Is there an equivalent for Dreamweaver's library items on Frontpa.

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tinawoman

On Dreamweaver MX, which I am moving away from as I now prefer
Frontpage...there is an option called library items where you can specify a
section of a page that applies to just the pages you specify. I use this for
a "quick links" section that changes depending on what section of my site you
are in...so if you are on a "Books" page, the quick links is a table on the
right that shows all the pages in the books section. And if I add a page, its
easy to do..I just open the library item and edit it and choose save and it
saves for all the books pages instead of me having to go in and edit each
page with the new link.

I'm looking and looking to try to find the equivalent on frontpage...so far
shared borders is as close as i can find...but it doesn't look like that
allows me to choose where in my page to put the border...only puts it on top,
right, left or bottom and doesn't allow me to resize?
Anyone have any ideas for me? Or is this just something I'm going to have to
rethink my formatting on?

You can see how I use this feature on my site: www.fresnofamily.com

Thanks in advance!
 
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Tom Pepper Willett

Many of us use the include page feature.
Some use shared borders.

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| On Dreamweaver MX, which I am moving away from as I now prefer
| Frontpage...there is an option called library items where you can specify
a
| section of a page that applies to just the pages you specify. I use this
for
| a "quick links" section that changes depending on what section of my site
you
| are in...so if you are on a "Books" page, the quick links is a table on
the
| right that shows all the pages in the books section. And if I add a page,
its
| easy to do..I just open the library item and edit it and choose save and
it
| saves for all the books pages instead of me having to go in and edit each
| page with the new link.
|
| I'm looking and looking to try to find the equivalent on frontpage...so
far
| shared borders is as close as i can find...but it doesn't look like that
| allows me to choose where in my page to put the border...only puts it on
top,
| right, left or bottom and doesn't allow me to resize?
| Anyone have any ideas for me? Or is this just something I'm going to have
to
| rethink my formatting on?
|
| You can see how I use this feature on my site: www.fresnofamily.com
|
| Thanks in advance!
 
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Teri Carnright

Yes, in FrontPage, these are known as "included content". Make a standalone
page and place on that page the links you want to include on several pages
(or anything else for that matter). Then save the page anywhere, tho most
prefer to save included content pages in a new directory made simply to store
them.

Then, on the page itself, where you want the content to appear (generally in
a table cell), go to Insert>Web Component>Included Content>Page - and browse
to your newly created page.

You may make as many included content pages as you wish!

Teri
:)
 
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Murray

Includes are much more sensible than Library items in alot of ways - most
importantly they are RUN-TIME elements, not DESIGN-TIME elements. When you
change a library item in Dreamweaver, your changes are reflected only in
LOCAL files which must then be uploaded to the server. When you change an
include (which you can use in any authoring system - not just FP), you would
only need to upload the changed include file.
 
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Jon Spivey

We need to distinguish between FP includes, which are similar to DW library
items, in as much as they are design time - ie they're included when you
save the page (design time). Server side includes are run time - ie they're
included when the page is requested. I always use server side includes
(actually asp.net user controls but the same principle) for the reasons you
mention.
 
C

Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage

it'll fool you since you can right click the included file and publish just
that one. if the server has FrontPage extensions it'll re-write the content
into all pages that call it, giving the impression of sss.

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T

tinamama

Teri Carnright said:
Yes, in FrontPage, these are known as "included content". Make a standalone
page and place on that page the links you want to include on several pages
(or anything else for that matter). Then save the page anywhere, tho most
prefer to save included content pages in a new directory made simply to store
them.

Then, on the page itself, where you want the content to appear (generally in
a table cell), go to Insert>Web Component>Included Content>Page - and browse
to your newly created page.

You may make as many included content pages as you wish!

Teri
:)
Click to expand...

is this the same thing as the page within page that i just read about on the
frontpage tutorials on microsoft's site? this sounds the same but the name is
different.

and i am familiar with the concept of server side includes, but had no idea
how to create them...so this is what you are talking about?

tina
 
T

tinamama

i have no idea what sss stands for. :(

i need the dummies, hand-holding, walk me through the basic explanation
versions...lol. sorry! :)


tina
 
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tinamama

ok you guys just lost me...murray says they are run-time, and you say they
are design time....both of these terms are brand new to me...but i'm mostly
understanding the concept...just can't get the entire picture yet...

anyway, which is it? are FP includes design-time or run-time? and can you
explain them both further please.

thankyou!! :)

tina
 
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Thomas A. Rowe

FP Includes are design-time components, included in the page when it is saved in FP, but is still
updatable.

Server-side Includes (SSI) are run-time, included in the page only when the page is requested from
the server,

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Teri Carnright

Tina~

I'm not really sure what you read, so I can't say it's the same. My
suggestion is to stop worrying about the technical terms that are so
confusing, and just to simply follow the instructions in the post of creating
a new page, putting something on it, then "including" it wit the instructions
to see how it works. I think a big light bulb will go off after you try it!

Teri
:)
 
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