Office 3007

K

Ken

I have just updated to MS Office 2007 and due to poor eyesight and also
disabbled I am having trouble finding the Help button and also how do change
from Blue web page.

Can anyone help please

Thanks

Ken
 
S

Susan Ramlet

Hi, Ken,

The Help button is (sadly) a tiny, blue-on-blue question mark in the upper
right of the applications. You can also use F1 on the keyboard to access
help in just about any Microsoft application.

In Help, there are several topics on Accessibility, both in Windows and in
the applications themselves. The information on the specific applications
mostly talks about how to use different input (keyboard versus mouse).

This page might help you get more information on what options can be set:

http://www.microsoft.com/enable

There are links to accessibility features in Office 2007 and Windows on the
right-hand side of the page.

Hope that helps.

--
--
Susan Ramlet
MVP - Office

Please reply to the newsgroup. I cannot respond to private requests for
help. Besides, then the community doesn't benefit from your question!
 
D

db

in addition to the other suggestions:

the overall resolution of the monitor
can be changed as well.

it you go to the "display control panel"
then under the settings tab you can
increase the entire viewing area by
selecting a "lower screen resolution".

the mouse can also be altered in
a beneficial manner as well via
the mouse control panel and selecting
a different mouse scheme

I have just updated to MS Office 2007 and due to poor eyesight and also
disabbled I am having trouble finding the Help button and also how do change
from Blue web page.

Can anyone help please

Thanks

Ken
 
L

LVTravel

Of course, this is a bad suggestion for someone on a laptop or using an LCD
monitor on their desktop. LCD screens are best viewed at its native
resolution. If those resolutions are not used the monitor will become
distorted and in some cases unreadable.
"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
in addition to the other suggestions:

the overall resolution of the monitor
can be changed as well.

it you go to the "display control panel"
then under the settings tab you can
increase the entire viewing area by
selecting a "lower screen resolution".

the mouse can also be altered in
a beneficial manner as well via
the mouse control panel and selecting
a different mouse scheme

I have just updated to MS Office 2007 and due to poor eyesight and also
disabbled I am having trouble finding the Help button and also how do change
from Blue web page.

Can anyone help please

Thanks

Ken
 
D

db

native is another word for
default. fortunately, windows
is about having the options
to customize.

if your rationale was valid,
then features like the windows
magnifier would be a
problem as you believe.

additionally, your rationale
doesn't work for high end
video boards with an
array of features that can
be used by desktops with
lcd or standard monitors.

fortunately and unlike yourself,
i am confident that the o.p.
recognizes distortions
and won't sit at a monitor looking
at a unreadiable display simply
because i made a suggestion
to use a windows feature that
provides the o.p. with a small
amount of time to view the new
resolution and keep it or revert back.

the suggestions i provided
are reasonable and within
the functionality of windows and
windows ready hardware.

but in fairness, the problem you
mention may be a result of not
having enough resources reserved
for video/display. but this is likely
an issue with configuration.

Of course, this is a bad suggestion for someone on a laptop or using an LCD
monitor on their desktop. LCD screens are best viewed at its native
resolution. If those resolutions are not used the monitor will become
distorted and in some cases unreadable.
"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
in addition to the other suggestions:

the overall resolution of the monitor
can be changed as well.

it you go to the "display control panel"
then under the settings tab you can
increase the entire viewing area by
selecting a "lower screen resolution".

the mouse can also be altered in
a beneficial manner as well via
the mouse control panel and selecting
a different mouse scheme

I have just updated to MS Office 2007 and due to poor eyesight and also
disabbled I am having trouble finding the Help button and also how do change
from Blue web page.

Can anyone help please

Thanks

Ken
 
L

LVTravel

Native is not the same as default. Native in this respect is what is
designed into a piece of hardware, that in this case may be changed, but
normally is not the desired functionality. Default is what the operator
sets in a device that the computer uses each time but it may reduce
functionality. The monitor manufacturer creates a native resolution of a
LCD monitor but the user sets the default resolution sent to the monitor by
using the video adapter. Yes, Windows is about customization but sometimes
the customization that is available in Windows doesn't give the results that
are desired.

Windows magnifier is NOT the same as changing the resolution of the monitor.
It still puts the "enlarged" image on the screen at the adapter specified
resolution but you lose part of the screen.

From this web site:
http://news.digitaltrends.com/featured_article6_page2.html

"When Bigger is Actually Smaller

While CRT displays can be adjusted to the user's preference in resolution
settings, LCDs only look good and operate properly in their native
resolution. This is the "sweet spot" of the LCD - the resolution it was
meant to be used at.
And this is where most LCD owners, especially those that purchase new
laptops, have the most issues with their displays. The problem is that the
higher the native resolution of an LCD more information can fit on the
screen, making text and graphics appear smaller. This is the converse of
what many laptop buyers want - most think that buying a larger screen with a
higher resolution will allow them to see their desktop as larger. This,
however, is not the case. A higher resolution means that there are more
pixels per inch, making everything smaller, but giving the desktop more
room."


From Dell's web site about half way down entitled "Choosing an LCD
Resolution"

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/vectors/en/2002_lcd?c=us&l=en&s=corp

"While the overall appearance of documents and photos is greatly improved as
the ppi increases, fonts, icons, and graphic elements that make up the user
interface become smaller. Text that is readable on a 15-inch XGA panel can
be more difficult to read on a 15-inch UXGA panel. When faced with this
issue on a UXGA panel, a user's first instinct is to enlarge the text by
changing the resolution from UXGA to a lower resolution such as XGA.
However, lowering the resolution of a UXGA panel reduces the crispness and
clarity of displayed text. This is because each LCD has an optimal "native
resolution" and LCDs do not scale between resolutions as cleanly as CRTs."

So, in other words, it isn't the driving hardware, video adapter or its
settings, but the receiving hardware, the monitor, in this case that can't
be changed cleanly, just as my original post stated.

You have given proper advice for a person for a person with a CRT monitor
but definitely improper advice for someone with a laptop or LCD monitor.

Had you read the OPs post you would have read that the OP "due to poor
eyesight" may not recognize that the monitor is actually distorted at a
non-native resolution.

