How do I set up CSS with no HTML knowhow

[Upton Park]

I have no knowledge of HTML but use Frontpage 2003 to create websites for
friends and family as a hobby. I have become aware that I should be using CSS
for each of the sites but i am having real problems knowing how to start
coding. I have tried the tutorial but whilst explaining the concepts it
doesn't give any help about the coding side. Is there a simple non technical
solution?

 

[Murray]

You mean a way to learn and use CSS without learning CSS? No. If you want
to use the tool, you need to understand it. There's no shortcut for
that....

 

[Upton Park]

Murray

I am happy to try to learn it, but it is having a start point .... I am not
a techie so when a blank CSS template comes up in Frontpage, I don't know
where to begin.

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

Download a CSS template and mess around with it...
http://www.csszengarden.com



| Murray
|
| I am happy to try to learn it, but it is having a start point .... I am
not
| a techie so when a blank CSS template comes up in Frontpage, I don't know
| where to begin.
|
| "Murray" wrote:
|
| > You mean a way to learn and use CSS without learning CSS? No. If you
want
| > to use the tool, you need to understand it. There's no shortcut for
| > that....
| >
| > --
| > Murray
| > --------------
| > MVP FrontPage
| >
| >
| > | > >I have no knowledge of HTML but use Frontpage 2003 to create websites
for
| > > friends and family as a hobby. I have become aware that I should be
using
| > > CSS
| > > for each of the sites but i am having real problems knowing how to
start
| > > coding. I have tried the tutorial but whilst explaining the concepts
it
| > > doesn't give any help about the coding side. Is there a simple non
| > > technical
| > > solution?
| >
| >
| >

 

[Upton Park]

Rob

Thanks for the suggestion ... I had come to the same conclusion and I opened
up one of the Frontpage CSS style sheets (rather than the blank one) and I
have been changing different aspects and viewing the results .... it's a slow
process but hopefully I will get a better understanding of what is needed if
and when I go down the CSS route

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

There is no requirement that you have to use CSS, just that some developers prefer to use it.

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Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

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[Murray]

http://www.w3schools.com

Start there.

 

[Murray]

Well, it's a bit more than that. If you want to stay current with
developments in XHTML, you need to learn how to replace the deprecated parts
of HTML - the parts you need to use if you aren't using CSS. So, it's more
than just saying that some prefer to use it....

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

I have yet to find a reason where I have to use CSS....

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Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
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[couture57]

Doesn't a FrontPage Theme do the same thing a CSS does, if you use one
throughout the entire site?

 

[Upton Park]

I seem to have sparked an interesting debate. Articles that I have read
suggest that CSS is the route forward to ensure that websites can be viewed
on multiple platforms etc .... I am trying to ensure that my sites are
compliant from an accessibility point of view ... again, articles suggest
that CSS helps to meet the W3c standards ... I don't know the rights or
wrongs ... but I am having a go at seeing if I can use CSS to improve the
sites I develop. I will certainly take on board all comments received from
this posting and keep plugging away. Thanks for all your suggestions.

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

All my sites are viewable in the major browsers, without the use of CSS.

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[Thomas A. Rowe]

If it is one that is applied using CSS, then yes.

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[Keith Rishard]

Try searching on Yahoo, MSN Search or the other one, for Eric Meyer css -
truly one of the more inspiring ones - though there are others.

http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/complexspiral/demo.html

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[Keith Rishard]

Or, try an internet search for - 3 column liquid css - then download a
couple of css files that you like along with the attendant htm pages.

That should get you well started for a few months...

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[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

I think only if you choose the Apply CSS option in the Theme.


| Doesn't a FrontPage Theme do the same thing a CSS does, if you use one
| throughout the entire site?
|
| "Thomas A. Rowe" wrote:
|
| > I have yet to find a reason where I have to use CSS....
| >
| > --
| > ==============================================
| > Thomas A. Rowe
| > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| >
| > http://www.Ecom-Data.com
| > ==============================================
| >
| >
| > | > > Well, it's a bit more than that. If you want to stay current with
developments in XHTML, you need
| > > to learn how to replace the deprecated parts of HTML - the parts you
need to use if you aren't
| > > using CSS. So, it's more than just saying that some prefer to use
it....
| > >
| > > --
| > > Murray
| > > --------------
| > > MVP FrontPage
| > >
| > >
| > >> There is no requirement that you have to use CSS, just that some
developers prefer to use it.
| > >>
| > >> --
| > >> ==============================================
| > >> Thomas A. Rowe
| > >> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > >>
| > >> http://www.Ecom-Data.com
| > >> ==============================================
| > >>
| > >>
| > >> | > >>>I have no knowledge of HTML but use Frontpage 2003 to create websites
for
| > >>> friends and family as a hobby. I have become aware that I should be
using CSS
| > >>> for each of the sites but i am having real problems knowing how to
start
| > >>> coding. I have tried the tutorial but whilst explaining the concepts
it
| > >>> doesn't give any help about the coding side. Is there a simple non
technical
| > >>> solution?
| > >>
| > >>
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
| >

 

[Murray]

How about you want to use XSLT/XHTML?

How about you want to reduce the bandwidth requirements for your pages?

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

First, at this point in time I have no need to use XSLT/XHTML.

The bandwidth issue that I would be concerned with would not be solve by the use of CSS.

I am not saying that developers shouldn't use CSS, just that it is not a requirement to build a web
site, as many developers seem to think. CSS is just one of many methods/technologies available to be
used.


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Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
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[Thomas A. Rowe]

FYI: I do use CSS for a few things...

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