody trying to be
elected to "steal"
: something, he'd probably get the point. Or you could call
your local paper
: and say this politician is trying to steal something from
me - that would
: make a good story
:
: --
: Cheers,
: Jon
: Microsoft MVP
:
:
: "clintonG" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
: : > These kinds of announcements [1] always cause
speculation because it is
: > interesting to note that Microsoft consistently fails to
provide customers
: > and developers with a 'road map' that in this context
explains how
: > FrontPage will or will not play a role in the emerging
consolidation of
: > the design-development paradigm.
: >
: > I've always contended that FrontPage should have been
integrated with
: > Visual Studio from day one but they implemented a
crippled 'designer'
: > instead. Now it is clear there is an entirely different
strategy.
: >
: > As a personal note, if I can survive the attempts by
local politicians to
: > steal my domain name and drive me out of business I will
be looking
: > forward to working with the new paradigm. If the
politicians succeed I
: > will be leaving web design and development.
: >
: > <%= Clinton Gallagher
: > METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information
Service"
: > NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
: > URL http://metromilwaukee.com/
: > URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
: >
: > [1]
: >
http://www.ftponline.com/weblogger/forum.aspx?ID=3&DATE=09/14/2005&blog=#437
: >
:
:
 
C

clintonG

<snip />

I used Whois at both Register.com and Network Solutions and discovered the
metromilwaukee.info TLD was available. I registered and used a credit card
to pay the fee to Register.com. Several days later Register.com reversed the
credit charge and took the domain name away. They claimed they made a
mistake. The same group who I am having problems with were given the .info
domain. Register.com offered me a discount for another domain name.

People should also be advised that the ICANN procedure itself is corrupt and
risky to become involved with. If not well informed of how to work with
their corrupt dispute resolution policy 'you' lose all rights to contine to
use the courts to seek redress. I think the main problem people have been
reporting is the apparent fact that somehow ICANN can require domain name
registrants to file a complaint in the courts within 10 days after ICANN
says 'tough beans' or the domain name registrant can no longer even use the
courts. I may have this incorrect but working with any of these government
agencies is very risky.

<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://metromilwaukee.com/
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
 
K

Kevin Spencer

Well, darn, dude, no wonder you're cranky!

I tend to try and avoid "Imperial entanglements." So far I've been fairly
lucky.

--

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
I'd rather be a hammer than a nail.
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

A federal mark is much stronger than a state mark.

Trademark and tradename/service mark while different are treated pretty much
the same.
I've been through it too, I was fortunate I won in mediation and didn't have
to take the infringers all the way through court...it's WAY expensive. The
lawyers make out ok..usually the guy with small pockets loses. The hardest
part is proving actual damages. Yah ok they stole my name and operated under
my name for 2 years...how do you prove actual damages...ok..you supoena
their accounting records and hire a team of CPAs to audit their
books...small case...30K+ for discovery and your not even it court
yet...ferget it.


..