One other thing, most people post in newsgroups in plain text not in HTML as
you are doing. There are newsreaders out there that won't read the HTML
that you are posting. When a responder clicks on "reply group" the HTML is
carried over to the replier's post and needs to be changed to plain text.
Yes, it is a feature of Windows to be able to post with OE in HTML to a
newsgroup but it isn't the proper thing to do.

"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
native is another word for
default. fortunately, windows
is about having the options
to customize.

if your rationale was valid,
then features like the windows
magnifier would be a
problem as you believe.

additionally, your rationale
doesn't work for high end
video boards with an
array of features that can
be used by desktops with
lcd or standard monitors.

fortunately and unlike yourself,
i am confident that the o.p.
recognizes distortions
and won't sit at a monitor looking
at a unreadiable display simply
because i made a suggestion
to use a windows feature that
provides the o.p. with a small
amount of time to view the new
resolution and keep it or revert back.

the suggestions i provided
are reasonable and within
the functionality of windows and
windows ready hardware.

but in fairness, the problem you
mention may be a result of not
having enough resources reserved
for video/display. but this is likely
an issue with configuration.

Of course, this is a bad suggestion for someone on a laptop or using an LCD
monitor on their desktop. LCD screens are best viewed at its native
resolution. If those resolutions are not used the monitor will become
distorted and in some cases unreadable.
"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
in addition to the other suggestions:

the overall resolution of the monitor
can be changed as well.

it you go to the "display control panel"
then under the settings tab you can
increase the entire viewing area by
selecting a "lower screen resolution".

the mouse can also be altered in
a beneficial manner as well via
the mouse control panel and selecting
a different mouse scheme

I have just updated to MS Office 2007 and due to poor eyesight and also
disabbled I am having trouble finding the Help button and also how do change
from Blue web page.

Can anyone help please

Thanks

Ken
 
D

db

the o.p.'s question
is simple.

further, if the o.p. is not happy with the
results of a different resolution
then the o.p. can select
whatever works best. my suggestion
is just that "a suggestion".

i don't appreciate wasting any time
reading your overstated verbiage
on this matter. however, what i have
read it is obvious that you think
the o.p. is somekind of an idiot and
you think that i / we don't know your
personality type.

however, i would suggest to you
that since you feel
so strongly about this issue,
send your hard work and research to
the microsoft programmers.

that way they can rewrite their
billion dollar software and remove
the custom resolution feature.

in conclusion if you have a
better suggestion then provide
one to the o.p, however, it is because
we understand your personality type that
the other readers know if you had a better
suggestion then you would have provided
one; even if it meant reiterating and
supporting another responders.

otherwise your argument with me is petty
and over compensating for an otherwise
simplistic question by the o.p..



Native is not the same as default. Native in this respect is what is
designed into a piece of hardware, that in this case may be changed, but
normally is not the desired functionality. Default is what the operator
sets in a device that the computer uses each time but it may reduce
functionality. The monitor manufacturer creates a native resolution of a
LCD monitor but the user sets the default resolution sent to the monitor by
using the video adapter. Yes, Windows is about customization but sometimes
the customization that is available in Windows doesn't give the results that
are desired.

Windows magnifier is NOT the same as changing the resolution of the monitor.
It still puts the "enlarged" image on the screen at the adapter specified
resolution but you lose part of the screen.

From this web site:
http://news.digitaltrends.com/featured_article6_page2.html

"When Bigger is Actually Smaller

While CRT displays can be adjusted to the user's preference in resolution
settings, LCDs only look good and operate properly in their native
resolution. This is the "sweet spot" of the LCD - the resolution it was
meant to be used at.
And this is where most LCD owners, especially those that purchase new
laptops, have the most issues with their displays. The problem is that the
higher the native resolution of an LCD more information can fit on the
screen, making text and graphics appear smaller. This is the converse of
what many laptop buyers want - most think that buying a larger screen with a
higher resolution will allow them to see their desktop as larger. This,
however, is not the case. A higher resolution means that there are more
pixels per inch, making everything smaller, but giving the desktop more
room."


From Dell's web site about half way down entitled "Choosing an LCD
Resolution"

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/vectors/en/2002_lcd?c=us&l=en&s=corp

"While the overall appearance of documents and photos is greatly improved as
the ppi increases, fonts, icons, and graphic elements that make up the user
interface become smaller. Text that is readable on a 15-inch XGA panel can
be more difficult to read on a 15-inch UXGA panel. When faced with this
issue on a UXGA panel, a user's first instinct is to enlarge the text by
changing the resolution from UXGA to a lower resolution such as XGA.
However, lowering the resolution of a UXGA panel reduces the crispness and
clarity of displayed text. This is because each LCD has an optimal "native
resolution" and LCDs do not scale between resolutions as cleanly as CRTs."

So, in other words, it isn't the driving hardware, video adapter or its
settings, but the receiving hardware, the monitor, in this case that can't
be changed cleanly, just as my original post stated.

You have given proper advice for a person for a person with a CRT monitor
but definitely improper advice for someone with a laptop or LCD monitor.

Had you read the OPs post you would have read that the OP "due to poor
eyesight" may not recognize that the monitor is actually distorted at a
non-native resolution.

One other thing, most people post in newsgroups in plain text not in HTML as
you are doing. There are newsreaders out there that won't read the HTML
that you are posting. When a responder clicks on "reply group" the HTML is
carried over to the replier's post and needs to be changed to plain text.
Yes, it is a feature of Windows to be able to post with OE in HTML to a
newsgroup but it isn't the proper thing to do.

"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
native is another word for
default. fortunately, windows
is about having the options
to customize.

if your rationale was valid,
then features like the windows
magnifier would be a
problem as you believe.

additionally, your rationale
doesn't work for high end
video boards with an
array of features that can
be used by desktops with
lcd or standard monitors.

fortunately and unlike yourself,
i am confident that the o.p.
recognizes distortions
and won't sit at a monitor looking
at a unreadiable display simply
because i made a suggestion
to use a windows feature that
provides the o.p. with a small
amount of time to view the new
resolution and keep it or revert back.

the suggestions i provided
are reasonable and within
the functionality of windows and
windows ready hardware.

but in fairness, the problem you
mention may be a result of not
having enough resources reserved
for video/display. but this is likely
an issue with configuration.

