No Server Side Code Allowed

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Grant Robertson

I am an experienced computer consultant who has successfully avoided web
or code development for almost 10 years. I know my way around quite a few
things but I haven't used FrontPage since the first version came out. Now
I need to build a simple static web site for my business on a web server
that doesn't allow ANY server side code. I have figured out how to turn
off support for the FrontPage Extensions but I can't find anything to
turn off support for any and all server side code. What is the best way
to create a simple web site using Front Page 2003 that doesn't make use
of ANY server side code? What features should I avoid using? As a
beginner in this, how can I easily tell what is server and client side
code?
 
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Tom Pepper Willett

Do not use any of the features that require the extensions:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;281532
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Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
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http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
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http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/
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| I am an experienced computer consultant who has successfully avoided web
| or code development for almost 10 years. I know my way around quite a few
| things but I haven't used FrontPage since the first version came out. Now
| I need to build a simple static web site for my business on a web server
| that doesn't allow ANY server side code. I have figured out how to turn
| off support for the FrontPage Extensions but I can't find anything to
| turn off support for any and all server side code. What is the best way
| to create a simple web site using Front Page 2003 that doesn't make use
| of ANY server side code? What features should I avoid using? As a
| beginner in this, how can I easily tell what is server and client side
| code?
 
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chris leeds

you may want to look at templates from www.pixelmill.com and the other
template places. you get a lot of bang for your buck with them.

generally they don't use any server side coding.

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Chris Leeds,
Microsoft MVP FrontPage

The email address on this posting is a "black hole". I got tired of all the
spam.
Please feel free to contact me here:
http://nedp.net/contact/
 
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Jens Peter Karlsen[FP-MVP]

If it is JavaScript, it is clientside. If however it is ASP, then it is
Serverside.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Grant Robertson [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 01. august 2004 15:30
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: No Server Side Code Allowed
Subject: No Server Side Code Allowed


I am an experienced computer consultant who has successfully avoided web
or code development for almost 10 years. I know my way around quite a
few things but I haven't used FrontPage since the first version came
out. Now I need to build a simple static web site for my business on a
web server that doesn't allow ANY server side code. I have figured out
how to turn off support for the FrontPage Extensions but I can't find
anything to turn off support for any and all server side code. What is
the best way to create a simple web site using Front Page 2003 that
doesn't make use of ANY server side code? What features should I avoid
using? As a beginner in this, how can I easily tell what is server and
client side code?
 
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Tina Clarke

Grant Robertson said:
I am an experienced computer consultant who has successfully avoided web
or code development for almost 10 years. I know my way around quite a few
things but I haven't used FrontPage since the first version came out. Now
I need to build a simple static web site for my business on a web server
that doesn't allow ANY server side code. I have figured out how to turn
off support for the FrontPage Extensions but I can't find anything to
turn off support for any and all server side code. What is the best way
to create a simple web site using Front Page 2003 that doesn't make use
of ANY server side code? What features should I avoid using? As a
beginner in this, how can I easily tell what is server and client side
code?

Set your compatibility go to Tools | Page Options | Authoring and set the
FrontPage and Sharepoint Technolgies to None.

You can use include pages. When you come to use a bot or shared border they
should be greyed out .. not tested this but...

hth Tina


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Grant Robertson

If it is JavaScript, it is clientside. If however it is ASP, then it is
Serverside.

I know that PHP, ASP, CGI, Perl, .NET and many other things are server
side code. What I don't know is how to identify these types of code
within a web page's source code without actually knowing how to code in
these languages. Is there some kind of tag that identifies each type of
code within a page?

So far I am pretty sure that Java, JavaScript, and JScript are client
side code but I don't know for sure if there is a possibility for some
Java code to be server side code instead. And how would I tell without
being able to read all the code and know what it is actually doing?
 
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Curt J Raddatz

While the other posts in this thread are good in providing the answer to
your question, I think you're beeing very shortsighted about this. Even if
you are successful getting your simple static web site running, as soon as
you do you'll want to do other stuff - forms, hit counter, etc. These all
require server-side code. To limit yourself in this way is just insane when
there are several inexpensive web hosting services out there that will allow
you to use these technologies. A little forward thinking now will save you
a lot of grief later.
 
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Thomas A. Rowe

You have to study up on the various technologies. In general you can tell by the file extensions if
it is running server-side script.

http://www.ycoln-design.com/WebTechNotes/TechNotes.asp

Using FP, it will use JavaScript (client-side) for interactive functions.


--
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Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
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Grant Robertson

While the other posts in this thread are good in providing the answer to
your question, I think you're beeing very shortsighted about this. Even if
you are successful getting your simple static web site running, as soon as
you do you'll want to do other stuff - forms, hit counter, etc. These all
require server-side code. To limit yourself in this way is just insane when
there are several inexpensive web hosting services out there that will allow
you to use these technologies. A little forward thinking now will save you
a lot of grief later.

Actually, three out of four posts told me something I had already stated
that I knew in my original post.

And thank you for telling me that I am insane for trying to live within
the limits of my ISP. At this point I cannot afford any other hosting.
Also, I have been meaning to set up a web site for almost three years but
have never gotten around to it. I know this is going to take me a long
time to get up to speed on because we have a new baby coming and lots of
other issues to deal with at this time. Therefore, it is not within my
budget (financially or chronologically) to sign up for hosting now, only
to have it lay dormant for another few months to a year. I need to get
SOMETHING up in the space I have available to me and that space can not
run any server side code.

