Is word X compatible with an Intel Mac

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Barbara516

Version: v.X
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)
Processor: Intel

Is Word X for Mac Service Release 1 compatible with an Intel Mac running OS 10.5.5?
 
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Elliott Roper

Version: v.X
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)
Processor: Intel

Is Word X for Mac Service Release 1 compatible with an Intel Mac running OS 10.5.5?

Yep. It works fine.
Well, as well as it ever did.
Performance is about the same as my G4 Powerbook. In other words, the
Rosetta Power PC emulation's slow down is neatly enough compensated for
by the quicker machine.

If you can get a copy of Office 2004 cheaply, you might benefit from
the Unicode support it has. Don't bother with 2008. Wait for the next
one. Or the one after that.
 
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CyberTaz

Additional to Elliott's germane comments you also have to consider the OS as
well as the hardware. Office X was hastily thrown into the market place to
coincide with the introduction of OS X 10.0 (Cheetah). Leopard is 10.5
designed for the Intel processors, so even though X will run on that system
today is no guarantee that the changes in the OS X update won't cripple or
altogether kill it.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
 
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MC

CyberTaz said:
Additional to Elliott's germane comments you also have to consider the OS as
well as the hardware. Office X was hastily thrown into the market place to
coincide with the introduction of OS X 10.0 (Cheetah). Leopard is 10.5
designed for the Intel processors, so even though X will run on that system
today is no guarantee that the changes in the OS X update won't cripple or
altogether kill it.

So far so good - on 10.5.5
 
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Elliott Roper

CyberTaz said:
Additional to Elliott's germane comments you also have to consider the OS as
well as the hardware. Office X was hastily thrown into the market place to
coincide with the introduction of OS X 10.0 (Cheetah). Leopard is 10.5
designed for the Intel processors, so even though X will run on that system
today is no guarantee that the changes in the OS X update won't cripple or
altogether kill it.

But I wouldn't get into a KTS [1] over it. If the past is anything to
go by, you have plenty of time.

Word 5.1 from 1990 finally stopped working on the currently shipping OS
in 2007 with the demise of Classic mode on the introduction of OS X
10.5. Classic was an environment to emulate a totally different
operating system originally on totally different hardware.

Rosetta solves a simpler problem, emulating older hardware on the same
underlying operating system. It will be a cold day in hell before
Rosetta support finally dies. My guess would be another 10 years from
now. Minimum.

It is not strictly true to claim that OS X 10.5 is designed for Intel
processors. It is designed for both Power PC and Intel processors. It
works beautifully and natively on each. The first sign of bias was the
dumping of Classic, so eventually it will come to be true, except there
is always a chance that Intel too will get the push in favour of some
new toys.

MS made a bit of a pig's ear making Office 2008 run natively on Intel
hardware on OS X, ripping out great swathes of functionality in a bid
to have its ship date and name coincide. It was a major undertaking for
MS, because they had to completely shift gears on development tools. In
the end, it too was rushed out with bits of Kleenex on the shaving
cuts.

MS still have to finish the jump by abandoning Carbon and embracing the
Cocoa development framework, which will become the more strongly
preferred set of tools starting with OS X 10.6. Without all the Cocoa
goodness, it will look increasingly old and clunky as time goes by.

MS Office remains very important to many many Mac users. Many of those
will hang onto Office 2004 or v.X until Microsoft completes a proper
transition to current OS X technology, if they ever do. For that alone,
you can bet real money, at quite generous odds, that OS X support for
Rosetta and Office v.X and 2004 is not going away any time soon.

1. Pommy acronym. "Knickers Twisted Situation"
 
B

Barbara516

Thanks to you all for your very helpful comments and answers. I'll take the plunge and install it.

