Grant Robertson said:
That is one of my chief complaints about both versions of ON. The
highlighting and any notes you may write about a section of text
are just considered drawings that sit on the page with no
association to the text they were written over.
Exactly - at least if one uses "highlighter" pen.
That's how I had done it - just as I was used to from Acrobat.
Thanks to the last paragraph in your mail (see below - thank you so much
for pointing into the right direction<!!!>) I meanwhile detected that
there is another method of highlighting, i.e. marking a text and then
selecting the highlighting feature from the text toolbar.
It's the same way as it works in Word but it was not too obvious for me
:-( :-(
Anyway, this only works with *text*.
It does not work with things imported via the ON-printer.
And for the latter I would need it.
When you insert more text above the marked up section
all your markup is screwed up.
Exactly.
And the result is true nonsense.
This makes marking up text an entirely useless "feature."
100% d'accord.
And it's a shame.
It looks good in demos because they never move the text.
But the nature of notes on a computer is that they should
be editable without trashing all your previous work.
Otherwise, why use a computer at all?
LOL
But honestly speaking: It's one of the most serious shortcomings.
The "highlighter" pen is just useless.
And even worse:
If one has highlighted a document imported by printing and moves the
document (which is a quite normal operation [what good would the
containers be good for?]), the highlights now sitting in a wrong
position cannot even be moved because they are out of reach (fully
covered by the container). No way to get hold of them but moving away
the container until it totally frees the space where the highlights are
sitting.
Only then the focus can be given to the highlights. And as there is no
use in moving them (the container has to be moved back) one has to
delete them, then move the container back and thereafter create the
highlights anew. And the same ad nauseam if the container will be moved
again later. [grrrrh]
This IMO is the result of two things which IMHO are serious shortcomings
of the basic design; they also have very bad results when using ink:
1.) Although there can be different layers (containers placed on top of
each other, highlights, ink input), there is no way to give the focus to
a piece lying below another one;
2.) There is no way to *group* containers and other items (pictures,
highlights, ink) and by this treat them as a unit (as is usual in any
graphics program, PowerPoint and even Word).
Unless this will be changed in some later version (I do not think so as
the development process seems to be completed in as far as basic design
issues are concerned) I for one regard this as basic flaws and seriously
wrong design decisions.
Things like that can drive me up the wall ...
I assume that some of the issues you are having with ink input (your
postings on using Journal + ON 2003 + ON 2007; did not test that so far
as at present I'm concentrating on the way ON works on a desktop) are
related to the lack of these features too.
It's really bad.
I can easily annotate documents in Word on my tablet with my pen.
I would need the same feature in ON.
Nebbich.
As to your issue, it appears that you are using the pen to draw
highlighting over your text or to circle things using a
transparent pen color that looks like highlighting.
Exactly. This was what I had done. So far I had missed the highlight
button.
But in the case being the cause of my posting I could not have used
anything else as I had to highlight a part of imported material, not
text.
If you use
the text select tool then choose the highlight button on the
toolbar (usually just next to the font color button) you can
highlight text or handwriting. What it really does is change the
color of the background for those characters but at least it
sticks with the words when they move around.
Yes, it works this way.
But it's not as comfortable as it should be.
Marking the text first, then clicking the highlight button and doing
this agin and again for each part of text to be highlighted is far
inferior to a cursor behaving like a real-world highligther which can be
used for "painting" on several parts of a document uno actu.
Unfortunately, you can't use this to circle areas and you
have to have the words you want to highlight selected
before you click the button.
I'm with you in complaining on this!
Really poor.
Did no one check how these things are done in Acrobat??
Rainald
(who is very sad that ON in so far is so poor ... )
