Giving the best answers.


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E. T. Culling

I think it is imperative that those of us who often answer questions give
the "Best Practices" answer. ... Our answers need to be more complete then
they often are. If you reply to answer the same questions over and over
(because we are asked the same questions over and over and over again!!) why
not write a tutorial page to refer to as I have done for the questions about
photo galleries:
http://www.eleanorstravels.com/PhotoGalleryPrograms/index.htm
and using images with FP:
http://www.eleanorstravels.com/frontpage_images/index.htm
Ten Traps from Jim Buyens:
http://www.interlacken.com/winnt/tips/tipshow.aspx?tip=29
He has many more, as well. Go to his site!
Table solutions:
http://www.thepattysite.com/window_sizes1.cfm
http://www.dreamweaverresources.com/tutorials/tablesizes.htm
http://www.dwfaq.com/tutorials/Tables/flexible_tables2.asp
All three were written for Dreamweaver uses but everything applies for FP as
well.
If you want me to add your tutorial to my resources page I will be happy to
do so.

For example let us resolve not to encourage the use of Publisher (or
Photoshop, for that matter) for creating web pages. That's not a "Best
Practices" answer. Did anyone look at the code for this page (offered as an
example of a page made with Publisher:
http://shootfashion.tripod.com/Pricelists/PricelistPortrait.htm
Hundreds upon hundreds of lines of code. Absolutely absurd.

Who wants to write a quick tutorial for Irfanview ... often suggested as a
image editing program that's free.

Someone needs to write a definitive page for all who ask how to "protect"
their images. Then we all refer to that helping page ... just one source so
that we don't have to explain it over and over again.

We should always encourage the beginners to get a good book (Jim Buyens')
and to use the HELP files and even 'google it' to research answers they
need.

I'll bet you can tell that I taught school many years ago!! (Music, but
'once a teacher, always a teacher'.)

Thoughts... I'm very interested in your reaction to my suggestions.
Eleanor
 
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Steve Easton

<imho and not to insult anyone >

Because of the different levels of understanding among the different posters.
One problem with FAQ's is that the writer "assumes" that everyone who reads their
FAQ will automatically understand the terminology used to write the FAQ.

Unfortunately more often than not this is not the case, much like Help files
written by program developers.

fwiw, I usually try to tailor my answers based on how the poster has asked the question.
If the poster indicates they basically understand the procedure, but for some reason is
having trouble, that poster will receive an entirely different answer than someone who posts:
"I tried to use the insert "thingy" but my web page doesn't work.

FAQ's are ok to degree, but they aren't a cure all.
</imho>

Additionally, I don't think you'll find anyone in this news group advocating using Publisher,
but you sure are correct about the..... ahem.... html it creates.

And, as far as the FrontPage photo gallery issue. I have tried 7 ways to Sunday to break it and
cant do it.
I have created one in 2002, opened it at the same time in 2003 made changes and saved, reopened in
2002
switched back and forth, published both ways, and I honestly can not make it malfunction.

The key is: "always" place the images in a folder in the web "before" you start.

;-)


--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
........................with a computer
 
T

Tom Pepper Willett

Because not everyone wants to visit tutorial pages.

--
===
Tom "Pepper" Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
About FrontPage 2003:
http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
===
|I think it is imperative that those of us who often answer questions give
| the "Best Practices" answer. ... Our answers need to be more complete then
| they often are. If you reply to answer the same questions over and over
| (because we are asked the same questions over and over and over again!!)
why
| not write a tutorial page to refer to as I have done for the questions
about
| photo galleries:
| http://www.eleanorstravels.com/PhotoGalleryPrograms/index.htm
| and using images with FP:
| http://www.eleanorstravels.com/frontpage_images/index.htm
| Ten Traps from Jim Buyens:
| http://www.interlacken.com/winnt/tips/tipshow.aspx?tip=29
| He has many more, as well. Go to his site!
| Table solutions:
| http://www.thepattysite.com/window_sizes1.cfm
| http://www.dreamweaverresources.com/tutorials/tablesizes.htm
| http://www.dwfaq.com/tutorials/Tables/flexible_tables2.asp
| All three were written for Dreamweaver uses but everything applies for FP
as
| well.
| If you want me to add your tutorial to my resources page I will be happy
to
| do so.
|
| For example let us resolve not to encourage the use of Publisher (or
| Photoshop, for that matter) for creating web pages. That's not a "Best
| Practices" answer. Did anyone look at the code for this page (offered as
an
| example of a page made with Publisher:
| http://shootfashion.tripod.com/Pricelists/PricelistPortrait.htm
| Hundreds upon hundreds of lines of code. Absolutely absurd.
|
| Who wants to write a quick tutorial for Irfanview ... often suggested as a
| image editing program that's free.
|
| Someone needs to write a definitive page for all who ask how to "protect"
| their images. Then we all refer to that helping page ... just one source
so
| that we don't have to explain it over and over again.
|
| We should always encourage the beginners to get a good book (Jim Buyens')
| and to use the HELP files and even 'google it' to research answers they
| need.
|
| I'll bet you can tell that I taught school many years ago!! (Music, but
| 'once a teacher, always a teacher'.)
|
| Thoughts... I'm very interested in your reaction to my suggestions.
| Eleanor
|
|
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Since MS has made it possible to create a web site with Publisher, and the fact that the Publisher
web does use the FP extensions, we should not automatically reject helping these people. If a
person is just creating a brochure or newsletter type of site, Publisher is not a bad way to go,
plus the user may not own FrontPage or have the need to do more then what Publisher offers.