Barbara
 
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CyberTaz

Hi Elliott;

Quite frankly I hope you're right - I've become quite fond of my Dual 2GHz
G5, and since it seems to be holding up quite nicely I'd hate to have to
ditch it just because Apple decides to. I've no idea how accurate the rumor
mill is but there's at least the speculation that the impending release of
Snow Leopard will do just that - cut PPCs off at the knees. Yes , if that
comes to pass I can hold on to my G5 as long as Tiger or Leopard continue to
be supported but there's no doubt that they will eventually go the way of
Classic as OS X (or XI) continues to evolve... But my comment wasn't
directed toward that concern so much as it was in reference to the inherent
fragility of Office X - which (to my understanding) wasn't really *designed*
for OS X. Perhaps I'm wrongly interpreting but from what I've read & heard
from some rather authoritative sources Office X was fundamentally a Classic
app with an "OS X-like" UI offered up as a stopgap measure until a more
properly built suite could be created - enter Office 2004 stage right.

Also - and I'm honestly not baiting you here - I see the design intent of
10.5 from a slightly different perspective than you espouse. My impression
is that it was indeed *designed* for Intel while "keeping PPC architecture
compatibility in mind" - a minor distinction in wording, perhaps, but
significant. [IMHO] The potential for multi-core processor performance is
simply too enticing for Apple to continue dragging PPC support along in a
sidecar. Even Apple isn't arrogant enough to alienate its entire installed
population in one fell swoop, but PPC-based support will certainly meet the
same fate as the 68000 series. How rapidly I have no idea. The saving grace
- as you note - is that the Rosetta emulator already exists, but I believe
it may be deemed excess baggage sooner than you expect.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



CyberTaz said:
Additional to Elliott's germane comments you also have to consider the OS as
well as the hardware. Office X was hastily thrown into the market place to
coincide with the introduction of OS X 10.0 (Cheetah). Leopard is 10.5
designed for the Intel processors, so even though X will run on that system
today is no guarantee that the changes in the OS X update won't cripple or
altogether kill it.

But I wouldn't get into a KTS [1] over it. If the past is anything to
go by, you have plenty of time.

Word 5.1 from 1990 finally stopped working on the currently shipping OS
in 2007 with the demise of Classic mode on the introduction of OS X
10.5. Classic was an environment to emulate a totally different
operating system originally on totally different hardware.

Rosetta solves a simpler problem, emulating older hardware on the same
underlying operating system. It will be a cold day in hell before
Rosetta support finally dies. My guess would be another 10 years from
now. Minimum.

It is not strictly true to claim that OS X 10.5 is designed for Intel
processors. It is designed for both Power PC and Intel processors. It
works beautifully and natively on each. The first sign of bias was the
dumping of Classic, so eventually it will come to be true, except there
is always a chance that Intel too will get the push in favour of some
new toys.

MS made a bit of a pig's ear making Office 2008 run natively on Intel
hardware on OS X, ripping out great swathes of functionality in a bid
to have its ship date and name coincide. It was a major undertaking for
MS, because they had to completely shift gears on development tools. In
the end, it too was rushed out with bits of Kleenex on the shaving
cuts.

MS still have to finish the jump by abandoning Carbon and embracing the
Cocoa development framework, which will become the more strongly
preferred set of tools starting with OS X 10.6. Without all the Cocoa
goodness, it will look increasingly old and clunky as time goes by.

MS Office remains very important to many many Mac users. Many of those
will hang onto Office 2004 or v.X until Microsoft completes a proper
transition to current OS X technology, if they ever do. For that alone,
you can bet real money, at quite generous odds, that OS X support for
Rosetta and Office v.X and 2004 is not going away any time soon.

1. Pommy acronym. "Knickers Twisted Situation"
 
E

Elliott Roper

CyberTaz said:
Hi Elliott;