Of course, this is a bad suggestion for someone on a laptop or using an LCD
monitor on their desktop. LCD screens are best viewed at its native
resolution. If those resolutions are not used the monitor will become
distorted and in some cases unreadable.
"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
in addition to the other suggestions:

the overall resolution of the monitor
can be changed as well.

it you go to the "display control panel"
then under the settings tab you can
increase the entire viewing area by
selecting a "lower screen resolution".

the mouse can also be altered in
a beneficial manner as well via
the mouse control panel and selecting
a different mouse scheme

I have just updated to MS Office 2007 and due to poor eyesight and also
disabbled I am having trouble finding the Help button and also how do change
from Blue web page.

Can anyone help please

Thanks

Ken
 
L

LVTravel

My, my, testy aren't we!

I am not the one being overly "verbiage" in this. I stated that your
suggestion was potentially wrong. Many posts to this and other newgroups
show people trying to clear up screens that are fuzzy because they changed
the resolution on their LCD display. The second post was to support my
original statements in response to your obvious incorrect suggestion,
depending on customer's equipment, that you defended in you second post.

While I don't know what you mean by "don't know your personality type" when
you said it other than I am someone trying to correct a potentially
incorrect statement made in a post. You, on the other hand take things too
personally. You have obviously not read my second post but that doesn't
matter. My position stands on the LCD resolution matter that I brought to
the attention of anyone reading the thread and I have posted supporting
documnents to that effect. I don't think anyone is an idiot until they
prove to me that they, in fact, are! If the shoe fits!




"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
the o.p.'s question
is simple.

further, if the o.p. is not happy with the
results of a different resolution
then the o.p. can select
whatever works best. my suggestion
is just that "a suggestion".

i don't appreciate wasting any time
reading your overstated verbiage
on this matter. however, what i have
read it is obvious that you think
the o.p. is somekind of an idiot and
you think that i / we don't know your
personality type.

however, i would suggest to you
that since you feel
so strongly about this issue,
send your hard work and research to
the microsoft programmers.

that way they can rewrite their
billion dollar software and remove
the custom resolution feature.

in conclusion if you have a
better suggestion then provide
one to the o.p, however, it is because
we understand your personality type that
the other readers know if you had a better
suggestion then you would have provided
one; even if it meant reiterating and
supporting another responders.

otherwise your argument with me is petty
and over compensating for an otherwise
simplistic question by the o.p..



Native is not the same as default. Native in this respect is what is
designed into a piece of hardware, that in this case may be changed, but
normally is not the desired functionality. Default is what the operator
sets in a device that the computer uses each time but it may reduce
functionality. The monitor manufacturer creates a native resolution of a
LCD monitor but the user sets the default resolution sent to the monitor by
using the video adapter. Yes, Windows is about customization but sometimes
the customization that is available in Windows doesn't give the results that
are desired.

Windows magnifier is NOT the same as changing the resolution of the monitor.
It still puts the "enlarged" image on the screen at the adapter specified
resolution but you lose part of the screen.

From this web site:
http://news.digitaltrends.com/featured_article6_page2.html

"When Bigger is Actually Smaller

While CRT displays can be adjusted to the user's preference in resolution
settings, LCDs only look good and operate properly in their native
resolution. This is the "sweet spot" of the LCD - the resolution it was
meant to be used at.
And this is where most LCD owners, especially those that purchase new
laptops, have the most issues with their displays. The problem is that the
higher the native resolution of an LCD more information can fit on the
screen, making text and graphics appear smaller. This is the converse of
what many laptop buyers want - most think that buying a larger screen with a
higher resolution will allow them to see their desktop as larger. This,
however, is not the case. A higher resolution means that there are more
pixels per inch, making everything smaller, but giving the desktop more
room."


From Dell's web site about half way down entitled "Choosing an LCD
Resolution"

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/vectors/en/2002_lcd?c=us&l=en&s=corp

"While the overall appearance of documents and photos is greatly improved as
the ppi increases, fonts, icons, and graphic elements that make up the user
interface become smaller. Text that is readable on a 15-inch XGA panel can
be more difficult to read on a 15-inch UXGA panel. When faced with this
issue on a UXGA panel, a user's first instinct is to enlarge the text by
changing the resolution from UXGA to a lower resolution such as XGA.
However, lowering the resolution of a UXGA panel reduces the crispness and
clarity of displayed text. This is because each LCD has an optimal "native
resolution" and LCDs do not scale between resolutions as cleanly as CRTs."

So, in other words, it isn't the driving hardware, video adapter or its
settings, but the receiving hardware, the monitor, in this case that can't
be changed cleanly, just as my original post stated.

You have given proper advice for a person for a person with a CRT monitor
but definitely improper advice for someone with a laptop or LCD monitor.

Had you read the OPs post you would have read that the OP "due to poor
eyesight" may not recognize that the monitor is actually distorted at a
non-native resolution.

One other thing, most people post in newsgroups in plain text not in HTML as
you are doing. There are newsreaders out there that won't read the HTML
that you are posting. When a responder clicks on "reply group" the HTML is
carried over to the replier's post and needs to be changed to plain text.
Yes, it is a feature of Windows to be able to post with OE in HTML to a
newsgroup but it isn't the proper thing to do.

"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
native is another word for
default. fortunately, windows
is about having the options
to customize.

if your rationale was valid,
then features like the windows
magnifier would be a
problem as you believe.

additionally, your rationale
doesn't work for high end
video boards with an
array of features that can
be used by desktops with
lcd or standard monitors.

fortunately and unlike yourself,
i am confident that the o.p.
recognizes distortions
and won't sit at a monitor looking
at a unreadiable display simply
because i made a suggestion
to use a windows feature that
provides the o.p. with a small
amount of time to view the new
resolution and keep it or revert back.

the suggestions i provided
are reasonable and within
the functionality of windows and
windows ready hardware.

but in fairness, the problem you
mention may be a result of not
having enough resources reserved
for video/display. but this is likely
an issue with configuration.

