OEM vs retail

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Personally, I would never buy Office pre-installed. Why go

thru a vendor/manufacturer to get a product you can buy off
the shelf? There are so many posts on (oem installation of
Office) problems, and most people are suprised that they
have to contact the manufacturer for help. Lost cd's/product
key codes, etc...

for further reference, do a search on the Office groups for oem.

Chris Schatte
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In Office System 2003 applications:
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Well, in my case at least, I knew enough to be certain the
the actual CD's came with the system when I bought it; XP,
Office, etc.. In fact, that's the reason I bought from
Gateway instead of Dell: GW let me customize the way I
wanted to and to not have to pay for the crap I didn't want.
That it was installed seemed, and still does, a great
convenience as long as it came with the actual CDs, which it
did. The CD's are in no way tied to the hardware - nothing
was activated - and as planned I"ve been able to move it
around as I wished.

But, back to my question: It's not very important to me
what you would personally do or what your opinion of what I
did happens to me. I'm more in whether you can anwer my
question. Can you? If not, I'm not sure why you responded?
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Pop,
Personally, I would never buy Office pre-installed. Why go

thru a vendor/manufacturer to get a product you can buy off
the shelf? There are so many posts on (oem installation of
Office) problems, and most people are suprised that they
have to contact the manufacturer for help. Lost cd's/product
key codes, etc...

for further reference, do a search on the Office groups for oem.

Chris Schatte
--
use the Office Online web based newsreader here:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/community/en-us/default.mspx
In Office System 2003 applications:
Help/Assistance Pane/open Communities

Well, in my case at least, I knew enough to be certain the
the actual CD's came with the system when I bought it; XP,
Office, etc.. In fact, that's the reason I bought from
Gateway instead of Dell: GW let me customize the way I
wanted to and to not have to pay for the crap I didn't want.
That it was installed seemed, and still does, a great
convenience as long as it came with the actual CDs, which it
did. The CD's are in no way tied to the hardware - nothing
was activated - and as planned I"ve been able to move it
around as I wished.

But, back to my question: It's not very important to me
what you would personally do or what your opinion of what I
did happens to me. I'm more in whether you can anwer my
question. Can you? If not, I'm not sure why you responded?
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Yeah, same here, all the way back to windows 3.0 in fact.
However, it's really only since the XP days that they
managed to get really snotty with things at MS. I"ve never
lost anything, permanently anyway, but today the stuff's
getting expensive enough to be prepared for problems. Off
the shelf is OK, as Chris mentioned, but I'm dumb, not
stupid: I buy where I get what I want, at the best cost and
most reliability. And 99% of the time, that's preinstalled
when I'm upgrading both sw and a system.
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Yeah, same here, all the way back to windows 3.0 in fact.
However, it's really only since the XP days that they
managed to get really snotty with things at MS. I"ve never
lost anything, permanently anyway, but today the stuff's
getting expensive enough to be prepared for problems. Off
the shelf is OK, as Chris mentioned, but I'm dumb, not
stupid: I buy where I get what I want, at the best cost and
most reliability. And 99% of the time, that's preinstalled
when I'm upgrading both sw and a system.
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Yeah, same here, all the way back to windows 3.0 in fact.
However, it's really only since the XP days that they
managed to get really snotty with things at MS. I"ve never
lost anything, permanently anyway, but today the stuff's
getting expensive enough to be prepared for problems. Off
the shelf is OK, as Chris mentioned, but I'm dumb, not
stupid: I buy where I get what I want, at the best cost and
most reliability. And 99% of the time, that's preinstalled
when I'm upgrading both sw and a system.
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Yeah, same here, all the way back to windows 3.0 in fact.
However, it's really only since the XP days that they
managed to get really snotty with things at MS. I"ve never
lost anything, permanently anyway, but today the stuff's
getting expensive enough to be prepared for problems. Off
the shelf is OK, as Chris mentioned, but I'm dumb, not
stupid: I buy where I get what I want, at the best cost and
most reliability. And 99% of the time, that's preinstalled
when I'm upgrading both sw and a system.
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It's pretty obvious this one's a waste of time; not even a
reference to the question I posted, just already-known
information that's no help.
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Brucefl,
OEM installations:
install on the original system only, at end of system life

cannot (by license agreement) be moved to another.