Quite frankly I hope you're right - I've become quite fond of my Dual 2GHz
G5, and since it seems to be holding up quite nicely I'd hate to have to
ditch it just because Apple decides to. I've no idea how accurate the rumor
mill is but there's at least the speculation that the impending release of
Snow Leopard will do just that - cut PPCs off at the knees.
There *is* some concern, but it seems that the lack of PPC was confined
to early seeds. I can't find the official rebuttal right now, but I
expect that your G5 will be looking OK in 10.6 final, as will my trusty
G4 12" Powerbook. (Oh how I wish Apple would make something smaller
than an Air.)
Yes , if that comes to pass I can hold on to my G5 as long as Tiger
or Leopard continue to be supported but there's no doubt that they
will eventually go the way of Classic as OS X (or XI) continues to
evolve... But my comment wasn't directed toward that concern so much
as it was in reference to the inherent fragility of Office X - which
(to my understanding) wasn't really *designed* for OS X. Perhaps I'm
wrongly interpreting but from what I've read & heard from some rather
authoritative sources Office X was fundamentally a Classic app with
an "OS X-like" UI offered up as a stopgap measure until a more
properly built suite could be created - enter Office 2004 stage
right.

Well 2004 is a slight improvement, in that it had Unicode support and
long filenames, however badly done, but they are almost certainly very
similar animals. The big internal shift was 2008 when they moved from
Code Warrior to Xcode. From what I learned from MS blogs, that broke an
awful lot of stuff that was previously nickable from the PC side, which
was partly the reason they ditched VBA.
Also - and I'm honestly not baiting you here - I see the design intent of
10.5 from a slightly different perspective than you espouse. My impression
is that it was indeed *designed* for Intel while "keeping PPC architecture
compatibility in mind" - a minor distinction in wording, perhaps, but
significant. [IMHO] The potential for multi-core processor performance is
simply too enticing for Apple to continue dragging PPC support along in a
sidecar. Even Apple isn't arrogant enough to alienate its entire installed
population in one fell swoop, but PPC-based support will certainly meet the
same fate as the 68000 series. How rapidly I have no idea. The saving grace
- as you note - is that the Rosetta emulator already exists, but I believe
it may be deemed excess baggage sooner than you expect.

Yep, it would seem logical from the outside, but I'd point out that the
current developments are largely processor independent. Also there is
very little extra for multi-core versus multi-processor like your G5
has. Only a tiny fraction of the kernel and EFI is processor dependent.
I think it would be not exaggerating too much to claim that Apple could
fairly cheaply move to non-Intel processors if something interesting
came along. A good example is the iPhone. It runs OS X on an ARM core.
Another is the expected support for graphics hardware getting used for
computational tasks. Apple's 'universal' magic is working almost too
well.

I think that there is more of a threat for big old applications from
the likes of Microsoft and Adobe that depend on the old low level
Carbon frameworks. I'd be willing to bet that a more important shift in
OS X development is toward Cocoa. Expect the graphics chip computation
and full 64 addressing for applications to require Cocoa more and more.

You can see from the bugs in Office 2004 and 2008 that Carbon is being
used in ways that don't sit well with Cocoa. I offer the desperately
poor typography in Word as an example. So much of the layout engine
appears to be torn between using Apple's way and shoe-horning Windows
stuff into the product at a very low level. That way of working has a
pretty short use-by date. That was the basis of my throw away line
doubting that Microsoft will ever make a proper Cocoa Office.
If Ray Ozzie's Azure takes off, I doubt the MS Mac Business Unit will
survive another 10 years. There will no longer be a job for it to do.

While I'm in full rant mode, I'd like to add that a 'network' OS for
'cloud computing' is the dumbest plan Microsoft could possibly hatch.
If everyone could Office on the cloud, why would anyone not use OS X?


What *is* that golden goose with its neck slit open? They are ignoring
their own history at their peril. The PC was invented to do a better
job than the 'cloud computing' that IBM and DEC were selling in 1980.
 
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Phillip Jones, C.E.T.

Its not a rumor. Snow leopard will not be a universal Binary install
there will be not one iota of PPC code in its bones.

I was going to get me a new Intel Mac Tower until the Economy went south
and wiped out half of the value of my retirement find (Franklin Income)
Now I'll have to nurse the G4-500 along for another Year.