Of course, this is a bad suggestion for someone on a laptop or using an LCD
monitor on their desktop. LCD screens are best viewed at its native
resolution. If those resolutions are not used the monitor will become
distorted and in some cases unreadable.
"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
in addition to the other suggestions:

the overall resolution of the monitor
can be changed as well.

it you go to the "display control panel"
then under the settings tab you can
increase the entire viewing area by
selecting a "lower screen resolution".

the mouse can also be altered in
a beneficial manner as well via
the mouse control panel and selecting
a different mouse scheme

I have just updated to MS Office 2007 and due to poor eyesight and also
disabbled I am having trouble finding the Help button and also how do change
from Blue web page.

Can anyone help please

Thanks

Ken
 
D

db´¯`·.. >

Not in the mood to split hairs. However
your actual words are:

"Of course, this is a bad suggestion for someone...."

---------

Frankly, describing me as testy is
not the word I would use. Annoyed
is a better one and disappointment is
another.

I am disappointed that you would rather spend a
great deal of time and my time
to create a big issue for something that is
elementary and otherwise mediocre.

I hope you don't think of this as another
"bad suggestion", however maybe you
should spend your time towards a tangible
solution and pursuant to the original
question rather than arguments and insults.

It is my hope you understand
that i didn't spend any time reading
your extended remarks and position because
my suggestion is based on
the options provided by Microsoft:

http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&q=windows+xp+screen+resolution


Sincerely, it is my hope that people may find
some value with your research on this
issue for many years to come and maybe
as a possible cure for insomnia.....



My, my, testy aren't we!

I am not the one being overly "verbiage" in this. I stated that your
suggestion was potentially wrong. Many posts to this and other newgroups
show people trying to clear up screens that are fuzzy because they changed
the resolution on their LCD display. The second post was to support my
original statements in response to your obvious incorrect suggestion,
depending on customer's equipment, that you defended in you second post.

While I don't know what you mean by "don't know your personality type" when
you said it other than I am someone trying to correct a potentially
incorrect statement made in a post. You, on the other hand take things too
personally. You have obviously not read my second post but that doesn't
matter. My position stands on the LCD resolution matter that I brought to
the attention of anyone reading the thread and I have posted supporting
documnents to that effect. I don't think anyone is an idiot until they
prove to me that they, in fact, are! If the shoe fits!




"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
the o.p.'s question
is simple.

further, if the o.p. is not happy with the
results of a different resolution
then the o.p. can select
whatever works best. my suggestion
is just that "a suggestion".

i don't appreciate wasting any time
reading your overstated verbiage
on this matter. however, what i have
read it is obvious that you think
the o.p. is somekind of an idiot and
you think that i / we don't know your
personality type.

however, i would suggest to you
that since you feel
so strongly about this issue,
send your hard work and research to
the microsoft programmers.

that way they can rewrite their
billion dollar software and remove
the custom resolution feature.

in conclusion if you have a
better suggestion then provide
one to the o.p, however, it is because
we understand your personality type that
the other readers know if you had a better
suggestion then you would have provided
one; even if it meant reiterating and
supporting another responders.

otherwise your argument with me is petty
and over compensating for an otherwise
simplistic question by the o.p..



Native is not the same as default. Native in this respect is what is
designed into a piece of hardware, that in this case may be changed, but
normally is not the desired functionality. Default is what the operator
sets in a device that the computer uses each time but it may reduce
functionality. The monitor manufacturer creates a native resolution of a
LCD monitor but the user sets the default resolution sent to the monitor by
using the video adapter. Yes, Windows is about customization but sometimes
the customization that is available in Windows doesn't give the results that
are desired.

Windows magnifier is NOT the same as changing the resolution of the monitor.
It still puts the "enlarged" image on the screen at the adapter specified
resolution but you lose part of the screen.

From this web site:
http://news.digitaltrends.com/featured_article6_page2.html

"When Bigger is Actually Smaller

While CRT displays can be adjusted to the user's preference in resolution
settings, LCDs only look good and operate properly in their native
resolution. This is the "sweet spot" of the LCD - the resolution it was
meant to be used at.
And this is where most LCD owners, especially those that purchase new
laptops, have the most issues with their displays. The problem is that the
higher the native resolution of an LCD more information can fit on the
screen, making text and graphics appear smaller. This is the converse of
what many laptop buyers want - most think that buying a larger screen with a
higher resolution will allow them to see their desktop as larger. This,
however, is not the case. A higher resolution means that there are more
pixels per inch, making everything smaller, but giving the desktop more
room."


From Dell's web site about half way down entitled "Choosing an LCD
Resolution"

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/vectors/en/2002_lcd?c=us&l=en&s=corp

"While the overall appearance of documents and photos is greatly improved as
the ppi increases, fonts, icons, and graphic elements that make up the user
interface become smaller. Text that is readable on a 15-inch XGA panel can
be more difficult to read on a 15-inch UXGA panel. When faced with this
issue on a UXGA panel, a user's first instinct is to enlarge the text by
changing the resolution from UXGA to a lower resolution such as XGA.
However, lowering the resolution of a UXGA panel reduces the crispness and
clarity of displayed text. This is because each LCD has an optimal "native
resolution" and LCDs do not scale between resolutions as cleanly as CRTs."

So, in other words, it isn't the driving hardware, video adapter or its
settings, but the receiving hardware, the monitor, in this case that can't
be changed cleanly, just as my original post stated.

You have given proper advice for a person for a person with a CRT monitor
but definitely improper advice for someone with a laptop or LCD monitor.

Had you read the OPs post you would have read that the OP "due to poor
eyesight" may not recognize that the monitor is actually distorted at a
non-native resolution.

One other thing, most people post in newsgroups in plain text not in HTML as
you are doing. There are newsreaders out there that won't read the HTML
that you are posting. When a responder clicks on "reply group" the HTML is
carried over to the replier's post and needs to be changed to plain text.
Yes, it is a feature of Windows to be able to post with OE in HTML to a
newsgroup but it isn't the proper thing to do.

