sorry..but I gotsta ask...is this the same web your working on the test site
(Netfirms)?
| Thanks for your observation regarding the forms, David. I see what you
mean,
| and I don't have a clear answer. I simply did everything sequentially,
| starting with the two text boxes followed by the list box, then the four
| option buttons. Then the list of evaluation option buttons, etc. I don't
| understand it either. I've rebuilt it twice, and putting 28 little option
| buttons in is a pain. I'm going to leave it as is, but still in
puzzlement.
| Did you click submit and look at the confirmation page? The sequence is
| wrong, withe the bottom option button responses coming first, followed by
the
| three text boxes. Believe me when I tell you that I installed them all
| sequentially not once, but three times. I have another more serious issue
| with uploading that I'll do as a separate and all-important question.
Thanks
| again.
|
| "DavidF" wrote:
|
| > CWhit,
| >
| > After you rebuild your form as David B. suggested, your problems with
order
| > and tabbing may be solved. And I must admit that I do not use forms, so
I
| > took a look at your site to see what I could learn and then tried to
| > recreate your issue.
| >
| > One observation is that on your Book Mediation page
| >
http://www.burdin-adr.netfirms.com/index_files/Page2197.htm which is
mostly
| > text boxes, tabbing works well. However on your Evaluation page
| >
http://www.burdin-adr.netfirms.com/index_files/Page637.htm , you use a
lot
| > of Option buttons or Check boxes. As you tab through Text boxes, each
box is
| > highlighted. On your Evaluation page you have three text boxes followed
by a
| > series of Option buttons. If you tab from your third text box with the
drop
| > down list, and then use your arrow keys, you will see that you are on
the
| > Neutrality grouping of Option buttons, but there is no highlighting, so
it
| > is hard to tell that is where you are. If you tab again, and use the
arrows,
| > you are on the Empathy grouping...and so on. The problem is that unless
you
| > use the arrows, you don't know this. Now if you click into Comments box,
and
| > then tab, you are taken to the Please Check One grouping of Option
buttons,
| > and this time you see the first button highlighted/selected...a small
dashed
| > box appears around the first button, and you can arrow to the others.
| >
| > As I said, I don't use forms, so my question is, what did you do
different
| > in building the Please Check One grouping of Option buttons? Perhaps if
you
| > rebuild the Neutrality, Empathy etc. button groupings in the same way as
you
| > did with the Check One grouping, you will get the same
| > highlighting/selection effect as you tab through them??
| >
| > DavidF
| >
| > | > > Thanks again, David. I haven't communicated my forms problem
adequately.
| > > When I said my tabs were "skewed," I didn't mean the way they appeared
on
| > the
| > > page, but that the form controls were reached by the tab key out of
order.
| > >
| > > First, I have two forms pages. In one, the in-line tabs work
perfectly,
| > and
| > > the Confirmation Page has all form control responses in the correct
order.
| > > In the second -- a much simpler one -- using the tab key does not move
| > > sequentially through the controls. In other words, pressing the tab
key
| > > moves the cursor to the last form control rather than the first.
Please
| > > believe me when I tell you that I redid this page this morning to make
| > sure
| > > all form controls were entered sequentially, but the problem
continued. I
| > > then used David B's "bring to front" method on each control
sequentially,
| > and
| > > the problem persists. My Confirmation Page has the responses in an
| > incorrect
| > > order, with some of the controls at the bottom of the page reporting
as at
| > > the top of the page. As I've said, this is not a critical problem --
the
| > > fields are all filled in easily if the user just uses mouse clicks
instead
| > of
| > > the tab key, and even using the tab key will eventually get you to all
| > fields
| > > although not in the proper order. The return form is no problem
either --
| > > our administrators know what is what. It is more annoyance than
anything
| > > else, and then it might irritate a client or two. Could it be that
when I
| > > redid the forms page some code was left behind? Should I recreate the
| > form
| > > on a new page? This is really much ado about not very much.
| > > "DavidF" wrote:
| > >
| > > > CWhit,
| > > >
| > > > I assume that you are looking at the same material, but here is the
text
| > I
| > > > copied from David's old FAQ page about reordering the form controls:
| > > >
| > > > Q. The form controls on my form "tab" in a random order. Can the
tab
| > order
| > > > be specified?
| > > > A. By default Publisher sets the tab order in the order in which
the
| > > > controls are added to the page. The Arrange (front/back) feature can
be
| > used
| > > > to set an explicit tab order in a form. This is done by selecting
each
| > > > control in the order you want the tab order to follow, and setting
it to
| > > > "bring to front". In v2003 you can right click the control and
select
| > Order,
| > > > Bring to front. In v2002 you can use Alt + F6. Or just use the
Arrange
| > menu.
| > > >
| > > > Perhaps try the different methods, and perhaps you need to left
click
| > and
| > > > drag across the individual control in order to "select" it?
| > > >
| > > > As to tabs being slightly askew...perhaps try the nudge feature
until
| > > > everything lines up in web preview...or post the URL to the specific
| > page
| > > > where you are having the problem so we can see what you are talking
| > about.
| > > >
| > > > I think the main thing with Earthlink is to make sure the FrontPage
| > Server
| > > > Extensions (FPSE) are installed. If they are then http protocol
SHOULD
| > work.
| > > > Once again from David's FAQs:
| > > >
| > > > Q. How do I know if my web host installed FrontPage Server
Extensions
| > > > (FPSE) on my account?
| > > > A. You can confirm that FPSE was successfully installed and are
| > functional
| > > > by browsing to the page "_vti_inf.html" at the root of your domain.
For
| > > > example -
http://www.mydomainname.com/_vti_inf.html . If the
FrontPage
| > > > configuration page loads then that is your confirmation page. A
"page
| > cannot
| > > > be found" or other such server error would indicate that FPSE needs
to
| > be
| > > > installed or reinstalled by the host.
| > > >
| > > > Good luck.
| > > >
| > > > DavidF
| > > >
| > > > | > > > > Two questions, actually: 1. My forms work on my test site but the
| > in-line
| > > > > tabs are slightly askew. I entered all text boxes, check boxes,
| > option
| > > > > buttons, list boxes and text areas sequentially, but navigating
the
| > form I
| > > > > find skipping some form controls and going back to them later with
| > tabs.
| > > > I
| > > > > then took David B's advice and went back through clicking each
form
| > > > control
| > > > > and clicking "bring to front". But the result was the same. This
is
| > a
| > > > minor
| > > > > point, since this particular form will likely be point and click
by
| > the
| > > > user
| > > > > instead of tabbing anyway. But the confirmation has the same
error --
| > of
| > > > > course -- with items out of sequence. Neither is this a big
problem,
| > > > it's
| > > > > mainly a puzzlement and a minor annoyance. 2. Also regarding
forms.
| > > > Bigger
| > > > > problem My earthlink web host keeps telling me via live chat that
I
| > need
| > > > to
| > > > > upload my pages in ftp. I keep telling them I can't do that.
They
| > keep
| > > > > telling me I have to. Finally someone said since I am saving to
the
| > web
| > > > from
| > > > > my web creator, Publisher, I can go ahead and use the http
protocol.
| > > > Guess
| > > > > what. I don't trust them. I have not tried the upload yet and
won't
| > > > until
| > > > > the middle of the night. Any ideas?
| > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| >
| >
| >