| I've studied the legal doctrines and became well informed by lawyers after
| having my architectural works stolen and note for the most part, the same
| people and organizations are involved all over again. While I have learned
| that I would prevail, that situation has become impractical for me to
| proceed with a claim. Too much to explain at the moment but to explain...
|
| We can not copyright a domain name. In fact according to case law none of
us
| can claim to even own a domain name as it is simply leased from the
| registrars. Our only recourse in this context is the use of a registered
| trademark. Marks such as the SM and TM can be used to indicate intent but
| can not be defended until the mark is registered and then and only then
can
| the encircled R be used. Microsoft and CNN are registered trademarks. That
| is why those type of domain names are protected and domain name squatting
| was not allowed. No registered trademark? Fair game apparently as there is
| no other means of protection that applies to web enabled software
| applications that depend on the use of a domain name to access and
operate.
| There is something to be said about business patents but not for now okay?
|
| Finally, in part, its the Milwaukee city council (so to speak) that are
| involved as co-conspirators noting most of the politicians involved have
| almost certainly been informed and know about my efforts.I have the
| METROmilwaukee tradename registered with the State of Wisconsin and have
| paid fees to do so but note, a tradename is not a strong means of defense,
| in fact it is indefensible and is only one of several tactics used to
| establish usage and intent. Without question, I was first to use the mark
in
| commerce but I need a trademark and then I need to defend it. Most of us
at
| one time or another have confused tradenames and trademarks.
|
| So I don't think the antagonists can be held off using money. They are
| already talking in the local press about a $12 million budget they want to
| raise. Aside from strategies and tactics I simply can not discuss at this
| time it seems my defense must be conducted in the court of public opinion
| where the underhanded and unethical conduct of the antagonists proves
| sufficient to hang them with their own rope and yes, I think I should
start
| blogging on the web which in a sense is what we've been doing when using
| Usenet :)
|
| <%= Clinton Gallagher
|
| | > Well, registering domains that sound like another isn't illegal.
| > Not sure how copyright laws apply to domain names but you may have some
| > solid ground to stand on in that area.
| >
| > What would happen if someone tried to use microsoft.org or cnn.org??
| >
| > First thing I would do is renew your domain registration for 5 or 10
| > years, instead of doing
| > it a year at a time.
| > That way they know you plan on being around awhile.
| >
| > Then I think I'd consult with an attorney who specializes in copyright
| > issues, and at least
| > have a letter of intent sent to the Milwaukee city council.
| >
| >
| > --
| > Steve Easton
| > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > 95isalive
| > This site is best viewed............
| > .......................with a computer
| >
message
| > | >> One thing I learned early; never underestimate an adversary.
| >>
| >> Especially because the day those who are now conductring themselves as
| >> antagonists called me in to their office to negotiate some 'thing' as I
| >> was
| >> led to presume, the owner of a web development firm I now know to be a
| >> co-conspirator was registering almost every other TLD that was
available.
| >>
| >> What strategy may best be used to seek a supportive response from the
web
| >> community at large?
| >>
| >> <%= Clinton Gallagher
| >> METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service"
| >> NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
| >> URL http://metromilwaukee.com/
| >> URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> | >> > It sounds credible to me, Steve. Politics is mighty dirty business.
| >> >
| >> > --
| >> > Murray
| >> > ============
| >> >
| >> > | >> >>I took a look, and I think your issue is with an overzealous,
"legally
| >> >>uninformed" web
| >> >> designer,
| >> >> because from what I've seen the last few years I don't think there's
a
| >> >> politician
| >> >> intelligent enough to use a domain name for another website in a
page
| >> >> title.
| >> >>
| >> >> I would think a "nice informative letter" to the City Council would
| >> >> get
| >> >> it removed in a
| >> >> heartbeat.
| >> >>
| >> >> --
| >> >> Steve Easton
| >> >> Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| >> >> 95isalive
| >> >> This site is best viewed............
| >> >> .......................with a computer
| >> >>
| >> >> message
| >> >> | >> >>> Briefly, metro Milwaukee is a region in economic and cultural
| >> >>> decline.
| >> >>> The
| >> >>> politicians and so-called civic leaders who ruined the region over
| >> >>> the
| >> >>> past
| >> >>> several decades are like a cancer and are still in control. They
are
| >> >>> now
| >> >>> attempting to 'brand' the region as an economic powerhouse and have
| >> >>> announced they are going to use the web to do so.
| >> >>>
| >> >>> They want the metromilwaukee.com domain name and have been spoofing
| >> >>> the
| >> >>> search engines. Use any search engine, submit the term
| >> >>> "metromilwaukee"
| >> >>> and
| >> >>> you can observe how they are using the .com TLD in the page title
of
| >> >>> the
| >> >>> sites they control which enables them to cheat page rankings and
| >> >>> spoof
| >> >>> the
| >> >>> use of the .com TLD which I registered in 1997.
| >> >>
| >> >>
| >> >
| >> >
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|
 
C

clintonG

Exactly.

<%= Clinton Gallagher


Rob Giordano (Crash) said:
A federal mark is much stronger than a state mark.

Trademark and tradename/service mark while different are treated pretty
much
the same.
I've been through it too, I was fortunate I won in mediation and didn't
have
to take the infringers all the way through court...it's WAY expensive. The
lawyers make out ok..usually the guy with small pockets loses. The hardest
part is proving actual damages. Yah ok they stole my name and operated
under
my name for 2 years...how do you prove actual damages...ok..you supoena
their accounting records and hire a team of CPAs to audit their
books...small case...30K+ for discovery and your not even it court
yet...ferget it.


