NEVERMIND THEN

D

Daniel Kaseman

I guess since nobody wants to help me make a database, then I'm not going to
use these "Microsoft Outlook Express Newsgroups" files anymore.

I will still check to see if any of you have helped me. But I'm not goin to
"POST" a new message anymore.

Sincerely,
Daniel
 
D

Dirk Goldgar

Daniel Kaseman said:
I guess since nobody wants to help me make a database, then I'm not
going to use these "Microsoft Outlook Express Newsgroups" files
anymore.

I will still check to see if any of you have helped me. But I'm not
goin to "POST" a new message anymore.

Sincerely,
Daniel

Daniel -

With all respect, you need to learn a bit more about how newsgroups
work. It can take a day or more, upon occasion, for even a well-framed
question to get an answer. Amazingly, sometimes answers come
immediately, but that only happens when someone who knows the answer to
the question happens to be reading the newsgroup just at the moment it
was posted. That's not the kind of response time you should expect.

Further, you must understand that no one is paid to answer questions in
the newsgroups. Rather, people freely give their time to help others.
But there's a difference between asking a specific question, or asking
for help with a well-defined problem, and asking for a complete tutorial
on Microsoft Access, or any other software product. People just don't
have the time to provide that, at least not for free. For a tutorial,
you should at least read the Getting Started section in the program's
help file, and there are many good books and a few tutorial web sites
that you can find.

It's also important to ask newsgroup questions in a way that others can
understand, others who don't know anything about your current knowledge
and the problem you're trying to solve. I read your original question,
which stated only:
I want to make a database.

Point #1:
I have Microsoft Access installed on my computer.

Point #2:
I can go to the Internet Explorer.

Point #3:
When I go to http://www.amazon.com, I can log on using my user name,
and my password. I can also go up and down the page and look at all
the products.

I can't for the life of me figure out the relevance of points 2 and 3 to
point 1, and the statement "I want to make a database." You can't even
begin to make a database until you can state clearly -- to yourself, as
well as to anyone whose aid you seek to enlist -- what information the
database is supposed to record and what functions you want it to
support.

If you can do that, I suggest you try posting again, providing enough
information to allow someone to help you, and narrowing your focus to
one or two simple, specific questions that a person could answer without
writing a book. I'm confident that you will then get helpful answers,
though not likely with the 10-minute turnaround you were originally
expecting.
 
D

Daniel Kaseman

Dear Dirk,

First of all:

The database will be able to show my products and then you can click on them
to order them. As you can see from htttp://www.amazon.com, this is a
perfect axample of what I want it to do.

Your help is appreciated, and I know someone out here will help me with
information how I can make a database for my products.

HTH

Daniel
 
D

Dirk Goldgar

Daniel Kaseman said:
Dear Dirk,

First of all:

The database will be able to show my products and then you can click
on them to order them. As you can see from htttp://www.amazon.com,
this is a perfect axample of what I want it to do.

Are you planning to have people interact with this database and order
products through a web site? That's not at all a trivial project, and
Access may not be the right database product for the purpose, if you
expect to have a high volume of traffic to your web site, or if you need
the database to be up and functioning 24/7.

Whether you use Access to build this database, or some other database
program, if you're building a web interface to it you have to learn both
the database program itself and some version of web programming. So
you've bitten off quite a large mouthful. On the other hand, you may be
able to find some off-the-shelf package that is easily configured to
load up your product list and just go with it. If your main interest is
in getting the web site up and running so you can take orders for your
products, that's probably your best bet.

Amazon.com may be a perfect example of what you want, but Amazon spent a
heck of a lot of money building that site.
 
T

tina

here's information on how you can make a database for your products: start
by learning the principles and methodology of relational data modeling. one
good text is Database Design for Mere Mortals by Michael Hernandez. also see
the numerous links at
http://home.bendbroadband.com/conradsystems/accessjunkie/resources.html
in the Database Design 101 section, normalization.

once you've learned the basics of how to design a relational database,
choose the software you will use to implement the design, then learn how to
use the software. if you choose Access, one good basic text to learn how to
use the software is Microsoft Access <version> Bible by Prague and Irwin.
the above link is again useful, beginning with the Starting Out section.

as you progress through the steps above, and through actually building your
database, these newsgroups are a good resource for asking specific questions
about specific development issues. keep in mind that building *any* database
has a lot more in common with painting an original artwork of Rembrandt
quality, than it has with filling in the spaces in a Paint-By-Number kit.

and, as Dirk suggested, have a realistic expectation of help; the folks who
participate in these newsgroups live all over the world (meaning different
time zones and schedules), we all help each other as best we can, when we
choose, and for free, and we all have our own lives to conduct, so we
generally can't afford to waste time trying to figure out vague, confusing
posts - we just move on to one of the hundreds of daily requests that's
written clearly, gives sufficient detail to understand the situation, and
asks a specific development question or states a very specific development
issue.

hth
 
L

Larry Linson

Almost certainly, there is e-commerce software that you can obtain,
relatively inexpensively, that will handle your needs -- but will not have
to be defined, designed, created, and tested (a process which, even without
the learning curve you'lll obviously have for a database and a web
development toolset, would take substantial time. There are even some
hosting services that include the software for an e-commerce site, and let
you customize the look, feel, and business options.

If you are a "bettin' man", you can wager, without fear of losing, that
Amazon has invested multiple millions in creating, enhancing, and
maintaining their website and database. It is easy to use; which usually
means it was not-so-easy to create.

Larry Linson
Microsoft Access MVP
 
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