Lon - opinion of Act 2008 vs. BCM07 sp1?

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Ed Marmon

I've watched your great contributions for soe ime, especially regarding
your (exit?) from Act! in favor of BCM, or at least helping those who
wish to accomplish this, for whatever reason.

I think an advantage of BCM is the stability of a quality company like
MS, knowing that the future of the product is secure, as opposed to
reading the many reviews about Act! at Amazon and such places about the
rampant (past?) dissatisfaction with Act 2007.

I'm wondering about what you see in te trendline as BCM oved v4 soon ( I
assume) and Act! has put out Act! 2008.

I'm trialing 2008 now, and it's much faster than 2006, but I'm wondering
what your thoughts are on the lastest developments on these products, and
if BCM is headed in a direction of rapid development to catch up to the
customiability andeasy mail merges that Act has...

Thanks!
 
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Lon Orenstein

Ed:

Thanks -- sorry for the delay in posting.

I wish I had a crystal ball or even a vocal source into the BCM Team and I
could tell you what their plans are for the next version of BCM. But, I
don't... I hope they continue to expand its functionality and integrate it
further into the Microsoft "stack" of software (like Exchange!!!) but one
never knows, does one?

When you ask if "BCM is headed in a direction of rapid development to catch
up to the
customizability and easy mail merges that Act has", I would guess No. That
said, I don't think it has to. Yeah, I agree that BCM needs a better mail
merge function. Yeah, I wish BCM showed the contact name in the task list.
But, over the last couple of years I've come to realize that people spend
too much time worrying about how many clicks it takes and less about
accomplishing what they have to do. Sure, it's more efficient to use less
clicks but that's not a reason to abandon a product like BCM.

I used ACT for 18 of its 20 years and it was great. However, most of that
time was before email ruled my business life. Managing my contacts was
important and it was an easy place to link all the notes, documents, emails,
et al to be able to find out everything about a contact. It was a LOT
better than Willy Loman's 3x5 index cards. Now, most of the information
about my business is embedded in emails. Slogging through history to find
something about a contact is far less efficient than SEARCH. Search is MUCH
more productive than looking through history and opening 7 emails before
finding the right one. Same thing goes for documents or notes about a
conversation. I've been using MS OneNote for the last year and love it. If
I had the time to program a better interface with BCM, I'd never write
another Business Note in BCM again. Managing contacts has really become
"managing relationships" and the contact data is secondary. Now, that's my
business -- yours may be different. But, I think yours, and everyone
else's, is moving to that model also. And, Microsoft owns Outlook, arguably
the best email program out there -- not perfect, but pretty damn good. So,
I'm dug into Outlook which makes me infinitely more productive than ACT ever
did.

ACT's stated direction is to 25-50 user implementations at $300+ per user
and I wish them luck. I think Microsoft CRM is a MUCH better value for
those kinds of businesses. For the 1-10 user market, ACT has become more
difficult to manage and administer, and bottom line, it still doesn't link
to Outlook as well as BCM does and never will, by definition -- it ain't
part of Outlook!. Without getting off on another rant, I believe that if a
small business can't run their business using BCM, they won't be able to use
a more complicated system. The problem with business isn't the software,
it's the humans. BCM is a good basic CRM system for small business. Master
that and then grow into MS CRM or other program more specific to your needs.
ACT only has contact management, a great letter writer, and the ability to
add hundreds of fields that no one puts data into.

And finally, I have no faith in Sage compared to Microsoft. Sage isn't in
the technology business (they're in the subscription business), they're not
going to be a leader in new functionality, and every year you'll get a
couple new features and a few bug fixes to keep you around. Given what's
going on in the technology world and where the market is going, look at the
end of the line for Sage's products.

Did I answer your question?