"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
native is another word for
default. fortunately, windows
is about having the options
to customize.

if your rationale was valid,
then features like the windows
magnifier would be a
problem as you believe.

additionally, your rationale
doesn't work for high end
video boards with an
array of features that can
be used by desktops with
lcd or standard monitors.

fortunately and unlike yourself,
i am confident that the o.p.
recognizes distortions
and won't sit at a monitor looking
at a unreadiable display simply
because i made a suggestion
to use a windows feature that
provides the o.p. with a small
amount of time to view the new
resolution and keep it or revert back.

the suggestions i provided
are reasonable and within
the functionality of windows and
windows ready hardware.

but in fairness, the problem you
mention may be a result of not
having enough resources reserved
for video/display. but this is likely
an issue with configuration.

Of course, this is a bad suggestion for someone on a laptop or using an LCD
monitor on their desktop. LCD screens are best viewed at its native
resolution. If those resolutions are not used the monitor will become
distorted and in some cases unreadable.
"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
in addition to the other suggestions:

the overall resolution of the monitor
can be changed as well.

it you go to the "display control panel"
then under the settings tab you can
increase the entire viewing area by
selecting a "lower screen resolution".

the mouse can also be altered in
a beneficial manner as well via
the mouse control panel and selecting
a different mouse scheme

I have just updated to MS Office 2007 and due to poor eyesight and also
disabbled I am having trouble finding the Help button and also how do change
from Blue web page.

Can anyone help please

Thanks

Ken
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

I knew there was a reason I killfiled DB!

--
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Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, LVTravel asked:

| My, my, testy aren't we!
|
| I am not the one being overly "verbiage" in this. I stated that your
| suggestion was potentially wrong. Many posts to this and other
| newgroups show people trying to clear up screens that are fuzzy
| because they changed the resolution on their LCD display. The second
| post was to support my original statements in response to your
| obvious incorrect suggestion, depending on customer's equipment, that
| you defended in you second post.
|
| While I don't know what you mean by "don't know your personality
| type" when you said it other than I am someone trying to correct a
| potentially incorrect statement made in a post. You, on the other
| hand take things too personally. You have obviously not read my
| second post but that doesn't matter. My position stands on the LCD
| resolution matter that I brought to the attention of anyone reading
| the thread and I have posted supporting documnents to that effect. I
| don't think anyone is an idiot until they prove to me that they, in
| fact, are! If the shoe fits!
|
|
|
|
| "db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| | the o.p.'s question
| is simple.
|
| further, if the o.p. is not happy with the
| results of a different resolution
| then the o.p. can select
| whatever works best. my suggestion
| is just that "a suggestion".
|
| i don't appreciate wasting any time
| reading your overstated verbiage
| on this matter. however, what i have
| read it is obvious that you think
| the o.p. is somekind of an idiot and
| you think that i / we don't know your
| personality type.
|
| however, i would suggest to you
| that since you feel
| so strongly about this issue,
| send your hard work and research to
| the microsoft programmers.
|
| that way they can rewrite their
| billion dollar software and remove
| the custom resolution feature.
|
| in conclusion if you have a
| better suggestion then provide
| one to the o.p, however, it is because
| we understand your personality type that
| the other readers know if you had a better
| suggestion then you would have provided
| one; even if it meant reiterating and
| supporting another responders.
|
| otherwise your argument with me is petty
| and over compensating for an otherwise
| simplistic question by the o.p..
|
|
|
| | Native is not the same as default. Native in this respect is what is
| designed into a piece of hardware, that in this case may be changed,
| but normally is not the desired functionality. Default is what the
| operator sets in a device that the computer uses each time but it may
| reduce functionality. The monitor manufacturer creates a native
| resolution of a LCD monitor but the user sets the default resolution
| sent to the monitor by using the video adapter. Yes, Windows is
| about customization but sometimes the customization that is available
| in Windows doesn't give the results that are desired.
|
| Windows magnifier is NOT the same as changing the resolution of the
| monitor. It still puts the "enlarged" image on the screen at the
| adapter specified resolution but you lose part of the screen.
|
| From this web site:
| http://news.digitaltrends.com/featured_article6_page2.html
|
| "When Bigger is Actually Smaller
|
| While CRT displays can be adjusted to the user's preference in
| resolution settings, LCDs only look good and operate properly in
| their native resolution. This is the "sweet spot" of the LCD - the
| resolution it was meant to be used at.
| And this is where most LCD owners, especially those that purchase new
| laptops, have the most issues with their displays. The problem is
| that the higher the native resolution of an LCD more information can
| fit on the screen, making text and graphics appear smaller. This is
| the converse of what many laptop buyers want - most think that buying
| a larger screen with a higher resolution will allow them to see their
| desktop as larger. This, however, is not the case. A higher
| resolution means that there are more pixels per inch, making
| everything smaller, but giving the desktop more room."
|
|
| From Dell's web site about half way down entitled "Choosing an LCD
| Resolution"
|
| http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/vectors/en/2002_lcd?c=us&l=en&s=corp
|
| "While the overall appearance of documents and photos is greatly
| improved as the ppi increases, fonts, icons, and graphic elements
| that make up the user interface become smaller. Text that is readable
| on a 15-inch XGA panel can be more difficult to read on a 15-inch
| UXGA panel. When faced with this issue on a UXGA panel, a user's
| first instinct is to enlarge the text by changing the resolution from
| UXGA to a lower resolution such as XGA. However, lowering the
| resolution of a UXGA panel reduces the crispness and clarity of
| displayed text. This is because each LCD has an optimal "native
| resolution" and LCDs do not scale between resolutions as cleanly as
| CRTs."
|
| So, in other words, it isn't the driving hardware, video adapter or
| its settings, but the receiving hardware, the monitor, in this case
| that can't be changed cleanly, just as my original post stated.
|
| You have given proper advice for a person for a person with a CRT
| monitor but definitely improper advice for someone with a laptop or
| LCD monitor.
|
| Had you read the OPs post you would have read that the OP "due to poor
| eyesight" may not recognize that the monitor is actually distorted at
| a non-native resolution.
|
| One other thing, most people post in newsgroups in plain text not in
| HTML as you are doing. There are newsreaders out there that won't
| read the HTML that you are posting. When a responder clicks on
| "reply group" the HTML is carried over to the replier's post and
| needs to be changed to plain text. Yes, it is a feature of Windows to
| be able to post with OE in HTML to a newsgroup but it isn't the
| proper thing to do.
|
| "db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| | native is another word for
| default. fortunately, windows
| is about having the options
| to customize.
|
| if your rationale was valid,
| then features like the windows
| magnifier would be a
| problem as you believe.
|
| additionally, your rationale
| doesn't work for high end
| video boards with an
| array of features that can
| be used by desktops with
| lcd or standard monitors.
|
| fortunately and unlike yourself,
| i am confident that the o.p.
| recognizes distortions
| and won't sit at a monitor looking
| at a unreadiable display simply
| because i made a suggestion
| to use a windows feature that
| provides the o.p. with a small
| amount of time to view the new
| resolution and keep it or revert back.
|
| the suggestions i provided
| are reasonable and within
| the functionality of windows and
| windows ready hardware.
|
| but in fairness, the problem you
| mention may be a result of not
| having enough resources reserved
| for video/display. but this is likely
| an issue with configuration.
|
| | Of course, this is a bad suggestion for someone on a laptop or using
| an LCD monitor on their desktop. LCD screens are best viewed at its
| native resolution. If those resolutions are not used the monitor
| will become distorted and in some cases unreadable.
| "db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| | in addition to the other suggestions:
|
| the overall resolution of the monitor
| can be changed as well.
|
| it you go to the "display control panel"
| then under the settings tab you can
| increase the entire viewing area by
| selecting a "lower screen resolution".
|
| the mouse can also be altered in
| a beneficial manner as well via
| the mouse control panel and selecting
| a different mouse scheme
|
| | I have just updated to MS Office 2007 and due to poor eyesight and
| also disabbled I am having trouble finding the Help button and also
| how do change from Blue web page.
|
| Can anyone help please
|
| Thanks
|
| Ken
 
