Microsoft MVPs

[Al Sparber]

Hi,

Can someone tell me who is in charge of the MVP program at Microsoft?

Thanks

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

See:
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/MVPINTRO

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[Al Sparber]

Thank you. Much appreciated.

See:
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/MVPINTRO

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[Chuck Davis]

See:
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/MVPINTRO

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It's amazing how poorly that page renders in NN7.1, Opera 7.54 and Firefox
1.0.1

 

[David Baxter]

Maybe NN7.1, Opera 7.54, and Firefox should get their acts together
then...

 

[Mike Mueller]

Maybe MS should get their act together and develope a
browser that actually renders content based on the w3c
standards for html and css, and developes scripts with those
standards in mind, and then add in all of the security risks
later

David Baxter wrote:
: Maybe NN7.1, Opera 7.54, and Firefox should get their
: acts together then...
:
: "Chuck Davis" <newsgroup at anthemwebs dot com> wrote in
: message :
:: It's amazing how poorly that page renders in NN7.1,
:: Opera 7.54 and Firefox
:: 1.0.1

 

[Steve Easton]

Sorry Mike but I have a different point of view.
It's not that IE doesn't render w3c compliant content.
It's that IE is loaded with features that are way ahead of other browsers, which unfortunately can't
be used because other browsers can't render them.

Filters and transitions, and image transformation.
Creating multi cell tables on the fly and populating the cells with the contents from a database or
even a folder containing images.
Using IsAtomic as a setting for a table or cell, making the entire table or cell "hot" on a
mouseover event.

That's just a few

Poke around the IE section of MSDN sometime.

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[Al Sparber]

Sorry Mike but I have a different point of view.
It's not that IE doesn't render w3c compliant content.

min-width
adjacent sibling selectors
position: fixed

There are a whole bunch more.

But I agree that for a browser rendering engine that was released a few
years ago, IE6 is not a bad browser and I look forward to IE7 adding
full support for CSS2.1

It's that IE is loaded with features that are way ahead of other
browsers, which unfortunately can't
be used because other browsers can't render them.

Filters and transitions, and image transformation.

A lot of W3C standards started out as IE proprietarty features. The ones
that have not been adopted are still very valuable in closed
application/intranet settings. But when deployed on general web pages
it's best to ensure graceful degradation in other browsers. I think the
page in point is, in fact, fine in Firefox or Opera. Of course, it would
be easy for Microsoft to make a popup menu that was accessible and
functional in other browsers if they really wanted to

Poke around the IE section of MSDN sometime.

It's a great place and where I learned about my favorite IE-specific
feature: Conditional Comments.


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PVII
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"Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling down a crumbling
mountain road at 90 miles per hour secure in the knowledge that repairs
are scheduled for next Tuesday".

 

[Mike Mueller]

I agree to a point, and please don't get me wrong, as I am
really not an MS or IE basher.

None of the mainstream browsers will render all html & css.
Some are worse than others, especially when it comes to
css2.
And there is nothing wrong with having additional features,
such as transitions.

The problem is that pages get developed that use scripts
that only work in IE, and often these same scripts are
working with the navigation. I am by no means surprised that
MS tailors they pages for IE, but to develope with disregard
for the others is just ignorant of the fact that not
everyone has the ability to use IE.

Can you explain more about
: Creating multi cell tables on the fly and
populating the cells with the
: contents from a database or even a folder
containing images.
-and-
: Using IsAtomic as a setting for a table or cell


: Sorry Mike but I have a different point of view.
: It's not that IE doesn't render w3c compliant content.
: It's that IE is loaded with features that are way ahead of
other browsers, which unfortunately can't
: be used because other browsers can't render them.
:
: Filters and transitions, and image transformation.
: Creating multi cell tables on the fly and populating the
cells with the contents from a database or
: even a folder containing images.
: Using IsAtomic as a setting for a table or cell, making
the entire table or cell "hot" on a
: mouseover event.
:
: That's just a few
:
: Poke around the IE section of MSDN sometime.
:
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: Steve Easton
: Microsoft MVP FrontPage
: 95isalive
: This site is best viewed............
: .......................with a computer
:
message
: : > Maybe MS should get their act together and develope a
: > browser that actually renders content based on the w3c
: > standards for html and css, and developes scripts with
those
: > standards in mind, and then add in all of the security
risks
: > later
: >
: > David Baxter wrote:
: > : Maybe NN7.1, Opera 7.54, and Firefox should get their
: > : acts together then...
: > :
: > : "Chuck Davis" <newsgroup at anthemwebs dot com> wrote
in
: > : message : > :
: > :: It's amazing how poorly that page renders in NN7.1,
: > :: Opera 7.54 and Firefox
: > :: 1.0.1
: >
: >
:
:

 

[Steve Easton]

Hi Mike. You're absolutely correct.
But there are also instances where Mozilla et al won't run some basic javascript that's been around
since JavaScript was developed for Mozilla way back when.

