Peter T said:
I looked at the most recent NNTP posts visible in WebNews.
Then I looked at the next few NNTP posts in my newsreader,
these are about 7 hours old and not yet visible in WedNews.
That's the basis on which I conclude there is currently a
6-8 hour delay.
Your observations may or may not be valid. Since you do not provide any
specifics, I really do not know what you are looking at, so I cannot vet
your statements.
Regardless, I believe it has nothing to do with the problem that I am
observing, unless you are talking about the same thing, but misinterpreting
your observations.
As I said before, the simplest problem statement is: messages posted using
the MSDG web interface are not readable using the MSDG web interface;
however, they are readable using other NG servers.
(For the most part, I use msnews.microsoft.com, which I call MSnews. But I
did spot-check Google Groups as well.)
I could speculate about the root cause; and I could speculate about how that
root cause explains why external postings (e.g. through the MSnews and
Google Groups servers) are also not readable using the MSDG web interface.
But I prefer to simply state the facts, and let IT personnel who are
knowledgable about the MSDG architecture figure out the root cause and
troubleshoot the problem.
Is it merely a delay of some sort? I doubt it; but we cannot know. I can
tell you now that it is much longer than the 6-8-hour delay that you say you
observed.
As of now (1:15am PST on Jan 10), almost 22 hours has elapsed since the
following message was posted at 3:20am PST on Jan 9 using the MSDG web
interface, and it is still not visible using the MSDG web interface; yet it
is readable using the MSnews and Google Groups servers.
From: =?Utf-8?B?R2FyeScncyBTdHVkZW50?=
<
[email protected]>
Subject: RE: SIMPLE CONCATENATE FUNCTION
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 03:20:01 -0800
Message-ID: <
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Newsgroups: microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions
Moreover, the following message, posted at 10:47pm PST on Jan 9 using the
MSDG web interface, is the latest one that I find on the MSnews and Google
Groups servers in the Excel NGs that I monitor. That demonstrates that the
MSDG systems are still pushing new postings to the MSnews server.
From: =?Utf-8?B?QXRvbSBPYWtz?= <
[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Need help creating macros
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 22:47:01 -0800
Message-ID: <
[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.excel.newusers
By the way, the following message, posted at 3:05am PST on Jan 9 using the
MSDG web interface, is the last one in those Excel NGs that __is__ readable
using the MSDG web interface as well as the MSnews server and Google Groups.
So I think we can say that the problem started some time between 3:05am and
3:20am PST on Jan 9.
From: =?Utf-8?B?RHJlYW0=?= <
[email protected]>
Subject: How to create a chart showing ranges of prices of different produc
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 03:06:01 -0800
Message-ID: <
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Newsgroups: microsoft.public.excel.misc
I looked at the most recent NNTP posts visible in WebNews. [....]
AFAIK there are only two types of postings, NNTP (newservers
and numerous web mirrors which in turn post NNTP) and via the
MS Webnews interface
Don't confuse the communication protocol with archives and user interfaces
(applications).
First, there are NG archives. I know of three archives for MS NGs: MSnews,
MSDG, and Google Groups. MSDG and GG push new articles that they store in
their archives to MSnews, and they pull new articles from MSnews.
So I would say that those are three sources ("types") of postings. And yes,
NNTP is the protocol used for the push to and pull from the MSnews server.
Then, there are user interfaces. I know of several: Outlook Express (and
Windows Mail), Outlook (I think), the MSDG web interface, and the GG web
interface. In the UNIX/Linux world, there is also tin and rtin.
OE and some other applications communicate directly with the MSnews server
using the NNTP protocol. It is anybody's guess how the MSDG and GG web
interfaces communicate with their respective NG archives.
But my point is: there is no reason why someone cannot provide a web
interface that (actually its web server) communicates directly with the
MSnews server using the NNTP protocol.
(Indeed, I don't know if thecodecage.com maintains its own NG archive, or if
it is simply a web interface to the MSnews server.)
That is why I take exception to the bogus distinction "NNTP posts" and
postings "via a web interface". Those are not two types of postings, much
less the "only two types".
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