HTH,
Lon

___________________________________________________________
Lon Orenstein
pinpointtools, llc
(e-mail address removed)
Author of Outlook 2007 Business Contact Manager For Dummies
Author of the eBook: Moving from ACT! to Business Contact Manager
www.pinpointtools.com
 
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mrtimpeterson via OfficeKB.com

Some very helpful comments Lon, especially from a wise "sage" such as
yourself!

-THP



Lon said:
Ed:

Thanks -- sorry for the delay in posting.

I wish I had a crystal ball or even a vocal source into the BCM Team and I
could tell you what their plans are for the next version of BCM. But, I
don't... I hope they continue to expand its functionality and integrate it
further into the Microsoft "stack" of software (like Exchange!!!) but one
never knows, does one?

When you ask if "BCM is headed in a direction of rapid development to catch
up to the
customizability and easy mail merges that Act has", I would guess No. That
said, I don't think it has to. Yeah, I agree that BCM needs a better mail
merge function. Yeah, I wish BCM showed the contact name in the task list.
But, over the last couple of years I've come to realize that people spend
too much time worrying about how many clicks it takes and less about
accomplishing what they have to do. Sure, it's more efficient to use less
clicks but that's not a reason to abandon a product like BCM.

I used ACT for 18 of its 20 years and it was great. However, most of that
time was before email ruled my business life. Managing my contacts was
important and it was an easy place to link all the notes, documents, emails,
et al to be able to find out everything about a contact. It was a LOT
better than Willy Loman's 3x5 index cards. Now, most of the information
about my business is embedded in emails. Slogging through history to find
something about a contact is far less efficient than SEARCH. Search is MUCH
more productive than looking through history and opening 7 emails before
finding the right one. Same thing goes for documents or notes about a
conversation. I've been using MS OneNote for the last year and love it. If
I had the time to program a better interface with BCM, I'd never write
another Business Note in BCM again. Managing contacts has really become
"managing relationships" and the contact data is secondary. Now, that's my
business -- yours may be different. But, I think yours, and everyone
else's, is moving to that model also. And, Microsoft owns Outlook, arguably
the best email program out there -- not perfect, but pretty damn good. So,
I'm dug into Outlook which makes me infinitely more productive than ACT ever
did.

ACT's stated direction is to 25-50 user implementations at $300+ per user
and I wish them luck. I think Microsoft CRM is a MUCH better value for
those kinds of businesses. For the 1-10 user market, ACT has become more
difficult to manage and administer, and bottom line, it still doesn't link
to Outlook as well as BCM does and never will, by definition -- it ain't
part of Outlook!. Without getting off on another rant, I believe that if a
small business can't run their business using BCM, they won't be able to use
a more complicated system. The problem with business isn't the software,
it's the humans. BCM is a good basic CRM system for small business. Master
that and then grow into MS CRM or other program more specific to your needs.
ACT only has contact management, a great letter writer, and the ability to
add hundreds of fields that no one puts data into.

And finally, I have no faith in Sage compared to Microsoft. Sage isn't in
the technology business (they're in the subscription business), they're not
going to be a leader in new functionality, and every year you'll get a
couple new features and a few bug fixes to keep you around. Given what's
going on in the technology world and where the market is going, look at the
end of the line for Sage's products.

Did I answer your question?

HTH,
Lon

___________________________________________________________
Lon Orenstein
pinpointtools, llc
(e-mail address removed)
Author of Outlook 2007 Business Contact Manager For Dummies
Author of the eBook: Moving from ACT! to Business Contact Manager
www.pinpointtools.com
I've watched your great contributions for soe ime, especially regarding
your (exit?) from Act! in favor of BCM, or at least helping those who
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Ed Marmon

I wish you would explain yourself a bit... heh. Boy, this is an exegesis..
thanks for the stream of conscieousness, Lon. valuable, indeed.

personally, i really like the concept of asksam.com, a text-based free-form
database that also has fields. It's a bit complicated to grasp, but they
are into searching more than field input as well. I agree- instead of
putting strict input controls and a field-driven model, let the business
flow, and use search, advanced search retrospectively, to get info out.