D

db´¯`·.. >

obviously, there is an issue
with your reasoning, like
providing this unwarranted
response.....


"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
I knew there was a reason I killfiled DB!

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, LVTravel asked:

| My, my, testy aren't we!
|
| I am not the one being overly "verbiage" in this. I stated that your
| suggestion was potentially wrong. Many posts to this and other
| newgroups show people trying to clear up screens that are fuzzy
| because they changed the resolution on their LCD display. The second
| post was to support my original statements in response to your
| obvious incorrect suggestion, depending on customer's equipment, that
| you defended in you second post.
|
| While I don't know what you mean by "don't know your personality
| type" when you said it other than I am someone trying to correct a
| potentially incorrect statement made in a post. You, on the other
| hand take things too personally. You have obviously not read my
| second post but that doesn't matter. My position stands on the LCD
| resolution matter that I brought to the attention of anyone reading
| the thread and I have posted supporting documnents to that effect. I
| don't think anyone is an idiot until they prove to me that they, in
| fact, are! If the shoe fits!
|
|
|
|
| "db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| | the o.p.'s question
| is simple.
|
| further, if the o.p. is not happy with the
| results of a different resolution
| then the o.p. can select
| whatever works best. my suggestion
| is just that "a suggestion".
|
| i don't appreciate wasting any time
| reading your overstated verbiage
| on this matter. however, what i have
| read it is obvious that you think
| the o.p. is somekind of an idiot and
| you think that i / we don't know your
| personality type.
|
| however, i would suggest to you
| that since you feel
| so strongly about this issue,
| send your hard work and research to
| the microsoft programmers.
|
| that way they can rewrite their
| billion dollar software and remove
| the custom resolution feature.
|
| in conclusion if you have a
| better suggestion then provide
| one to the o.p, however, it is because
| we understand your personality type that
| the other readers know if you had a better
| suggestion then you would have provided
| one; even if it meant reiterating and
| supporting another responders.
|
| otherwise your argument with me is petty
| and over compensating for an otherwise
| simplistic question by the o.p..
|
|
|
| | Native is not the same as default. Native in this respect is what is
| designed into a piece of hardware, that in this case may be changed,
| but normally is not the desired functionality. Default is what the
| operator sets in a device that the computer uses each time but it may
| reduce functionality. The monitor manufacturer creates a native
| resolution of a LCD monitor but the user sets the default resolution
| sent to the monitor by using the video adapter. Yes, Windows is
| about customization but sometimes the customization that is available
| in Windows doesn't give the results that are desired.
|
| Windows magnifier is NOT the same as changing the resolution of the
| monitor. It still puts the "enlarged" image on the screen at the
| adapter specified resolution but you lose part of the screen.
|
| From this web site:
| http://news.digitaltrends.com/featured_article6_page2.html
|
| "When Bigger is Actually Smaller
|
| While CRT displays can be adjusted to the user's preference in
| resolution settings, LCDs only look good and operate properly in
| their native resolution. This is the "sweet spot" of the LCD - the
| resolution it was meant to be used at.
| And this is where most LCD owners, especially those that purchase new
| laptops, have the most issues with their displays. The problem is
| that the higher the native resolution of an LCD more information can
| fit on the screen, making text and graphics appear smaller. This is
| the converse of what many laptop buyers want - most think that buying
| a larger screen with a higher resolution will allow them to see their
| desktop as larger. This, however, is not the case. A higher
| resolution means that there are more pixels per inch, making
| everything smaller, but giving the desktop more room."
|
|
| From Dell's web site about half way down entitled "Choosing an LCD
| Resolution"
|
|
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/vectors/en/2002_lcd?c=us&l=en&s=corp
|
| "While the overall appearance of documents and photos is greatly
| improved as the ppi increases, fonts, icons, and graphic elements
| that make up the user interface become smaller. Text that is readable
| on a 15-inch XGA panel can be more difficult to read on a 15-inch
| UXGA panel. When faced with this issue on a UXGA panel, a user's
| first instinct is to enlarge the text by changing the resolution from
| UXGA to a lower resolution such as XGA. However, lowering the
| resolution of a UXGA panel reduces the crispness and clarity of
| displayed text. This is because each LCD has an optimal "native
| resolution" and LCDs do not scale between resolutions as cleanly as
| CRTs."
|
| So, in other words, it isn't the driving hardware, video adapter or
| its settings, but the receiving hardware, the monitor, in this case
| that can't be changed cleanly, just as my original post stated.
|
| You have given proper advice for a person for a person with a CRT
| monitor but definitely improper advice for someone with a laptop or
| LCD monitor.
|
| Had you read the OPs post you would have read that the OP "due to poor
| eyesight" may not recognize that the monitor is actually distorted at
| a non-native resolution.
|
| One other thing, most people post in newsgroups in plain text not in
| HTML as you are doing. There are newsreaders out there that won't
| read the HTML that you are posting. When a responder clicks on
| "reply group" the HTML is carried over to the replier's post and
| needs to be changed to plain text. Yes, it is a feature of Windows to
| be able to post with OE in HTML to a newsgroup but it isn't the
| proper thing to do.
|
| "db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| | native is another word for
| default. fortunately, windows
| is about having the options
| to customize.
|
| if your rationale was valid,
| then features like the windows
| magnifier would be a
| problem as you believe.
|
| additionally, your rationale
| doesn't work for high end
| video boards with an
| array of features that can
| be used by desktops with
| lcd or standard monitors.
|
| fortunately and unlike yourself,
| i am confident that the o.p.
| recognizes distortions
| and won't sit at a monitor looking
| at a unreadiable display simply
| because i made a suggestion
| to use a windows feature that
| provides the o.p. with a small
| amount of time to view the new
| resolution and keep it or revert back.
|
| the suggestions i provided
| are reasonable and within
| the functionality of windows and
| windows ready hardware.
|
| but in fairness, the problem you
| mention may be a result of not
| having enough resources reserved
| for video/display. but this is likely
| an issue with configuration.
|
| | Of course, this is a bad suggestion for someone on a laptop or using
| an LCD monitor on their desktop. LCD screens are best viewed at its
| native resolution. If those resolutions are not used the monitor
| will become distorted and in some cases unreadable.
| "db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| | in addition to the other suggestions:
|
| the overall resolution of the monitor
| can be changed as well.
|
| it you go to the "display control panel"
| then under the settings tab you can
| increase the entire viewing area by
| selecting a "lower screen resolution".
|
| the mouse can also be altered in
| a beneficial manner as well via
| the mouse control panel and selecting
| a different mouse scheme
|
| | I have just updated to MS Office 2007 and due to poor eyesight and
| also disabbled I am having trouble finding the Help button and also
| how do change from Blue web page.
|
| Can anyone help please
|
| Thanks
|
| Ken
 