.

| I've studied the legal doctrines and became well informed by lawyers
after
| having my architectural works stolen and note for the most part, the
same
| people and organizations are involved all over again. While I have
learned
| that I would prevail, that situation has become impractical for me to
| proceed with a claim. Too much to explain at the moment but to
explain...
|
| We can not copyright a domain name. In fact according to case law none
of
us
| can claim to even own a domain name as it is simply leased from the
| registrars. Our only recourse in this context is the use of a registered
| trademark. Marks such as the SM and TM can be used to indicate intent
but
| can not be defended until the mark is registered and then and only then
can
| the encircled R be used. Microsoft and CNN are registered trademarks.
That
| is why those type of domain names are protected and domain name
squatting
| was not allowed. No registered trademark? Fair game apparently as there
is
| no other means of protection that applies to web enabled software
| applications that depend on the use of a domain name to access and
operate.
| There is something to be said about business patents but not for now
okay?
|
| Finally, in part, its the Milwaukee city council (so to speak) that are
| involved as co-conspirators noting most of the politicians involved have
| almost certainly been informed and know about my efforts.I have the
| METROmilwaukee tradename registered with the State of Wisconsin and have
| paid fees to do so but note, a tradename is not a strong means of
defense,
| in fact it is indefensible and is only one of several tactics used to
| establish usage and intent. Without question, I was first to use the
mark
in
| commerce but I need a trademark and then I need to defend it. Most of us
at
| one time or another have confused tradenames and trademarks.
|
| So I don't think the antagonists can be held off using money. They are
| already talking in the local press about a $12 million budget they want
to
| raise. Aside from strategies and tactics I simply can not discuss at
this
| time it seems my defense must be conducted in the court of public
opinion
| where the underhanded and unethical conduct of the antagonists proves
| sufficient to hang them with their own rope and yes, I think I should
start
| blogging on the web which in a sense is what we've been doing when using
| Usenet :)
|
| <%= Clinton Gallagher
|
| | > Well, registering domains that sound like another isn't illegal.
| > Not sure how copyright laws apply to domain names but you may have
some
| > solid ground to stand on in that area.
| >
| > What would happen if someone tried to use microsoft.org or cnn.org??
| >
| > First thing I would do is renew your domain registration for 5 or 10
| > years, instead of doing
| > it a year at a time.
| > That way they know you plan on being around awhile.
| >
| > Then I think I'd consult with an attorney who specializes in copyright
| > issues, and at least
| > have a letter of intent sent to the Milwaukee city council.
| >
| >
| > --
| > Steve Easton
| > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > 95isalive
| > This site is best viewed............
| > .......................with a computer
| >
message
| > | >> One thing I learned early; never underestimate an adversary.
| >>
| >> Especially because the day those who are now conductring themselves
as
| >> antagonists called me in to their office to negotiate some 'thing' as
I
| >> was
| >> led to presume, the owner of a web development firm I now know to be
a
| >> co-conspirator was registering almost every other TLD that was
available.
| >>
| >> What strategy may best be used to seek a supportive response from the
web
| >> community at large?
| >>
| >> <%= Clinton Gallagher
| >> METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service"
| >> NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
| >> URL http://metromilwaukee.com/
| >> URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> | >> > It sounds credible to me, Steve. Politics is mighty dirty
business.
| >> >
| >> > --
| >> > Murray
| >> > ============
| >> >
| >> > | >> >>I took a look, and I think your issue is with an overzealous,
"legally
| >> >>uninformed" web
| >> >> designer,
| >> >> because from what I've seen the last few years I don't think
there's
a
| >> >> politician
| >> >> intelligent enough to use a domain name for another website in a
page
| >> >> title.
| >> >>
| >> >> I would think a "nice informative letter" to the City Council
would
| >> >> get
| >> >> it removed in a
| >> >> heartbeat.
| >> >>
| >> >> --
| >> >> Steve Easton
| >> >> Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| >> >> 95isalive
| >> >> This site is best viewed............
| >> >> .......................with a computer
| >> >>
| >> >> message
| >> >> | >> >>> Briefly, metro Milwaukee is a region in economic and cultural
| >> >>> decline.
| >> >>> The
| >> >>> politicians and so-called civic leaders who ruined the region
over
| >> >>> the
| >> >>> past
| >> >>> several decades are like a cancer and are still in control. They
are
| >> >>> now
| >> >>> attempting to 'brand' the region as an economic powerhouse and
have
| >> >>> announced they are going to use the web to do so.
| >> >>>
| >> >>> They want the metromilwaukee.com domain name and have been
spoofing
| >> >>> the
| >> >>> search engines. Use any search engine, submit the term
| >> >>> "metromilwaukee"
| >> >>> and
| >> >>> you can observe how they are using the .com TLD in the page title
of
| >> >>> the
| >> >>> sites they control which enables them to cheat page rankings and
| >> >>> spoof
| >> >>> the
| >> >>> use of the .com TLD which I registered in 1997.
| >> >>
| >> >>
| >> >
| >> >
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

not to mention the doctor bills from the stress and heart attack I thought i
was having.
still makes me sick when I think on it.