I wish the conepts of asksam and x1 could be integrated into bcm-- i know
theres wds, but somehow it doesn't receive nearly as much development and
features as x1, or even GDS. In fact, we've been at 3.0 or 3.01 for how
long now?

thats why i wondered if x1 would finally work on bcm files.

i agree that a painful shortcoming of act is the email- its backward to say
the least. and the letter templates-- what good are they if most of what
you send nowadays are emails, formatted emails.
 
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Lon Orenstein

Ed:

Check out OneNote -- it's close to AskSam in its unstructured data.
Combined with BCM's structured data, I think there's a solution there.
Unfortunately for a company like ours, we need a large enough user base to
sell software into in order to stay alive. The BCM base isn't big enough on
its own, let alone the intersection of OneNote and BCM. But, that's where
I'm headed next -- a small UMPC/TabletPC with OneNote and BCM integrated
somehow.

Thanks,
Lon

___________________________________________________________
Lon Orenstein
pinpointtools, llc
(e-mail address removed)
Author of Outlook 2007 Business Contact Manager For Dummies
Author of the eBook: Moving from ACT! to Business Contact Manager
www.pinpointtools.com
 
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Ed Marmon

I tried it... I don't know... I don't have a tablet pc, and itjust seems
sounderused when using just a keyboard, no? Do you use pen input?
Wouldntthat be the fullest way to use onenote? I wish there was a usb
pen solution, where you dont need to keep chaging a pen battery ( pen
connected to usb-- i wouldnt dont mind the wire)

and what about the consequent reliance on WDS 301? I found that it clogs
system performance ( apart from the initial indexing-- it just continues
to degrade performance I find, way after)... It's not as powerful as GDS
or X1, and yet neither of those products seem to claim they work with
BCM.. Do eiter work with onenote? I would surmise no. Ive read in many
places where as soon as WDS301 was uninstalled, the system came back to
life...( and the part about indexing when idle was covered ad naseum--
again-- it's not the settings but seemingly the installation itself..)

I don't know. I realize the ritical mass outlook has in the work market,
and that is, in and of iteself, fortunately or unfortunately, a good
arguement. Ive been part of investments in software CRM, where those
products are just abandoned, and then youre basically left flapping in
the breeze, no roadmap, and forced migration to your next great CRM...

I like your conceptual thinking, and that's what BCM needs more of. How
is informtion found, captured, stored, & retreived in the age of too-
much-information. BCM... It doesnt come across as new and different as
onenote... it just seems like a capitulation to the crm people out there,
a small and largely-crippled stepping stone to mscrm?
 
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Lon Orenstein

Well, you're preaching to the choir, Ed. I wish Windows Desktop Search was
more stable but I've got my fingers crossed for the next release -- don't we
always! I'm running Vista and WDS runs better on it than XP and the only
thing I have it index is OneNote. I've turned off Outlook so that minimizes
the overhead and gets me the searching in OneNote. I use X1 for all the
other searches and I've asked them to include BCM in their next release --
more fingers crossed!

As for the tabletpc and OneNote, Yes, it would be great to use a tablet but
I do just fine with a keyboard, cut/paste, and print to OneNote. There is a
printer driver I use to get webpages into OneNote that works well. You can
link a BCM contact into OneNote and get to/from pretty easily so I'm using
OneNote now instead of Business Notes for lots of my work.

Take care,
Lon

___________________________________________________________
Lon Orenstein
pinpointtools, llc
(e-mail address removed)
Author of Outlook 2007 Business Contact Manager For Dummies
Author of the eBook: Moving from ACT! to Business Contact Manager
www.pinpointtools.com
 
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Ed Marmon

an odd question- if the present an future is search (worrying about finding
and getting data out), much more than input (worrying about how data is
categorzed and entered), why is onenote better than 10k text files, sitting
in some directory, each indexed by X1 or whatnot, accessable through
complex boolean searches and proximity searches like in asksam? is it
because there are colors and folders so someone with a franklin planner
background can use it? or because it integrates into 1) outlook email and
2)outlook calendar, is that the value of onenote?
 