L

LVTravel

Man, I really love it when someone posts a URL that actually shows that I
was right in the first place. From your URL you posted "For higher
legibility of documents on screen, you can adjust the screen resolution of
your monitor (for monitors that support more than one screen resolution
option)." A LCD display will not support more than one screen (native)
resolution clearly.

And while not splitting hairs I don't like to be quoted out of context.
What I acutually said was "Of course, this is a bad suggestion for someone
on a laptop or using an LCD monitor on their desktop." I have also said in
a later post that your suggestion would be proper for a CRT monitor. "You
have given proper advice for a person with a CRT monitor but definitely
improper advice for someone with a laptop or LCD monitor."

Have fun. Good by and good riddance.


"db´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`"
<databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
Not in the mood to split hairs. However
your actual words are:

"Of course, this is a bad suggestion for someone...."

---------

Frankly, describing me as testy is
not the word I would use. Annoyed
is a better one and disappointment is
another.

I am disappointed that you would rather spend a
great deal of time and my time
to create a big issue for something that is
elementary and otherwise mediocre.

I hope you don't think of this as another
"bad suggestion", however maybe you
should spend your time towards a tangible
solution and pursuant to the original
question rather than arguments and insults.

It is my hope you understand
that i didn't spend any time reading
your extended remarks and position because
my suggestion is based on
the options provided by Microsoft:

http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&q=windows+xp+screen+resolution


Sincerely, it is my hope that people may find
some value with your research on this
issue for many years to come and maybe
as a possible cure for insomnia.....



My, my, testy aren't we!

I am not the one being overly "verbiage" in this. I stated that your
suggestion was potentially wrong. Many posts to this and other newgroups
show people trying to clear up screens that are fuzzy because they changed
the resolution on their LCD display. The second post was to support my
original statements in response to your obvious incorrect suggestion,
depending on customer's equipment, that you defended in you second post.

While I don't know what you mean by "don't know your personality type" when
you said it other than I am someone trying to correct a potentially
incorrect statement made in a post. You, on the other hand take things too
personally. You have obviously not read my second post but that doesn't
matter. My position stands on the LCD resolution matter that I brought to
the attention of anyone reading the thread and I have posted supporting
documnents to that effect. I don't think anyone is an idiot until they
prove to me that they, in fact, are! If the shoe fits!




"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
the o.p.'s question
is simple.

further, if the o.p. is not happy with the
results of a different resolution
then the o.p. can select
whatever works best. my suggestion
is just that "a suggestion".

i don't appreciate wasting any time
reading your overstated verbiage
on this matter. however, what i have
read it is obvious that you think
the o.p. is somekind of an idiot and
you think that i / we don't know your
personality type.

however, i would suggest to you
that since you feel
so strongly about this issue,
send your hard work and research to
the microsoft programmers.

that way they can rewrite their
billion dollar software and remove
the custom resolution feature.

in conclusion if you have a
better suggestion then provide
one to the o.p, however, it is because
we understand your personality type that
the other readers know if you had a better
suggestion then you would have provided
one; even if it meant reiterating and
supporting another responders.

otherwise your argument with me is petty
and over compensating for an otherwise
simplistic question by the o.p..



Native is not the same as default. Native in this respect is what is
designed into a piece of hardware, that in this case may be changed, but
normally is not the desired functionality. Default is what the operator
sets in a device that the computer uses each time but it may reduce
functionality. The monitor manufacturer creates a native resolution of a
LCD monitor but the user sets the default resolution sent to the monitor by
using the video adapter. Yes, Windows is about customization but sometimes
the customization that is available in Windows doesn't give the results that
are desired.

Windows magnifier is NOT the same as changing the resolution of the monitor.
It still puts the "enlarged" image on the screen at the adapter specified
resolution but you lose part of the screen.

