Grammar check impossible in french

[sthan]

Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)
Processor: Intel

New 2008 problem that did not exist with 2004

When launching a grammar check, after a few occurrences,
Word closes session.
I've known several users reporting the same problem in other languages.
Msoft support told me it was a bug, identified as such, and they worked on it.
Problem is Msoft support told me so in may 2008.

I made all updates, and run Leopard with all updates.
I have no problem whatsoever with any of the 60 + appps I use in my iMac (from Adobe, Apple, Phase One, Mozilla Firefox, etc.). No funny apps in my machine, only big numbers from big companies.

 

[John McGhie]

See my earlier answer to your other question...

I know there are issues with the French language still.

Have you tried Corentin's tip about re-saving the Custom Dictionary?

Cheers

Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)
Processor: Intel

New 2008 problem that did not exist with 2004

When launching a grammar check, after a few occurrences,
Word closes session.
I've known several users reporting the same problem in other languages.
Msoft support told me it was a bug, identified as such, and they worked on it.
Problem is Msoft support told me so in may 2008.

I made all updates, and run Leopard with all updates.
I have no problem whatsoever with any of the 60 + appps I use in my iMac (from
Adobe, Apple, Phase One, Mozilla Firefox, etc.). No funny apps in my machine,
only big numbers from big companies.

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Sydney, Australia. mailto:[email protected]

 

[sthan]

John,
I made another test.
I recreated one of my Word documents following instructions on Mactopia for corrupt doc (copying
without the last paragraph mark) and also recreated
normal.dotm.
Still the same crash of grammar check.
But I tested grammar check on another Word document, which is a document I created in december 2004 (meaning under Word 2004). With this document, grammar check apparently works.
I don't know what I should do of that…
Yours
Johan F.

 

[Phillip Jones, C.E.T.]

Try the following before doing anything else, try saving in DOC Format
not DOCX format the try using grammar check if works then report back.
Maybe the others will have a better clue on what's happening

 

[sthan]

Thank you, Phillip,
Usually, I save in .rtf, never in docx.
In .rtf, grammar check crashes after a fiew searches.
In .doc, it's even worse : it crashes instantly.
;-)))

 

[Phillip Jones, C.E.T.]

Try again in DOCX and report Back. If it crashes in everything then it
sounds like the Grammar checker is hosed. If not the document has a Problem.

 

[sthan]

I tried in every configuration, since a year…
A year ago, Msoft support told it would be fixed.
Typical Msfot answer.
When you Grammar check is hosed, you mean it's a bug ?

 

[John McGhie]

If you use any file format other than .docx, I can almost guarantee it won't
work ‹ in any language other than English

If you want stuff to work, you must use the native file format ‹ .doc is not
it

Cheers

Thank you, Phillip,
Usually, I save in .rtf, never in docx.
In .rtf, grammar check crashes after a fiew searches.
In .doc, it's even worse : it crashes instantly.
;-)))

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[John McGhie]

Of course it will be fixed. They just didn't say "when".

My guess is: Word 2010...

Cheers

I tried in every configuration, since a year…
A year ago, Msoft support told it would be fixed.
Typical Msfot answer.
When you Grammar check is hosed, you mean it's a bug ?

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[ScottH]

Have you tried adjusting the settings of the Grammar Checker? (Preferences->Spelling and Grammar->Settings...)

Do you happen to notice which sentence in your document the crash occurs at?

 

[sthan]

If you use any file format other than .docx, I can almost guarantee it won't

work � in any language other than English

If you want stuff to work, you must use the native file format � .doc is not
it

Cheers

John,

As said :
..docx : no grammar check in french
Msoft should at least advertise it as such, telling it won't work to its customers.

 

[sthan]

Meaning : I will have to pay to have a normal basic function of a word processor working…
Corny gag, isn't it ?

 

[sthan]

Have you tried adjusting the settings of the Grammar Checker? (Preferences->Spelling and Grammar->Settings...)

Do you happen to notice which sentence in your document the crash occurs at?

Hi,
Scott.
What do you mean by adjusting it ?
It propose to choose Grammar or Grammar + Style.
Then there is a listing of options.
Best
Johan

 

[ScottH]

Try unchecking some of the items in the list of options. (Changing from the writing style of "Grammaire" to "Grammaire et style" will just change the check/uncheck status of the list of options)

The basic operation of a grammar checker is that it will take a sentence and check it against a list of known errors. Therefore, if you are getting a crash it is most likely either related to the specific sentence (i.e. it can't figure out where the sentence stops) or it is a problem with attempting to match the sentence with a known error pattern.