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Lon Orenstein

Yeah, the OneNote interface and organization is easy and intuitive like a
notebook with tabs and pages. And, I REALLY want a small tablet that will
take the place of my laptop and Pocket PC and I'll ultimately use that for
OneNote, BCM, and Outlook and life will be beautiful all the time and I'll
be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white suits and they're
coming to take me away...

Lon

___________________________________________________________
Lon Orenstein
pinpointtools, llc
(e-mail address removed)
Author of Outlook 2007 Business Contact Manager For Dummies
Author of the eBook: Moving from ACT! to Business Contact Manager
www.pinpointtools.com
 
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mrtimpeterson via OfficeKB.com

Those nice young men in their clean white suits have already gotten me! I
have been using OneNote alongside of Outlook on a 13" Toshiba Portege Tablet
as Lon describes and it is true nirvana. BTW Ed, my input pen does NOT
contain any batteries. Early model tablets used to have these but no longer.
I just love the information capturing and searching freedom that OneNote
enables. It is the sleeper of the Office apps.

-THP



Lon said:
Yeah, the OneNote interface and organization is easy and intuitive like a
notebook with tabs and pages. And, I REALLY want a small tablet that will
take the place of my laptop and Pocket PC and I'll ultimately use that for
OneNote, BCM, and Outlook and life will be beautiful all the time and I'll
be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white suits and they're
coming to take me away...

Lon

___________________________________________________________
Lon Orenstein
pinpointtools, llc
(e-mail address removed)
Author of Outlook 2007 Business Contact Manager For Dummies
Author of the eBook: Moving from ACT! to Business Contact Manager
www.pinpointtools.com
an odd question- if the present an future is search (worrying about
finding
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E

Ed Marmon

You don't need a battery in the pen because you have a touch screen,
right? I dont have th lux-- I'm still on a desktop...

Those nice young men in their clean white suits have already gotten
me! I have been using OneNote alongside of Outlook on a 13" Toshiba
Portege Tablet as Lon describes and it is true nirvana. BTW Ed, my
input pen does NOT contain any batteries. Early model tablets used to
have these but no longer. I just love the information capturing and
searching freedom that OneNote enables. It is the sleeper of the
Office apps.

-THP



Lon said:
Yeah, the OneNote interface and organization is easy and intuitive
like a notebook with tabs and pages. And, I REALLY want a small
tablet that will take the place of my laptop and Pocket PC and I'll
ultimately use that for OneNote, BCM, and Outlook and life will be
beautiful all the time and I'll be happy to see those nice young men
in their clean white suits and they're coming to take me away...

Lon

___________________________________________________________
Lon Orenstein
pinpointtools, llc
(e-mail address removed)
Author of Outlook 2007 Business Contact Manager For Dummies
Author of the eBook: Moving from ACT! to Business Contact Manager
www.pinpointtools.com
an odd question- if the present an future is search (worrying about
finding
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mrtimpeterson via OfficeKB.com

Ed,

That is correct. The earliest Tablet release over 5 years ago have been
improved upon with greater durability and writing "feel." I love my
convertible tablet. It is fast and can used either as a notebook with key
board for typing or via long hand input. Great versatility and ease of use.

Here is a link to a great resource: http://www.seizetheworkday.com

Although published in 2003, Michael Linenberger's book, "Seize the Workday-
Using the Tablet PC to take control of your work and meeting day" provides a
very comprehensive discussion and guide for use of the Tablet PC.

-THP

Ed said:
You don't need a battery in the pen because you have a touch screen,
right? I dont have th lux-- I'm still on a desktop...
Those nice young men in their clean white suits have already gotten
me! I have been using OneNote alongside of Outlook on a 13" Toshiba
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