OneNote 2007 Beta 2 - Send to Microsoft OneNote Configuration Ques

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OneDave

Thanks for the heads up, Patrick. I'm impressed that MS has such a
user-oriented suggestion interface (most software vendors don't!) as well as
such intelligent and caring experts as yourself. I also love OneNote and
appreciate its features, with merely a few exceptions. That being said, I'm
disappointed in the area of page importing to ON and printing to letter-sized
pages from ON.

Perhaps computer performance is an issue. I use a maxed-out Motion
Computing LE-1600 for class notes. With ON 2007, when I try to scroll
through a 70-page handout page that contains lots of color and graphics
(e.g., PowerPoint slides made the originals, which were distributed by the
professor as PDF), the scroll process stutters. That's not a good thing when
I am trying to take notes in real time during the lecture. Perhaps if it
didn't do that, I would be happier with compound pages for the handouts.

The biggest aspects of having a subpage-per-paper page for me is when I
print stuff out and when I re-arrange the order of those pages. In my ideal
world, I would import a document from another source into ON and the image on
the ON page would be the same size as the original (In ON 2007 Beta, that is
not the case) so I wouldn't have to mess with re-sizing the image (which is
much more difficult if I have already made some annotations--it even affacts
page images that fall below the image I'm re-sizing on a compound ON page).
If I needed to drag & drop pages to change their order, or plop them into
another section, it would be easy to find them and move them. Instead, I
have to find and select the page image I want within a long ON page first.
If I annotated pages in the document, I would like to print them or export to
PDF and have the original document reproduced exactly, with the inclusion of
my annotations. In essence, go from original document back to the same
document, unchanged by ON. It seems that less regard to printing and paper
pages has been given to this latest version of ON than in the 2003 version.

Another example of being somewhat insensitive to the needs of printing is
the lack of a ON template that is 8.5 inches wide, but unlimited in length.
When I take handwritten notes in ON, I'd like to know when I am approaching
my 'paper' right margin. Again, this facilitates printing later onto
letter-sized paper. Without such right margin, I write notes that are wider
than the letter-sized paper. (Especially since I vary zoom views while
taking notes.) Sure, ON will print the page by scaling its width down to
smaller print, but then the non-wide parts of the (long) page are scaled
down, too. When I print my notes, they don't look like I took them on a
letter-sized page. My way around this is to use a letter-sized template and
create lots of subpages or new ON pages to continue notes that are longer
than an 11-inch page. I could also use print preview and then go back into
the notes page and edit the length of wide lines, but who wants to do that
just to print? It would be good to be able to emulate a paper tablet with
handwritten notes and then have them print out as if I took the notes on a
paper tablet.

As much as keeping information in cyberspace is an attractive ideal, we do
have to go to hard copy still.

Keep up the good work on OneNote. It's a great product. I'll review the
blogs you suggested, too.
 
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Patrick Schmid

First of all, I don't work for Microsoft :) I am a Ph.D. student in
Computer Science. The only two affiliations I have with Microsoft is
that I buy and use their software and that I am in the private Office
2007 beta.
Second, I hope that you'll take this post and copy & paste it into your
appropriate Connect feedback. It is very well written and summarized
very well the issues that have been raised here about printing documents
to ON 2007 over the past weeks.
Third, instead of scrolling, use your tablet pen and click and hold the
little slider on the scroll bar, then drag it up or down. I have found
that way of navigating in a page that contains a longer document to be
more efficient than clicking anywhere on the scroll bar or using the
little arrows.
Fourth, you could figure out what the optimum number of pages is for
your tablet to not stutter. Let's say it's 10. Then you simply could
print 10 pages at a time to ON and this way get a better scrolling
performance with only a little bit of extra work.
Fifth, the OneNote team is able to provide the Connect feedback system
as the customer base for ON is rather small compared to the Office
heavy-weights (Access, Excel, PPT, Outlook, Word). You don't see those
heavy-weights on Connect, because MS would have to employ several people
to just read the feedback submitted on Connect. With ON, the team can
use its existing resources and still manage to read and respond to
Connect feedback.
Sixth, the ON team had planned to improve printing from ON significantly
in 2007. But then they figured out that a lot of users were actually
happy with the existing printing abilities and decided to rather invest
resources into things like tables, drawing tools, etc. I gave them a
longer list of what I think is wrong with printing several months ago,
but they weren't fixed (except a few bugs) as they had made the decision
early on not to do much about printing in 2007.

