How to stop topposting?

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filesiteguy

I have been using outlook at work for some time now, and I just
realized how rude I've been by topposting all these years.

Anyway, I was looking through the options for Outlook (version 2002
10.4219 SP-2) on NT 5.1 and cannot find a place where I change the
location of the reply text to below the original text.

Under Tools/Options/E-mail options, I see where to indent/not indent
replies but not how to automatically put my reply below the original.

Ideas?
kai
www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org
g2004 at g3prod.cotse.net
 
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Roady [MVP]

You can't.

If fact I think bottom posting is rude especially with today's e-mail
culture which is reply on reply on reply.
Also bottom posting isn't much of a help to people fighting RSI.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
www.howto-outlook.com

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filesiteguy

You can't.
I can't eh? Hmm. Must be yet another bug in Outlook.
If fact I think bottom posting is rude especially with today's e-mail
culture which is reply on reply on reply.
Also bottom posting isn't much of a help to people fighting RSI.


Actually the reverse is true. I get into these chains of emails and am
having to go to the bottom anyway. I'd prefer (and it is naturally
better) to read the original text on top then read replies followed by
my reply.

Since we read left to right and top to bottom, that is how emails
should be formatted.




kai
www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org
g2004 at g3prod.cotse.net
 
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Brian Tillman

filesiteguy said:
I have been using outlook at work for some time now, and I just
realized how rude I've been by topposting all these years.

Anyway, I was looking through the options for Outlook (version 2002
10.4219 SP-2) on NT 5.1 and cannot find a place where I change the
location of the reply text to below the original text.

Outlook doesn't have such an option, but you can download and use the
freeware Outlook-Quotefix from
http://home.cs.tum.edu/~jain/dl.php?get=Outlook-QuoteFix
 
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Brian Tillman

Roady said:
If fact I think bottom posting is rude especially with today's e-mail
culture which is reply on reply on reply.

Sorry you have this (false) belief. <smile>
 
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Roady [MVP]

:) I'm getting sick and tired of scrolling all the time just to find out
were the reply starts; it's a waste of precious time

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
www.howto-outlook.com

Tips of the month:
-Navigation Pane Tips & Tricks
-Create an Office 2003 CD slipstreamed with Service Pack 1
 
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Roady [MVP]

Yes, but that is another thing with today's mailing culture; being dumped in
the chain of replies, it's not a nice way of transferring an issue to
someone like that.

For the top-bottom reading thing; why start a message with something you've
read before? Management talking; "Only present me the new and updated
information. The rest I know already or is outdated"

Scrolling around just to find the new part of the message is a big waste of
time if you ask me.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
www.howto-outlook.com

Tips of the month:
-Navigation Pane Tips & Tricks
-Create an Office 2003 CD slipstreamed with Service Pack 1

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filesiteguy

:) I'm getting sick and tired of scrolling all the time just to find out
were the reply starts; it's a waste of precious time

<sigh>

No it isn't. Scrolling to find the relevant item is actually better.
Next you'll tell me that COM+ is a good thing.

From: http://www.river.com/users/share/etiquette/

You might also want to check:
http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?toppost

<quote>
When you quote, you're doing it to provide context. Requiring your
readers to scroll down and then back, repeatedly (as they attempt to
figure out what the heck you're talking about), is a rather difficult
way for you to make the context available. Providing the context
up-front will get you better results.

There's no way to build a threaded discussion with top-posting.
Top-posting severely inhibits others from understanding the
conversation, because the context of the conversation is out of order,
as in broken.

It is far easier for your recipients to follow the ongoing
conversation in a message that uses quotes in-line like this:
Quote of one point

Your response
Quote of another point

Your response to the second point

than it is for your readers to follow along if you use top-posting
like this (thanks to Adam Brower by way of Patricia Shaffer):

Oh! Now it makes sense to me. Okay! No more
top-posting for me!
It's annoying because it reverses the normal
order of conversation. In fact, many people
ignore top-posted messages.

or as in this very touching example (from Clifton Sharp):

"I'll see you at Linda's wedding."
"Well, see ya soon."
"Congratulations!"
"Ten thousand a year."
"How much?"
"Got a really big raise this time."
"Sorry to hear it. How's the job?"
"She's not feeling well. Flu, I think."
"Same as ever. How's yours?"
"How's your wife?"
"They painted her purple. They should call her the Prune Fart
now."
"Good. Did you hear what Martin and Sheila did to the Sea
Breeze?"
"Good, and you?"
"Bill! How the heck are you?"

Top-posting makes your message incomprehensible to many of your
readers. In normal conversation, after all, you don't answer to
something that has not yet been said. Replying at the top confuses
your readers, making any point you're trying to get across very
unclear without them scrolling down and back repeatedly, searching to
re-integrate context. That extra, wholly unnecessary work leads to
reader irritation, or worse, to readers just not bothering with your
words at all.

Since your object is to get your message across, help your readers
follow by placing your words in context, not prior to the context.
Doing otherwise, forcing your readers to go to extra work
unnecessarily, is often irritating, sometimes interpreted as
insulting, or in severe cases taken as attempt by you to show your
"power". Any way you cut that, delivering your words in an hard to
read manner doesn't help your case. Instead, post in-line to preserve
context and respect your readers.
</quote>
kai
www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org
g2004 at g3prod.cotse.net
 
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