| Exactly.
|
| <%= Clinton Gallagher
|
|
| | >A federal mark is much stronger than a state mark.
| >
| > Trademark and tradename/service mark while different are treated pretty
| > much
| > the same.
| > I've been through it too, I was fortunate I won in mediation and didn't
| > have
| > to take the infringers all the way through court...it's WAY expensive.
The
| > lawyers make out ok..usually the guy with small pockets loses. The
hardest
| > part is proving actual damages. Yah ok they stole my name and operated
| > under
| > my name for 2 years...how do you prove actual damages...ok..you supoena
| > their accounting records and hire a team of CPAs to audit their
| > books...small case...30K+ for discovery and your not even it court
| > yet...ferget it.
| >
| >
| > .
| >
message
| > | > | I've studied the legal doctrines and became well informed by lawyers
| > after
| > | having my architectural works stolen and note for the most part, the
| > same
| > | people and organizations are involved all over again. While I have
| > learned
| > | that I would prevail, that situation has become impractical for me to
| > | proceed with a claim. Too much to explain at the moment but to
| > explain...
| > |
| > | We can not copyright a domain name. In fact according to case law none
| > of
| > us
| > | can claim to even own a domain name as it is simply leased from the
| > | registrars. Our only recourse in this context is the use of a
registered
| > | trademark. Marks such as the SM and TM can be used to indicate intent
| > but
| > | can not be defended until the mark is registered and then and only
then
| > can
| > | the encircled R be used. Microsoft and CNN are registered trademarks.
| > That
| > | is why those type of domain names are protected and domain name
| > squatting
| > | was not allowed. No registered trademark? Fair game apparently as
there
| > is
| > | no other means of protection that applies to web enabled software
| > | applications that depend on the use of a domain name to access and
| > operate.
| > | There is something to be said about business patents but not for now
| > okay?
| > |
| > | Finally, in part, its the Milwaukee city council (so to speak) that
are
| > | involved as co-conspirators noting most of the politicians involved
have
| > | almost certainly been informed and know about my efforts.I have the
| > | METROmilwaukee tradename registered with the State of Wisconsin and
have
| > | paid fees to do so but note, a tradename is not a strong means of
| > defense,
| > | in fact it is indefensible and is only one of several tactics used to
| > | establish usage and intent. Without question, I was first to use the
| > mark
| > in
| > | commerce but I need a trademark and then I need to defend it. Most of
us
| > at
| > | one time or another have confused tradenames and trademarks.
| > |
| > | So I don't think the antagonists can be held off using money. They are
| > | already talking in the local press about a $12 million budget they
want
| > to
| > | raise. Aside from strategies and tactics I simply can not discuss at
| > this
| > | time it seems my defense must be conducted in the court of public
| > opinion
| > | where the underhanded and unethical conduct of the antagonists proves
| > | sufficient to hang them with their own rope and yes, I think I should
| > start
| > | blogging on the web which in a sense is what we've been doing when
using
| > | Usenet :)
| > |
| > | <%= Clinton Gallagher
| > |
| > | | > | > Well, registering domains that sound like another isn't illegal.
| > | > Not sure how copyright laws apply to domain names but you may have
| > some
| > | > solid ground to stand on in that area.
| > | >