Retail:
Office 2003, allows for desktop and notebook installation,

at end of system life/lives, install on new, etc, etc...

 

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It's pretty obvious this one's a waste of time; not even a
reference to the question I posted, just already-known
information that's no help.
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Brucefl,
OEM installations:
install on the original system only, at end of system life

cannot (by license agreement) be moved to another.

Retail:
Office 2003, allows for desktop and notebook installation,

at end of system life/lives, install on new, etc, etc...

 

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It's pretty obvious this one's a waste of time; not even a
reference to the question I posted, just already-known
information that's no help.
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Brucefl,
OEM installations:
install on the original system only, at end of system life

cannot (by license agreement) be moved to another.

Retail:
Office 2003, allows for desktop and notebook installation,

at end of system life/lives, install on new, etc, etc...

 

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It's pretty obvious this one's a waste of time; not even a
reference to the question I posted, just already-known
information that's no help.
Pop

Brucefl,
OEM installations:
install on the original system only, at end of system life

cannot (by license agreement) be moved to another.

Retail:
Office 2003, allows for desktop and notebook installation,

at end of system life/lives, install on new, etc, etc...

 

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It's pretty obvious this one's a waste of time; not even a
reference to the question I posted, just already-known
information that's no help.
Pop

Brucefl,
OEM installations:
install on the original system only, at end of system life

cannot (by license agreement) be moved to another.

Retail:
Office 2003, allows for desktop and notebook installation,

at end of system life/lives, install on new, etc, etc...

 

[Pop]

It's pretty obvious this one's a waste of time; not even a
reference to the question I posted, just already-known
information that's no help.
Pop

Brucefl,
OEM installations:
install on the original system only, at end of system life

cannot (by license agreement) be moved to another.

Retail:
Office 2003, allows for desktop and notebook installation,

at end of system life/lives, install on new, etc, etc...

 

[Pop]

It's pretty obvious this one's a waste of time; not even a
reference to the question I posted, just already-known
information that's no help.
Pop

Brucefl,
OEM installations:
install on the original system only, at end of system life

cannot (by license agreement) be moved to another.

Retail:
Office 2003, allows for desktop and notebook installation,

at end of system life/lives, install on new, etc, etc...

 

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Gateway, obviously. All support - including replacement discs and media is
the responsibility of the OEM (whatever Gateway says). Read the EULA (you do
know what that is, don't you?) You can find it by doin Help > About from any
Office app.

I know exactly what the EULA is, and I also know what many
of them say, plus they were provided with my CDs. That's
exactly why I made the point I did: It's not nearly as
obvious as you seem to think it is,and you did nothing to
add any clarity.

So, uhh, I take it you have no actual experience and think
you know it's going to be Gateway, but you did nothing to
give any validity to your comment other than take on a
condescending attitude and preparing to piss all over the
table, IMO.

I guess I'll take the surer route and go to both Gateway and
MS and see what happens. I'll report back the results when
I get them, and if you don't care about that, well, OK,
don't read them. It's no skin off my nose.

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Gateway, obviously. All support - including replacement discs and media is
the responsibility of the OEM (whatever Gateway says). Read the EULA (you do
know what that is, don't you?) You can find it by doin Help > About from any
Office app.

I know exactly what the EULA is, and I also know what many
of them say, plus they were provided with my CDs. That's
exactly why I made the point I did: It's not nearly as
obvious as you seem to think it is,and you did nothing to
add any clarity.

So, uhh, I take it you have no actual experience and think
you know it's going to be Gateway, but you did nothing to
give any validity to your comment other than take on a
condescending attitude and preparing to piss all over the
table, IMO.

I guess I'll take the surer route and go to both Gateway and
MS and see what happens. I'll report back the results when
I get them, and if you don't care about that, well, OK,
don't read them. It's no skin off my nose.