From this web site:
http://news.digitaltrends.com/featured_article6_page2.html

"When Bigger is Actually Smaller

While CRT displays can be adjusted to the user's preference in resolution
settings, LCDs only look good and operate properly in their native
resolution. This is the "sweet spot" of the LCD - the resolution it was
meant to be used at.
And this is where most LCD owners, especially those that purchase new
laptops, have the most issues with their displays. The problem is that the
higher the native resolution of an LCD more information can fit on the
screen, making text and graphics appear smaller. This is the converse of
what many laptop buyers want - most think that buying a larger screen with a
higher resolution will allow them to see their desktop as larger. This,
however, is not the case. A higher resolution means that there are more
pixels per inch, making everything smaller, but giving the desktop more
room."


From Dell's web site about half way down entitled "Choosing an LCD
Resolution"

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/vectors/en/2002_lcd?c=us&l=en&s=corp

"While the overall appearance of documents and photos is greatly improved as
the ppi increases, fonts, icons, and graphic elements that make up the user
interface become smaller. Text that is readable on a 15-inch XGA panel can
be more difficult to read on a 15-inch UXGA panel. When faced with this
issue on a UXGA panel, a user's first instinct is to enlarge the text by
changing the resolution from UXGA to a lower resolution such as XGA.
However, lowering the resolution of a UXGA panel reduces the crispness and
clarity of displayed text. This is because each LCD has an optimal "native
resolution" and LCDs do not scale between resolutions as cleanly as CRTs."

So, in other words, it isn't the driving hardware, video adapter or its
settings, but the receiving hardware, the monitor, in this case that can't
be changed cleanly, just as my original post stated.

You have given proper advice for a person for a person with a CRT monitor
but definitely improper advice for someone with a laptop or LCD monitor.

Had you read the OPs post you would have read that the OP "due to poor
eyesight" may not recognize that the monitor is actually distorted at a
non-native resolution.

One other thing, most people post in newsgroups in plain text not in HTML as
you are doing. There are newsreaders out there that won't read the HTML
that you are posting. When a responder clicks on "reply group" the HTML is
carried over to the replier's post and needs to be changed to plain text.
Yes, it is a feature of Windows to be able to post with OE in HTML to a
newsgroup but it isn't the proper thing to do.

"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
native is another word for
default. fortunately, windows
is about having the options
to customize.

if your rationale was valid,
then features like the windows
magnifier would be a
problem as you believe.

additionally, your rationale
doesn't work for high end
video boards with an
array of features that can
be used by desktops with
lcd or standard monitors.

fortunately and unlike yourself,
i am confident that the o.p.
recognizes distortions
and won't sit at a monitor looking
at a unreadiable display simply
because i made a suggestion
to use a windows feature that
provides the o.p. with a small
amount of time to view the new
resolution and keep it or revert back.

the suggestions i provided
are reasonable and within
the functionality of windows and
windows ready hardware.

but in fairness, the problem you
mention may be a result of not
having enough resources reserved
for video/display. but this is likely
an issue with configuration.

Of course, this is a bad suggestion for someone on a laptop or using an LCD
monitor on their desktop. LCD screens are best viewed at its native
resolution. If those resolutions are not used the monitor will become
distorted and in some cases unreadable.
"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
in addition to the other suggestions:

the overall resolution of the monitor
can be changed as well.

it you go to the "display control panel"
then under the settings tab you can
increase the entire viewing area by
selecting a "lower screen resolution".

the mouse can also be altered in
a beneficial manner as well via
the mouse control panel and selecting
a different mouse scheme

I have just updated to MS Office 2007 and due to poor eyesight and also
disabbled I am having trouble finding the Help button and also how do change
from Blue web page.

Can anyone help please

Thanks

Ken
 
D

db´¯`·.. >

some equipment have issues
with configuration, as i eluded to.

however it is understood that these are equipment
that have only one state to default to
that cannot be changed by
the user or by windows. there was a time
long long ago, where lcd panels were created
with only one default state.

my lcd panels both on the
desktop and laptops accommodate
a varying array of resolutions with
a high degree of clarity for the lower
resolution settings, upside down,
negatives, etc.. I am not presuming
that the o.p. has similar equipement nor
should you presume the o.p. has
incompatiable equipment as well.

what is a known fact that windows
provides a simple option to modify
the screen resolution.

to reiterate, if my suggestion or the
option provided by windows does
not accomadate the o.p. then the
o.p. has the option to simply revert
back to a former state.

there is nothing to loose by trying
and much to gain if the option accomadates
the o.p. and resolves the issue at hand.

this should not be a big deal and did not
require a manuscript or thesis or
for this to be worldwide research project
unless the bugaboo was beneficial to you.

however, i think you simply like being argumentative
and i fail to see your expenditure of much time and
effort on a itty-bitty issue for trying out
a custom screen resolution provide by windows.

on the other hand maybe you should research what
constitutes a waste of time.

It's easier to condemn, destroy, insult.
And I refer to these unbeneficial contributors as
"trolling antagonists".

My initial research shows that i may
have invented this new description
and i can thank those that step out
of the shadows to make unbeneficial
comments.

i don't believe you are a "trolling
antagonist" because in one respect
i admire your dedication for researching
this simplistic issue. I hope that one
day you will apply this to gene therapy or
towards a solution directed to the o.p. and
for helping us to further expand our knowledge.


the question here is your judgment
to "argue with me" rather than
"providing a solution to the o.p."

for me a beneficial contributor is dedicated
to solving a problem or at least providing
the compassion for trying. Unfortunately,
i cannot say that which one applies to you?

my initial suggestion still stands
regardless of your own deficiencies
or presumptions.

not because i am being difficult or unyielding
but due to the fact that your arguments simply do not
apply to my own equipment and experience.


for me, i prefer to provide a reasonable solution whenever
possible. if i cannot then i simply abstain
and hope that i will learn from the other responses.

i look forward to reviewing your solutions in
the future but will simply ignore any of your
arguments whether they be made to me or
to others who are trying to help.

I hope you might do the same.
 
D

db´¯`·.. >

ps: i forgot to mention my
appreciation that you did
not resort to sarcasim
or name calling.

inspite of the differences in
our opinons, your argument(s)
and zeal were earnest....

for what's it worth,
you did a good job trying
to prove your point.
 
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