On my OSX3.9 Drive The KeyChain application, Accounts Control Panel
Install application for Package files and stickies has suddenly quit
working and I don't know how to fix. So I am having to use a new Drive I
had to install in place of my OS9 Drive that originally came with the
Computer.
Hi Elliott;

Quite frankly I hope you're right - I've become quite fond of my Dual 2GHz
G5, and since it seems to be holding up quite nicely I'd hate to have to
ditch it just because Apple decides to. I've no idea how accurate the rumor
mill is but there's at least the speculation that the impending release of
Snow Leopard will do just that - cut PPCs off at the knees. Yes , if that
comes to pass I can hold on to my G5 as long as Tiger or Leopard continue to
be supported but there's no doubt that they will eventually go the way of
Classic as OS X (or XI) continues to evolve... But my comment wasn't
directed toward that concern so much as it was in reference to the inherent
fragility of Office X - which (to my understanding) wasn't really *designed*
for OS X. Perhaps I'm wrongly interpreting but from what I've read & heard
from some rather authoritative sources Office X was fundamentally a Classic
app with an "OS X-like" UI offered up as a stopgap measure until a more
properly built suite could be created - enter Office 2004 stage right.

Also - and I'm honestly not baiting you here - I see the design intent of
10.5 from a slightly different perspective than you espouse. My impression
is that it was indeed *designed* for Intel while "keeping PPC architecture
compatibility in mind" - a minor distinction in wording, perhaps, but
significant. [IMHO] The potential for multi-core processor performance is
simply too enticing for Apple to continue dragging PPC support along in a
sidecar. Even Apple isn't arrogant enough to alienate its entire installed
population in one fell swoop, but PPC-based support will certainly meet the
same fate as the 68000 series. How rapidly I have no idea. The saving grace
- as you note - is that the Rosetta emulator already exists, but I believe
it may be deemed excess baggage sooner than you expect.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



CyberTaz said:
Additional to Elliott's germane comments you also have to consider the OS as
well as the hardware. Office X was hastily thrown into the market place to
coincide with the introduction of OS X 10.0 (Cheetah). Leopard is 10.5
designed for the Intel processors, so even though X will run on that system
today is no guarantee that the changes in the OS X update won't cripple or
altogether kill it.
But I wouldn't get into a KTS [1] over it. If the past is anything to
go by, you have plenty of time.

Word 5.1 from 1990 finally stopped working on the currently shipping OS
in 2007 with the demise of Classic mode on the introduction of OS X
10.5. Classic was an environment to emulate a totally different
operating system originally on totally different hardware.

Rosetta solves a simpler problem, emulating older hardware on the same
underlying operating system. It will be a cold day in hell before
Rosetta support finally dies. My guess would be another 10 years from
now. Minimum.

It is not strictly true to claim that OS X 10.5 is designed for Intel
processors. It is designed for both Power PC and Intel processors. It
works beautifully and natively on each. The first sign of bias was the
dumping of Classic, so eventually it will come to be true, except there
is always a chance that Intel too will get the push in favour of some
new toys.

MS made a bit of a pig's ear making Office 2008 run natively on Intel
hardware on OS X, ripping out great swathes of functionality in a bid
to have its ship date and name coincide. It was a major undertaking for
MS, because they had to completely shift gears on development tools. In
the end, it too was rushed out with bits of Kleenex on the shaving
cuts.

MS still have to finish the jump by abandoning Carbon and embracing the
Cocoa development framework, which will become the more strongly
preferred set of tools starting with OS X 10.6. Without all the Cocoa
goodness, it will look increasingly old and clunky as time goes by.

MS Office remains very important to many many Mac users. Many of those
will hang onto Office 2004 or v.X until Microsoft completes a proper
transition to current OS X technology, if they ever do. For that alone,
you can bet real money, at quite generous odds, that OS X support for
Rosetta and Office v.X and 2004 is not going away any time soon.

1. Pommy acronym. "Knickers Twisted Situation"

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If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! http://www.vpea.org
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Elliott Roper

Phillip Jones said:
Its not a rumor. Snow leopard will not be a universal Binary install
there will be not one iota of PPC code in its bones.

Can you cite your source for this assertion?

Apple appear not to be saying one way or the other.
I can't find any info on the current seed about PPC support.
 

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