However when a Publisher user want to have complete control of their design, etc., they will have to
move to FrontPage.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
==============================================
If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
a Service Pack or security update, please contact
Microsoft Product Support Services:
http://support.microsoft.com
If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
==============================================
 
E

E. T. Culling

Well, if they choose not to, and the best information is in them then we
should not have to answer the questions ourselves. It's their lose! We
shouldn't cater to their needs if a tutorial is the best source of
information.
I get wonderful 'thank you' messages all the time ... often to my own e-mail
address.
Eleanor
 
S

Steve Easton

Hi ET
We all get emails.

The best info is the KB articles or the MSDN library. Unfortunately the answers
are sometimes hard to find.

Not knocking your tutorial, but something to keep in mind.
People post to a news group because they want a person to answer.
That's what makes "threads."
The same answer posted a different way often "lights" the light bulb.

For example, I have two versions of Visual Studio and 2 versions of the MSDN library
installed on my machine. I often post questions in the windows.api and / or
vb.general.discussion group if / when I'm stumped or can't make sense of what
I'm reading / researching in MSDN or on the web and can't see the forest for the trees.

Often a simple: "Ok Steve, think of it this way" lights the bulb.

But, in support of your idea, sometimes a link to an article written from another point of view
accomplishes the same thing.

I'm not against what you want to do, I'm just not convinced it's a "cure all."

;-)

--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
........................with a computer
 
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M

Murray

Having prowled forums where this has been done, I have to say it's a noble
idea that doesn't work well. There are too many new answers that need much
modification - it's just easier to answer it the first time in a way that
the reader will read. 8)
 
S

Stefan B Rusynko

Agree

IMHO
- many of the novice users that want a basic "catalog" web site would be better served using Publisher as a Web developer /
publisher (that is who it is intended for)
- and then asking for support in the Publisher newsgroups

As, and if, they learn more, or want to do more, they could migrate to FP
(painful transition w/ existing content from a Publisher generated site but worth it)