| > | > What would happen if someone tried to use microsoft.org or cnn.org??
| > | >
| > | > First thing I would do is renew your domain registration for 5 or 10
| > | > years, instead of doing
| > | > it a year at a time.
| > | > That way they know you plan on being around awhile.
| > | >
| > | > Then I think I'd consult with an attorney who specializes in
copyright
| > | > issues, and at least
| > | > have a letter of intent sent to the Milwaukee city council.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > Steve Easton
| > | > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > | > 95isalive
| > | > This site is best viewed............
| > | > .......................with a computer
| > | >
| > message
| > | > | > | >> One thing I learned early; never underestimate an adversary.
| > | >>
| > | >> Especially because the day those who are now conductring themselves
| > as
| > | >> antagonists called me in to their office to negotiate some 'thing'
as
| > I
| > | >> was
| > | >> led to presume, the owner of a web development firm I now know to
be
| > a
| > | >> co-conspirator was registering almost every other TLD that was
| > available.
| > | >>
| > | >> What strategy may best be used to seek a supportive response from
the
| > web
| > | >> community at large?
| > | >>
| > | >> <%= Clinton Gallagher
| > | >> METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service"
| > | >> NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
| > | >> URL http://metromilwaukee.com/
| > | >> URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >> | > | >> > It sounds credible to me, Steve. Politics is mighty dirty
| > business.
| > | >> >
| > | >> > --
| > | >> > Murray
| > | >> > ============
| > | >> >
| > | >> > | > | >> >>I took a look, and I think your issue is with an overzealous,
| > "legally
| > | >> >>uninformed" web
| > | >> >> designer,
| > | >> >> because from what I've seen the last few years I don't think
| > there's
| > a
| > | >> >> politician
| > | >> >> intelligent enough to use a domain name for another website in a
| > page
| > | >> >> title.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> I would think a "nice informative letter" to the City Council
| > would
| > | >> >> get
| > | >> >> it removed in a
| > | >> >> heartbeat.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> --
| > | >> >> Steve Easton
| > | >> >> Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > | >> >> 95isalive
| > | >> >> This site is best viewed............
| > | >> >> .......................with a computer
| > | >> >>
in
| > | >> >> message
| > | >> >> | > | >> >>> Briefly, metro Milwaukee is a region in economic and cultural
| > | >> >>> decline.
| > | >> >>> The
| > | >> >>> politicians and so-called civic leaders who ruined the region
| > over
| > | >> >>> the
| > | >> >>> past
| > | >> >>> several decades are like a cancer and are still in control.
They
| > are
| > | >> >>> now
| > | >> >>> attempting to 'brand' the region as an economic powerhouse and
| > have
| > | >> >>> announced they are going to use the web to do so.
| > | >> >>>
| > | >> >>> They want the metromilwaukee.com domain name and have been
| > spoofing
| > | >> >>> the
| > | >> >>> search engines. Use any search engine, submit the term
| > | >> >>> "metromilwaukee"
| > | >> >>> and
| > | >> >>> you can observe how they are using the .com TLD in the page
title
| > of
| > | >> >>> the
| > | >> >>> sites they control which enables them to cheat page rankings
and
| > | >> >>> spoof
| > | >> >>> the
| > | >> >>> use of the .com TLD which I registered in 1997.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >
| > | >> >
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
C