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Gateway, obviously. All support - including replacement discs and media is
the responsibility of the OEM (whatever Gateway says). Read the EULA (you do
know what that is, don't you?) You can find it by doin Help > About from any
Office app.

I know exactly what the EULA is, and I also know what many
of them say, plus they were provided with my CDs. That's
exactly why I made the point I did: It's not nearly as
obvious as you seem to think it is,and you did nothing to
add any clarity.

So, uhh, I take it you have no actual experience and think
you know it's going to be Gateway, but you did nothing to
give any validity to your comment other than take on a
condescending attitude and preparing to piss all over the
table, IMO.

I guess I'll take the surer route and go to both Gateway and
MS and see what happens. I'll report back the results when
I get them, and if you don't care about that, well, OK,
don't read them. It's no skin off my nose.

Pop

 

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Gateway, obviously. All support - including replacement discs and media is
the responsibility of the OEM (whatever Gateway says). Read the EULA (you do
know what that is, don't you?) You can find it by doin Help > About from any
Office app.

I know exactly what the EULA is, and I also know what many
of them say, plus they were provided with my CDs. That's
exactly why I made the point I did: It's not nearly as
obvious as you seem to think it is,and you did nothing to
add any clarity.

So, uhh, I take it you have no actual experience and think
you know it's going to be Gateway, but you did nothing to
give any validity to your comment other than take on a
condescending attitude and preparing to piss all over the
table, IMO.

I guess I'll take the surer route and go to both Gateway and
MS and see what happens. I'll report back the results when
I get them, and if you don't care about that, well, OK,
don't read them. It's no skin off my nose.

Pop

 

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Gateway, obviously. All support - including replacement discs and media is
the responsibility of the OEM (whatever Gateway says). Read the EULA (you do
know what that is, don't you?) You can find it by doin Help > About from any
Office app.

I know exactly what the EULA is, and I also know what many
of them say, plus they were provided with my CDs. That's
exactly why I made the point I did: It's not nearly as
obvious as you seem to think it is,and you did nothing to
add any clarity.

So, uhh, I take it you have no actual experience and think
you know it's going to be Gateway, but you did nothing to
give any validity to your comment other than take on a
condescending attitude and preparing to piss all over the
table, IMO.

I guess I'll take the surer route and go to both Gateway and
MS and see what happens. I'll report back the results when
I get them, and if you don't care about that, well, OK,
don't read them. It's no skin off my nose.

Pop

 

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Gateway, obviously. All support - including replacement discs and media is
the responsibility of the OEM (whatever Gateway says). Read the EULA (you do
know what that is, don't you?) You can find it by doin Help > About from any
Office app.

I know exactly what the EULA is, and I also know what many
of them say, plus they were provided with my CDs. That's
exactly why I made the point I did: It's not nearly as
obvious as you seem to think it is,and you did nothing to
add any clarity.

So, uhh, I take it you have no actual experience and think
you know it's going to be Gateway, but you did nothing to
give any validity to your comment other than take on a
condescending attitude and preparing to piss all over the
table, IMO.

I guess I'll take the surer route and go to both Gateway and
MS and see what happens. I'll report back the results when
I get them, and if you don't care about that, well, OK,
don't read them. It's no skin off my nose.

Pop

 

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Gateway, obviously. All support - including replacement discs and media is
the responsibility of the OEM (whatever Gateway says). Read the EULA (you do
know what that is, don't you?) You can find it by doin Help > About from any
Office app.

I know exactly what the EULA is, and I also know what many
of them say, plus they were provided with my CDs. That's
exactly why I made the point I did: It's not nearly as
obvious as you seem to think it is,and you did nothing to
add any clarity.

So, uhh, I take it you have no actual experience and think
you know it's going to be Gateway, but you did nothing to
give any validity to your comment other than take on a
condescending attitude and preparing to piss all over the
table, IMO.

I guess I'll take the surer route and go to both Gateway and
MS and see what happens. I'll report back the results when
I get them, and if you don't care about that, well, OK,
don't read them. It's no skin off my nose.

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