| Since MS has made it possible to create a web site with Publisher, and the fact that the Publisher
| web does use the FP extensions, we should not automatically reject helping these people. If a
| person is just creating a brochure or newsletter type of site, Publisher is not a bad way to go,
| plus the user may not own FrontPage or have the need to do more then what Publisher offers.
|
| However when a Publisher user want to have complete control of their design, etc., they will have to
| move to FrontPage.
|
| --
| ==============================================
| Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| ==============================================
| If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
| a Service Pack or security update, please contact
| Microsoft Product Support Services:
| http://support.microsoft.com
| If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
| security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
| ==============================================
|
| | >I think it is imperative that those of us who often answer questions give the "Best Practices"
| >answer. ... Our answers need to be more complete then they often are. If you reply to answer the
| >same questions over and over (because we are asked the same questions over and over and over
| >again!!) why not write a tutorial page to refer to as I have done for the questions about photo
| >galleries:
| > http://www.eleanorstravels.com/PhotoGalleryPrograms/index.htm
| > and using images with FP:
| > http://www.eleanorstravels.com/frontpage_images/index.htm
| > Ten Traps from Jim Buyens:
| > http://www.interlacken.com/winnt/tips/tipshow.aspx?tip=29
| > He has many more, as well. Go to his site!
| > Table solutions:
| > http://www.thepattysite.com/window_sizes1.cfm
| > http://www.dreamweaverresources.com/tutorials/tablesizes.htm
| > http://www.dwfaq.com/tutorials/Tables/flexible_tables2.asp
| > All three were written for Dreamweaver uses but everything applies for FP as well.
| > If you want me to add your tutorial to my resources page I will be happy to do so.
| >
| > For example let us resolve not to encourage the use of Publisher (or Photoshop, for that matter)
| > for creating web pages. That's not a "Best Practices" answer. Did anyone look at the code for this
| > page (offered as an example of a page made with Publisher:
| > http://shootfashion.tripod.com/Pricelists/PricelistPortrait.htm
| > Hundreds upon hundreds of lines of code. Absolutely absurd.
| >
| > Who wants to write a quick tutorial for Irfanview ... often suggested as a image editing program
| > that's free.
| >
| > Someone needs to write a definitive page for all who ask how to "protect" their images. Then we
| > all refer to that helping page ... just one source so that we don't have to explain it over and
| > over again.
| >
| > We should always encourage the beginners to get a good book (Jim Buyens') and to use the HELP
| > files and even 'google it' to research answers they need.
| >
| > I'll bet you can tell that I taught school many years ago!! (Music, but 'once a teacher, always a
| > teacher'.)
| >
| > Thoughts... I'm very interested in your reaction to my suggestions.
| > Eleanor
| >
|
|
 
K

Kevin Spencer

You taught school many years ago? Interesting. Did you simply give out
textbooks?

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
The sun never sets on
the Kingdom of Heaven
 
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Tom Pepper Willett

Troll alert. ;-)

| Always something so *positive* to say :)
|
| "Tom Pepper Willett" wrote:
|
| > Because not everyone wants to visit tutorial pages.
| >
| > --
| > ===
| > Tom "Pepper" Willett
| > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > ---
| > About FrontPage 2003:
| > http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
| > ===
| > | > |I think it is imperative that those of us who often answer questions
give
| > | the "Best Practices" answer. ... Our answers need to be more complete
then
| > | they often are. If you reply to answer the same questions over and
over
| > | (because we are asked the same questions over and over and over
again!!)
| > why
| > | not write a tutorial page to refer to as I have done for the questions
| > about
| > | photo galleries:
| > | http://www.eleanorstravels.com/PhotoGalleryPrograms/index.htm
| > | and using images with FP:
| > | http://www.eleanorstravels.com/frontpage_images/index.htm
| > | Ten Traps from Jim Buyens:
| > | http://www.interlacken.com/winnt/tips/tipshow.aspx?tip=29
| > | He has many more, as well. Go to his site!
| > | Table solutions:
| > | http://www.thepattysite.com/window_sizes1.cfm
| > | http://www.dreamweaverresources.com/tutorials/tablesizes.htm
| > | http://www.dwfaq.com/tutorials/Tables/flexible_tables2.asp
| > | All three were written for Dreamweaver uses but everything applies for
FP
| > as
| > | well.
| > | If you want me to add your tutorial to my resources page I will be
happy
| > to
| > | do so.
| > |
| > | For example let us resolve not to encourage the use of Publisher (or
| > | Photoshop, for that matter) for creating web pages. That's not a "Best
| > | Practices" answer. Did anyone look at the code for this page (offered
as
| > an
| > | example of a page made with Publisher:
| > | http://shootfashion.tripod.com/Pricelists/PricelistPortrait.htm
| > | Hundreds upon hundreds of lines of code. Absolutely absurd.
| > |
| > | Who wants to write a quick tutorial for Irfanview ... often suggested
as a
| > | image editing program that's free.
| > |
| > | Someone needs to write a definitive page for all who ask how to
"protect"
| > | their images. Then we all refer to that helping page ... just one
source
| > so
| > | that we don't have to explain it over and over again.
| > |
| > | We should always encourage the beginners to get a good book (Jim
Buyens')
| > | and to use the HELP files and even 'google it' to research answers
they
| > | need.
| > |
| > | I'll bet you can tell that I taught school many years ago!! (Music,
but
| > | 'once a teacher, always a teacher'.)
| > |
| > | Thoughts... I'm very interested in your reaction to my suggestions.
| > | Eleanor
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
| >
 
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