clintonG

The whole domain assignment and management process has been a racket right
from day one. I haven't mentioned another issue related to the same
metromilwaukee.com domain. When I first registered the domain I soon learned
I was not the registrant after all. The domain was hijacked by a child
molester pervert I mistakenly chose as my first hosting provider because he
was a well known faculty member of the Milwaukee School Of Engineering
(MSOE) so he was credible right?

WRONG!

The pervert registered the domain in his name and then got sent to prison.
It took me over a year to chase the pervert through the prison system to get
him to sign a transfer. It actually took two separate attempts as the idiots
at Network Solutions gave me incorrect instructions how to do so the first
time and rejected the first attempt to transfer the domain. In those days
1997-1998 the policies were not clearly documented and Network Solutions did
what they wanted, to whom they wanted, whenever they wanted. Then to make
matters worse the sh!theads in the State of Wisconsin prison system refused
to provide a notary to the pervert as Network Solutions demanded the
transfer documents be notarized.


<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://metromilwaukee.com/
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

SHEESH!

So an incarcerated felon can have control of a domain.


| The whole domain assignment and management process has been a racket right
| from day one. I haven't mentioned another issue related to the same
| metromilwaukee.com domain. When I first registered the domain I soon
learned
| I was not the registrant after all. The domain was hijacked by a child
| molester pervert I mistakenly chose as my first hosting provider because
he
| was a well known faculty member of the Milwaukee School Of Engineering
| (MSOE) so he was credible right?
|
| WRONG!
|
| The pervert registered the domain in his name and then got sent to prison.
| It took me over a year to chase the pervert through the prison system to
get
| him to sign a transfer. It actually took two separate attempts as the
idiots
| at Network Solutions gave me incorrect instructions how to do so the first
| time and rejected the first attempt to transfer the domain. In those days
| 1997-1998 the policies were not clearly documented and Network Solutions
did
| what they wanted, to whom they wanted, whenever they wanted. Then to make
| matters worse the sh!theads in the State of Wisconsin prison system
refused
| to provide a notary to the pervert as Network Solutions demanded the
| transfer documents be notarized.
|
|
| <%= Clinton Gallagher
| METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service"
| NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
| URL http://metromilwaukee.com/
| URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
|
|
| | > not to mention the doctor bills from the stress and heart attack I
thought
| > i
| > was having.
| > still makes me sick when I think on it.
| >
| >
| >
message
| > | > | Exactly.
| > |
| > | <%= Clinton Gallagher
| > |
| > |
| > message
| > | | > | >A federal mark is much stronger than a state mark.
| > | >
| > | > Trademark and tradename/service mark while different are treated
| > pretty
| > | > much
| > | > the same.
| > | > I've been through it too, I was fortunate I won in mediation and
| > didn't
| > | > have
| > | > to take the infringers all the way through court...it's WAY
expensive.
| > The
| > | > lawyers make out ok..usually the guy with small pockets loses. The
| > hardest
| > | > part is proving actual damages. Yah ok they stole my name and
operated
| > | > under
| > | > my name for 2 years...how do you prove actual damages...ok..you
| > supoena
| > | > their accounting records and hire a team of CPAs to audit their
| > | > books...small case...30K+ for discovery and your not even it court
| > | > yet...ferget it.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > .
| > | >
| > message
| > | > | > | > | I've studied the legal doctrines and became well informed by
lawyers
| > | > after
| > | > | having my architectural works stolen and note for the most part,
the
| > | > same
| > | > | people and organizations are involved all over again. While I have
| > | > learned
| > | > | that I would prevail, that situation has become impractical for me
| > to
| > | > | proceed with a claim. Too much to explain at the moment but to
| > | > explain...
| > | > |
| > | > | We can not copyright a domain name. In fact according to case law
| > none
| > | > of
| > | > us
| > | > | can claim to even own a domain name as it is simply leased from
the
| > | > | registrars. Our only recourse in this context is the use of a
| > registered
| > | > | trademark. Marks such as the SM and TM can be used to indicate
| > intent
| > | > but
| > | > | can not be defended until the mark is registered and then and only
| > then
| > | > can
| > | > | the encircled R be used. Microsoft and CNN are registered
| > trademarks.
| > | > That
| > | > | is why those type of domain names are protected and domain name
| > | > squatting
| > | > | was not allowed. No registered trademark? Fair game apparently as
| > there
| > | > is
| > | > | no other means of protection that applies to web enabled software
| > | > | applications that depend on the use of a domain name to access and
| > | > operate.
| > | > | There is something to be said about business patents but not for
now
| > | > okay?
| > | > |
| > | > | Finally, in part, its the Milwaukee city council (so to speak)
that
| > are
| > | > | involved as co-conspirators noting most of the politicians
involved
| > have
| > | > | almost certainly been informed and know about my efforts.I have
the
| > | > | METROmilwaukee tradename registered with the State of Wisconsin
and
| > have
| > | > | paid fees to do so but note, a tradename is not a strong means of
| > | > defense,
| > | > | in fact it is indefensible and is only one of several tactics