When you start to disable items in the listing options you are reduce the number of error patterns that your sentence will be checked against. If the problem goes away when you disable one of these options then at least you will get a partially functioning grammar checker. (It would probably also help MS diagnose the issue and fix it in the future.)

 

[Corentin Cras-Méneur]

As said :
.docx : no grammar check in french
Msoft should at least advertise it as such, telling it won't work to its
customers.

I use it all the time. There is obvisouly something awfully wrong with
your setup. Is Office perfectly up to date?? Are you in 12.1.5??

I jsut made a test to confirm and it worked. No crash, Word flagged the
mistake I introduced on purpose (though it's not *extremely* powerful. I
misses some obvious mistakes).

In:
Le petit chemins qui sentait la noisette.
It properly flags the s in chemin and offers "Le petit chemin"

In:
Le petit chemin qui sentais la noisette.
It misses "sentais" (or "sentaient" if I try with it instead).

Obviously, it leaves a lot to be desired, but it "works".
No crash for me.


Corentin


PS: I tried all my mistakes in Antidote — which integrates in Word — and
it flagged them all and offered the proper corrections.
For a decent grammar checking in French, it might be worth considering
investing in a dedicated application.

 

[Corentin Cras-Méneur]

The basic operation of a grammar checker is that it will take a sentence
and check it against a list of known errors. Therefore, if you are
getting a crash it is most likely either related to the specific
sentence (i.e. it can't figure out where the sentence stops) or it is a
problem with attempting to match the sentence with a known error
pattern.

It's an interesting point. The document could be corrupted, or the
specific sentence could make Word crash. Very true.

In any case, I failed to get it to crash on my Mac,

Corentin

 

[sthan]

Dear Corentin,
We talked about that issue at lenth last year.
When I worked with 2004, I had none of these shortcomings.
I have all and every update for 2008.
I tried all solutions available in this page :
<http://word.mvps.org/mac/Diagnose.html>

Grammarcheck doesn't work in french for me since Day 1.
My machine is an iMac, new, and every other app I use in it work flawlessly (60 + different apps).
Yours
Johan

 

[sthan]

I also must say that this crash occurs with every documents, not with any doc in particular.

 

[John McGhie]

I really do understand that you are upset about this problem and that you
want to keep saying rude things about Microsoft. There are days when I feel
just the same! But currently, this is getting in the way of our trying to
help you.

As Corentin says, there is a problem on your system somewhere. If you can
approach this issue with patience and persistence, we may be able to find a
solution. If you just want to keep shouting, that's OK too, but in that
case, please tell us so we can stop trying to help you

Which version of the French language is marked on the text in which Word
crashes? Select each word in a sentence that causes a crash, and use
Tools>Language to see which language is highlighted. Word can switch
languages word-by-word. Be suspicious of any places where you had to change
keyboard to type a special character: that's when Word is likely to change
languages.

I have only an English copy of Word 2008, so I have only two choices:
French, and French Canadian. Some versions of Word will offer up to 15
choices for French:

French - France
French - Belgium
French - Cameroon
French - Canada
French - Democratic Rep. of Congo
French - Cote d'Ivoire
French - Haiti
French - Luxembourg
French - Monaco
French - Morocco
French - North Africa
French - Reunion
French - Senegal
French - Switzerland
French - West Indies

Likely sources of problem are:
* the Custom dictionary you are using,
* the User ID you are using,
* the Language you are using,
* the document you are using (tracked changes and special characters
particularly)
* the font you are using, and
* the keyboard you are using.

All of these have an effect on the "National Language" subsystem.

If you would like to zip up the crash log and send it to me, I can get the
developers to have a look: that would give us a better clue as to where the
issue may lie.

Hope this helps

I also must say that this crash occurs with every documents, not with any doc
in particular.

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[Latarnik]

Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)
Processor: Intel

New 2008 problem that did not exist with 2004

When launching a grammar check, after a few occurrences,
Word closes session.
I've known several users reporting the same problem in other languages.
Msoft support told me it was a bug, identified as such, and they worked on it.
Problem is Msoft support told me so in may 2008.

I made all updates, and run Leopard with all updates.
I have no problem whatsoever with any of the 60 + appps I use in my iMac (from Adobe, Apple, Phase One, Mozilla Firefox, etc.). No funny apps in my machine, only big numbers from big companies.

I can not get a grammar or spelling check, not just in French, but in
Polish (Merde)