Patrick Schmid
 
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OneDave

Thanks, Patrick. I read your nice blog after I wrote my last, so I learned
there that you were not MS. Good luck with your Ph.D. program!

I sent in some Connect comments for ON today & I pasted the discussion
summary as you suggested.
 
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Rainald Taesler

OneDave in (e-mail address removed) shared
these words of wisdom:
I think the importing of one page/subpage per original page is a
good
feature and I will miss it. I do hope it comes back. Maybe it is
just students, but I suspect anyone who deals with imported
documents
would want the option.

Oh no. It's not only students. It's this professor too ;-) :)

Honestly speaking:
As to my experience the current way of importing things to one page
and not providing any pagebreak feature makes working with ON
unnessarily complicated.

I do not think that creating a subpage for each imported page of a
longer "document" would be too good. In so far I understand that
things were changed.
But most urgently a way to (a) seperate pages logically (b) by this
enable printing of parts and (c) proper navigation inside a page would
be needed.

I'll check if I can find your posting in Conncet and add my thoughts
there.

Rainald
 
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Rainald Taesler

Patrick Schmid in (e-mail address removed) shared these
words of wisdom:
I actually still haven't been able to figure out how I would use
that
feature in my daily ON usage.

Unfortuanely I've figured it out pretty soon :-( :-(
Meanwhile I have given up the original idea of collecting documents in
ON except for papers with a few pages. Too sad ...

As said in another thread this week I will stick with keeping papers
in PDF files and just put a link in ON.
But what I lerant from using ON is to make intesive use of the Acrobat
binder.
A workaround, for sure.
The papers and stuff I generally print
to OneNote are around 30 pages max, and I am perfectly happy to have
them in one ON page without any subpages.

For me even a 30 pages document is ways too much.
I'll leave out the performance issue here.
There's enough other reasons.

Not to be misunderstood: I do not plea for formal "sub-pages".
But what urgently be needed in ON would be

a) Pagebreaks corresponding to the deafult paer size of the printer,
b) possibility to select for printing,
c) navigation inside a ON page.

Unless thes features will be available, IMO using ON for storing
papers can not be reagred as a true alternative to using Acrobat.

Rainald
 
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OneDave

UPDATE: Microsoft stated that these features of OneNote 2003 were NOT carried
over to the 2007 version due to development priorities and user patterns.
One the list for future considerations.
 
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jsprague

After having to use OneNote this school year with long documents printed on
one long page, I found that it would actually be more helpful to have one
long page with the page breaks or a way to jump to page 117 without having to
scroll there, like you suggested. I retract my prior statements about
separate subpages for every page and tend to agree with you now.
 
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Patrick Schmid [MVP]

I'd encourage you to submit this suggestion via
http://connect.microsoft.com/onenote.
It would be indeed very helpful to be able to go through long documents
faster and more precisely than with the current scrollbar.

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Rainald Taesler

I'd encourage you to submit this suggestion via
http://connect.microsoft.com/onenote.
It would be indeed very helpful to be able to go through long
documents faster and more precisely than with the current scrollbar.

Only too true !!!
IMHO "logical" pages would be needed (formatted to a certain physical
page [printer page]) and a navigation tool like f.e. Acrobat Reader
has it in the status bar.

Rainald
 
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Rainald Taesler

UPDATE: Microsoft stated that these features of OneNote 2003 were
NOT carried
over to the 2007 version due to development priorities and user
patterns.
One the list for future considerations.

As Patrick already said:
Post this in "Connect".

And pls let us know when you did that and post the URL.
I would like to jump in with quite some comments.

IMO the page concept just is not yet mature enough for being up to the
needs.
We most probably won't see any changes in the coming "final" but there
will be future versions to come.

TIA
Rainald
 

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