used
| > to
| > | > | establish usage and intent. Without question, I was first to use
the
| > | > mark
| > | > in
| > | > | commerce but I need a trademark and then I need to defend it. Most
| > of
| > us
| > | > at
| > | > | one time or another have confused tradenames and trademarks.
| > | > |
| > | > | So I don't think the antagonists can be held off using money. They
| > are
| > | > | already talking in the local press about a $12 million budget they
| > want
| > | > to
| > | > | raise. Aside from strategies and tactics I simply can not discuss
at
| > | > this
| > | > | time it seems my defense must be conducted in the court of public
| > | > opinion
| > | > | where the underhanded and unethical conduct of the antagonists
| > proves
| > | > | sufficient to hang them with their own rope and yes, I think I
| > should
| > | > start
| > | > | blogging on the web which in a sense is what we've been doing when
| > using
| > | > | Usenet :)
| > | > |
| > | > | <%= Clinton Gallagher
| > | > |
| > | > | | > | > | > Well, registering domains that sound like another isn't illegal.
| > | > | > Not sure how copyright laws apply to domain names but you may
have
| > | > some
| > | > | > solid ground to stand on in that area.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > What would happen if someone tried to use microsoft.org or
| > cnn.org??
| > | > | >
| > | > | > First thing I would do is renew your domain registration for 5
or
| > 10
| > | > | > years, instead of doing
| > | > | > it a year at a time.
| > | > | > That way they know you plan on being around awhile.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Then I think I'd consult with an attorney who specializes in
| > copyright
| > | > | > issues, and at least
| > | > | > have a letter of intent sent to the Milwaukee city council.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > Steve Easton
| > | > | > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > | > | > 95isalive
| > | > | > This site is best viewed............
| > | > | > .......................with a computer
| > | > | >
in
| > | > message
| > | > | > | > | > | >> One thing I learned early; never underestimate an adversary.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> Especially because the day those who are now conductring
| > themselves
| > | > as
| > | > | >> antagonists called me in to their office to negotiate some
| > 'thing'
| > as
| > | > I
| > | > | >> was
| > | > | >> led to presume, the owner of a web development firm I now know
to
| > be
| > | > a
| > | > | >> co-conspirator was registering almost every other TLD that was
| > | > available.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> What strategy may best be used to seek a supportive response
from
| > the
| > | > web
| > | > | >> community at large?
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> <%= Clinton Gallagher
| > | > | >> METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service"
| > | > | >> NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
| > | > | >> URL http://metromilwaukee.com/
| > | > | >> URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> | > | > | >> > It sounds credible to me, Steve. Politics is mighty dirty
| > | > business.
| > | > | >> >
| > | > | >> > --
| > | > | >> > Murray
| > | > | >> > ============
| > | > | >> >
| > | > | >> > | > | > | >> >>I took a look, and I think your issue is with an overzealous,
| > | > "legally
| > | > | >> >>uninformed" web
| > | > | >> >> designer,
| > | > | >> >> because from what I've seen the last few years I don't think
| > | > there's
| > | > a
| > | > | >> >> politician
| > | > | >> >> intelligent enough to use a domain name for another website
in
| > a
| > | > page
| > | > | >> >> title.
| > | > | >> >>
| > | > | >> >> I would think a "nice informative letter" to the City
Council
| > | > would
| > | > | >> >> get
| > | > | >> >> it removed in a
| > | > | >> >> heartbeat.
| > | > | >> >>
| > | > | >> >> --
| > | > | >> >> Steve Easton
| > | > | >> >> Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > | > | >> >> 95isalive
| > | > | >> >> This site is best viewed............
| > | > | >> >> .......................with a computer
| > | > | >> >>
| > | > | >> >> "clintonG" <[email protected]>
| > wrote
| > in
| > | > | >> >> message
| > | > | >> >> | > | > | >> >>> Briefly, metro Milwaukee is a region in economic and
cultural
| > | > | >> >>> decline.
| > | > | >> >>> The
| > | > | >> >>> politicians and so-called civic leaders who ruined the
region
| > | > over
| > | > | >> >>> the
| > | > | >> >>> past
| > | > | >> >>> several decades are like a cancer and are still in control.
| > They
| > | > are
| > | > | >> >>> now
| > | > | >> >>> attempting to 'brand' the region as an economic powerhouse
| > and
| > | > have
| > | > | >> >>> announced they are going to use the web to do so.
| > | > | >> >>>
| > | > | >> >>> They want the metromilwaukee.com domain name and have been
| > | > spoofing
| > | > | >> >>> the
| > | > | >> >>> search engines. Use any search engine, submit the term
| > | > | >> >>> "metromilwaukee"
| > | > | >> >>> and
| > | > | >> >>> you can observe how they are using the .com TLD in the page
| > title
| > | > of
| > | > | >> >>> the
| > | > | >> >>> sites they control which enables them to cheat page
rankings
| > and
| > | > | >> >>> spoof
| > | > | >> >>> the
| > | > | >> >>> use of the .com TLD which I registered in 1997.
| > | > | >> >>
| > | > | >> >>
| > | > | >> >
| > | > | >> >
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
C

clintonG

Anybody can control the registration of a domain presumably as long as the
registration fee is paid and the registration goes unchallenged by a
trademark owner for example. I don't neccessarily think a person convicted
of a crime should lose posession of anything other than that which he or she
may have misused to commit a crime.

<%= Clinton Gallagher
 

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