It really does work both ways.

Actually I should have said atomicselection
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/browser/prog_browser_node_entry.asp
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/objects/table.asp

Here's one about building dynamic tables, but it's not the one I had in mind. I'll have to do some
searching.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/tables/buildtables.asp?frame=true


hth
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[Bob Lehmann]

If, by "get their acts together", you mean support non-existent,
non-compliant tags, attributes and formats, how would you propose they do
that?

Bob Lehmann

 

[Trevor L.]

Steve,

I recently was part of a discussion here about slideshows and I was advised
by Murray that my slide show http://tandcl.homemail.com.au/ (Picture Album
page) wouldn't work in non-IE browser because it uses what you listed in
your posting viz. Filters and transitions, and image transformation.

It actually uses this code
document.images.SlideShow.style.filter="blendTrans(duration=2)"
document.images.SlideShow.style.filter="blendTrans(duration=crossFadeDuration)" document.images.SlideShow.filters.blendTrans.Apply() document.images.SlideShow.filters.blendTrans.Play()Do you know how to make this degrade gracefully, so that other browsers willjust ignore it. Murray said that the slideshow just fails in FF1 (PC andMac) and Safari (Mac). I don't have a MAC, but I assume I can downloadFirefox from somewhere to test it (after I make what changes are needed tothe JS)--Thanks,Trevor L.I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html

 

[Al Sparber]

I can confirm that your slide show only works on IE Windows. The rest of
your site seems to function


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"Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling down a crumbling
mountain road at 90 miles per hour secure in the knowledge that repairs
are scheduled for next Tuesday".

 

[Susan]

I guess all these browsers give you web people job security. I thought I
would try to learn some Javascript so I started reading the book and using
the CD. I went to the CD which had Chapter listings and a table which would
show what would work in each browser. I tried Opera, Mozilla Firefox, etc
and the page would not come up in the browsers.

 

[Trevor L.]

Thanks, Al

Anyone, can you tell me what changes I have to make to this code so that it
would work in all (most) browsers

Javascript
function chgImg(direction)
/****
direction positions to
--------- ------------
-100 first image
1000 last image
-1 previous image
1 next image
1000 + i image i (i > 0)
****/
{
var ImgLength = Slides.length - 1
ImgNum =
(direction <= -100) ? 0
: (direction >= 1000) ? (direction - 1001)
: ImgNum + direction
ImgNum =
(ImgNum > ImgLength) ? 0
: (ImgNum < 0) ? ImgLength
: ImgNum
document.SlideShow.src = Slides[ImgNum]
document.getElementById('ImgText').innerHTML = (ImgNum + 1) + '/' +
Captions.length
+ ' ' + Captions[ImgNum]
}

This function is called with parameter direction to display the next image.
ImgNum is a global variable pointing to the last image.
Slides is an array of image names.
Captions is an array of captions.

HTML
<img class="none" src="images/wait.gif" alt="" name="SlideShow"><br>
<span id="ImgText">START</span><br>

My feeling that getElementByID is illegal in Netscape and therefore possibly
in Firefox. Is document.SlideShow.src also illegal?
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Cheers,
Trevor L.


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[David Baxter]

That's a common misconception but W3C doesn't have "standards" -- they
have a set of proposals for standards which have yet to be fully
implemented or fully adopted and in some cases probably will not be.

I'm also a little uncertain what you think security risks (I will give
you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not naive enough to think
those other browsers don't have any) have to do with how the browser
renders HTML.

 

[David Baxter]

Which "non-existent" or "non-compliant" tags, attributes, and formats
did you have in mind when you wrote that? And "non-existent" and
"non-compliant" according to whose definition?

 

[Bob Lehmann]

Well, let's start with <picture>.

Just because MS happens to make something up, doesn't mean the rest of the
world has to toe their line.

So, how do you propose that "Maybe NN7.1, Opera 7.54, and Firefox should get
their acts together"?

Bob Lehmann

 

[David Baxter]

And just because W3C or Netscape or... happens to make something up
doesn't mean the rest of the world has to toe the line either. What
percentage of web-surfers are using IE compared to NS, Opera, FF, etc.?
Why is it so frequently assumed that IE should comply with the
"standards" adopted by browsers with a 1-5% market share? When did this
start to make sense?

 

[Kevin Spencer]

Why is it so frequently assumed that IE should comply with the

"standards" adopted by browsers with a 1-5% market share? When did this
start to make sense?

It doesn't matter who adopts the standards. It matters that they exist, and
that a good browser manufacturer should adhere to them. The browser
manufacturers don't make the standards. The W3C does.

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HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
What You Seek Is What You Get.