When I AM ready to add additional functionality I intend to get a static
IP address and set up an IIS server in my home. I have a Microsoft Action
Pack subscription so I have several licenses for Windows Server 2003,
including one for the web server edition. However, I do not have the time
or money to figure all that out at this time. So, for now, I am stuck
with a static site on my ISP's server.

I can tell you right now I would much rather be using DreamWeaver MX 2004
than FrontPage. Until 2 days ago I had the chance to save $100 on it but
my wife talked me into sticking with FrontPage because I already owned
it. Now, in my first day of really studying how to use FrontPage I see
that I can't even create a link bar without the FrontPage Extensions.
Forms, hit counters, etc. are all easily done without the FrontPage
Extensions using DreamWeaver. Granted they require server side code but
not the FP Extensions. A link bar is nothing more than a row of pictures
with links attached to them. It shouldn't require any server side code at
all. But if I use FrontPage to create one then it won't run on a server
without the PF Extensions.


Obviously, I AM insane and completely without foresight, as you say,
because I thought for a second that I could get anything at all done
using FrontPage without getting trapped into needing a server with the FP
Extensions. Now that I have missed my deadline for DreamWeaver I am
stuck. And with the kind of help I am getting in here I expect I will be
completely on my own figuring out what Microsoft really doesn't want me
to know.
 
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Grant Robertson

You have to study up on the various technologies. In general you can tell by the file extensions if
it is running server-side script.

http://www.ycoln-design.com/WebTechNotes/TechNotes.asp

Using FP, it will use JavaScript (client-side) for interactive functions.

So, basically, I have to learn all about every possible type of code then
comb through the source of every page that FP creates looking for code I
can recognize as server side code just to make sure FrontPage doesn't
include any without telling me. Now that sounds incredibly handy. That
would be the first thing I would include on my list of features for an
easy to use web site design tool. NOT!
 
M

Murray

Grant:

You could use the same methods in FP that you may have already used in
Dreamweaver to build your menu - without invoking any server code.

Simple show-hide layers, with a closer layer can bang out just about any
menu you want....
 
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Thomas A. Rowe

Grant,

FP with the exception of the webbot only generates JavaScript, which is client side.

Here is a link to the FP features that require the FP extensions on the remote server, if you don't
use any of them, then you will not need the extensions, also depending on the version of FP, you can
set FP to not allow the use of any function that requires the FP extensions on the remote server,
see Tools | Page Options or Authoring Options depending on your version of FP.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;281532&Product=fp2002

FP is can be use to create any web site that Dreamweaver or any other HTML editor application can
create.

I regularly build web sites and do not use Themes, Shared Borders, FP generated Navigation,
discussion web, guest book, or hit counter, etc. but I do use ASP.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
 
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Tom Pepper Willett

I gave him the info and link to server extensions a few days ago ;-)

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===
Tom "Pepper" Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
About FrontPage 2003:
http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
FrontPage 2003 Product Information:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
Understanding FrontPage:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/
FrontPage 2002 Server Extensions Support Center:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;en-us;fp10se
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| Grant,
|
| FP with the exception of the webbot only generates JavaScript, which is
client side.
|
| Here is a link to the FP features that require the FP extensions on the
remote server, if you don't
| use any of them, then you will not need the extensions, also depending on
the version of FP, you can
| set FP to not allow the use of any function that requires the FP
extensions on the remote server,
| see Tools | Page Options or Authoring Options depending on your version of
FP.
|
|
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;281532&Product=fp2002
|
| FP is can be use to create any web site that Dreamweaver or any other HTML
editor application can
| create.
|
| I regularly build web sites and do not use Themes, Shared Borders, FP
generated Navigation,
| discussion web, guest book, or hit counter, etc. but I do use ASP.
|
| --
| ==============================================
| Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
|
| FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| ==============================================
| To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
|
| > In article <#[email protected]>, [email protected]
| > says...
| > > You have to study up on the various technologies. In general you can
tell by the file extensions
| if
| > > it is running server-side script.
| > >
| > > http://www.ycoln-design.com/WebTechNotes/TechNotes.asp
| > >
| > > Using FP, it will use JavaScript (client-side) for interactive
functions.
| >
| > So, basically, I have to learn all about every possible type of code
then
| > comb through the source of every page that FP creates looking for code I
| > can recognize as server side code just to make sure FrontPage doesn't
| > include any without telling me. Now that sounds incredibly handy. That
| > would be the first thing I would include on my list of features for an
| > easy to use web site design tool. NOT!
|
|
 
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John Jansen \(MSFT\)

Just one side note. I haven't read through all the different posts on this
thread, but you key in on one important point that I would like to
emphasize:

Yes, you can insert a hit counter very easily without the Server Extensions
using Dreamweaver, but as you say: it requires Server-Side code.

The Server Extensions were originally designed because of this very
limitation, and they do not require server-side code.

Basically, for functionality that is dynamic (such as a hit counter) you
either need server-side code, or some type of technology that does what that
code would do, but without the overhead of actually writing the code itself:
and so we wrote web bots. These bots require the server extensions because
the extensions do the work that would otherwise be done by the server-side
code.

That said, from Tools > Page Options > Authoring, you can uncheck the box
for Active Server Pages and uncheck the box for Browse-Time Web Components,
and I believe that you will be authoring pages in conformance to your ISP.
If your situation changes, you can then reenter this dialog and re-enable
these features.

I would highly recommend you use the Layers and Behaviors taskpane which
generates JavaScript exclusively. You can also use 3rd party add-ins for
menus without needing to go server-side. Your complaint about Navigation
bars is taken to heart: but in order to generate the required images, text,
and pages, the extensions are needed.
 
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